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Stevie
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posted September 14, 2014 09:46 AM |
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Fury 31% !!
The dream!
The feels!
Let's do this, lads!!
Vote Fury! Vote Elven! 
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artu
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My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted September 14, 2014 09:49 AM |
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JollyJoker said:
Where?
It's mostly associated with being sinister and deceitful around here, if you call someone a snake, it definitely does not mean he is wise.
But most of us live under the Abrahamic cultural heritage regarding that.
Many other symbolizations existed:
Caduceus
Ouroboros
China
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VOKIALBG
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posted September 14, 2014 10:00 AM |
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Edited by VOKIALBG at 10:02, 14 Sep 2014.
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Meh... Why all want to turn HoMM to even cheaper wow copy... dont bring stags in 
artu said:
JollyJoker said:
Where?
It's mostly associated with being sinister and deceitful around here, if you call someone a snake, it definitely does not mean he is wise.
But most of us live under the Abrahamic cultural heritage regarding that.
Many other symbolizations existed:
Caduceus
Ouroboros
China
Also here. In the old bulgarian myths. And in our culture if you see a snake you must kill it, for its evil being. Calling some here a snake is a nasty remark
... and the whole Christianity. And tones of everywhere. Use google for more and more and more and more...
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Avonu
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Embracing light and darkness
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posted September 14, 2014 10:07 AM |
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VOKIALBG said:
Meh... Why all want to turn HoMM to even cheaper wow copy... dont bring stags in
If you played Clash of Heroes you probably like them. There were very nice units with useful abilities.
Besides a stag usually is associated with forests, even in some coat of arms.
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"Details are everything."
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artu
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My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted September 14, 2014 10:09 AM |
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Well, I guess it's a medallion with two sides. Since, snakes are really sneaky and some poisonous, they didn't have a good reputation among common folk. Yet, ancient healers and medicine men constantly tried using their venom to produce antidotes, so, they are also associated with healing and wisdom in an alchemistic sense. The unique anatomy must have also triggered a lot of imagination.
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ChrisD1
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posted September 14, 2014 10:18 AM |
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odium said:
Dryad vs Pixie: they will probably try to make them different but they won't be different enough. In the end, everyone has in mind the same kind of concept: beautiful female creature with magical/fantastic powers. They can embellish the design a bit to make them as different as possible but at their core these two are the same type of creature. Not to mention that there will be the problem of consistency with respect to H5...
Regarding Dryads and Treants, I never said that Dryads won't do anything else besides complementing Treants. But it seems that their use on the battlefield is partially connected (it can be a small amount or big enough amount, we will hopefully find out before the voting ends) to the existence of the Treant in the lineup. Please note that in the 2 lineups in which we have the Treant as champion, the Dryad is also included. Only in the lineup where the Treant is elite, the Dryad has been replaced with the Pixie.
Now, on your side, why do you assume that "Earth's Perfect Balance" would not be capable of providing an offensive feel?
you really can't know how similar or not dryads and pixies are going to be. they only have in common that they are both females. so what? can't a line up have two female units without being the same?
as for the use of he dryad with the treant you said yourseelf she is partially connected. meaning she doesn't have to be. you can partially connect your archers with some other troop for a combo but that does not mean your archers are stuck with that other unit.
as for earth's perfect balance i never said that it lacks offensive potential. but EVERYONE is going on about offense but they keep ignoring the offensive option completely.
and phoenixes will have a paper defense. and that's why they get reborn. i don't want that for my champion.
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VOKIALBG
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posted September 14, 2014 10:20 AM |
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Edited by VOKIALBG at 10:21, 14 Sep 2014.
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Avonu said:
VOKIALBG said:
Meh... Why all want to turn HoMM to even cheaper wow copy... dont bring stags in
If you played Clash of Heroes you probably like them. There were very nice units with useful abilities.
Besides a stag usually is associated with forests, even in some coat of arms.
Stags have nothing to do with the unique HoMM. We have unicorns. WoW have this strong stag-elves connection already. Lets not bring it here.
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Avonu
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posted September 14, 2014 10:21 AM |
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ChrisD1 said:
and phoenixes will have a paper defense. and that's why they get reborn. i don't want that for my champion.
No problem, just pick MiniSylanna building when you choose a champion. Green Dragon is in all line-ups. 
VOKIALBG said:
Stags have nothing to do with the unique HoMM. We have unicorns. WoW have this strong stag-elves connection already. Lets not bring it here.
Like any fairy tale or fantasy word didn't use Unicorn as forest faction creature.
Unicorns are associated with HoMM Forest faction since HoMM1 but it's become a little boring.
Besides it's not about Unicorn/Deer - it's about all line-up and for me 1st choice is seems to be the most boring one. Two others seem to have more battle potential.
Nevertheless all line-ups are not perfect as I would see Unicorns/Deers combine with Phoenixes and Treants as champions and I would swap Druids for Blade Dancers.
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VOKIALBG
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posted September 14, 2014 10:24 AM |
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Avonu said:
VOKIALBG said:
Stags have nothing to do with the unique HoMM. We have unicorns. WoW have this strong stag-elves connection already. Lets not bring it here.
Like any fairy tale or fantasy word didn't use Unicorn as forest faction creature.
Yep. Not this way, and not like this in a PC game. Stags are already reserved. Why must we turn the HoMM elves on 100% wow copy?!
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JollyJoker
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posted September 14, 2014 10:32 AM |
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VOKIALBG said:
Meh... Why all want to turn HoMM to even cheaper wow copy... dont bring stags in
artu said:
JollyJoker said:
Where?
It's mostly associated with being sinister and deceitful around here, if you call someone a snake, it definitely does not mean he is wise.
But most of us live under the Abrahamic cultural heritage regarding that.
Many other symbolizations existed:
Caduceus
Ouroboros
China
Also here. In the old bulgarian myths. And in our culture if you see a snake you must kill it, for its evil being. Calling some here a snake is a nasty remark
... and the whole Christianity. And tones of everywhere. Use google for more and more and more and more...
If you wpuld actually read these thingss, you'd see that Caduceus is SERPENT, Ouroboros is SERPENT, and the chinese year of the snake is not evil: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snakes_in_Chinese_mythology.
Also, Christian stuff - as I already said - is also the SERPENT. The bad guy in the Bible isn't the snake, but the serpent.
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Avonu
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posted September 14, 2014 10:36 AM |
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Excuse me, but what is diference between a serpent and a snake?
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Dave_Jame
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posted September 14, 2014 10:36 AM |
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I understand VokialBG on this topic. I like the idea of stag riding elf, but the truth is, that this particular image has been used a lot in the last decade, no only in game, but in fantasy generaly. Unicorns on the other hand were more used in pop culture rather then in fantasy.
From all the factions, elves (Both of them) have the strongest WH/WoW feeling, we should think about making them more unique rather then jut fallowing to current trend
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RMZ1989
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posted September 14, 2014 10:37 AM |
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VOKIALBG said:
Avonu said:
VOKIALBG said:
Stags have nothing to do with the unique HoMM. We have unicorns. WoW have this strong stag-elves connection already. Lets not bring it here.
Like any fairy tale or fantasy word didn't use Unicorn as forest faction creature.
Yep. Not this way, and not like this in a PC game. Stags are already reserved. Why must we turn the HoMM elves on 100% wow copy?!
Look, I am not for Stags either but you are constantly saying "Heroes are turning into WoW copy more and more" while whole Heroes is copy of something else.
Even in Heroes 5 we had Dark Elves and Liches from Warhammer, "Ents" etc. Gods in Ashan are huge Dragons that resembles Dragon-aspects from Warcraft a lot. Concept of originality in Ashan is almost non-existent.
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Stevie
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posted September 14, 2014 10:39 AM |
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Avonu said:
Excuse me, but what is diference between a serpent and a snake?
Snake's from old English, serpent's from French.
And wiki said: "Snakes are elongated, legless, carnivorous reptiles of the suborder Serpentes that can be distinguished from legless lizards by their lack of eyelids and external ears."
So either way, JJ's wrong. What a surprise.
VOTE FURY!
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted September 14, 2014 10:46 AM |
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Edited by Galaad at 10:49, 14 Sep 2014.
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Just go through the wiki a bit more and you'll see he's not.
Fury, I'd need to see units design, at least deer and bladedancer.
VOKIALBG said:
Why must we turn the HoMM elves on 100% wow copy?!
Unfortunately that's established since H5 
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Avonu
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posted September 14, 2014 10:50 AM |
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Galaad said:
VOKIALBG said:
Why must we turn the HoMM elves on 100% wow copy?!
Unfortunately that's established since H5
You are wrong... H5's Sylvan was Warhammer Wood Elves copy.
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"Details are everything."
Pipiru piru piru pipiru pi!
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Galaad
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Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted September 14, 2014 10:51 AM |
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patato potato
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Stevie
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted September 14, 2014 10:57 AM |
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I don't understand why Moon Doe/Sun Deer would be WoW. I didn't see Nelfs or Belfs riding deer or anything like that. They're either neutrals or critters. But if that's accepted as an argument, then wolves, bears and all other animals are all WoW. I don't think I can accept that argument.
And I find it quite ridiculous to fight over deer when they're real life animals. I don't really understand, did Blizzard acquire the intellectual rights for deer?
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ChrisD1
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posted September 14, 2014 10:59 AM |
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Avonu said:
ChrisD1 said:
and phoenixes will have a paper defense. and that's why they get reborn. i don't want that for my champion.
No problem, just pick MiniSylanna building when you choose a champion. Green Dragon is in all line-ups.
then why pick earth's balance for offense when you have sylanna's fury? you can utilise the green dragon there. AND you will have the option to give a taste of defense with treants if you ever want to do that.
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artu
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Undefeatable Hero
My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted September 14, 2014 11:05 AM |
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The nuance between serpent and snake is not as standard as you assume JJ: Searching "snake symbolism" even directs you to serpent symbolism. I don't know if things are different in German.
Btw, the link says, in the Abrahamic story, the serpent is the symbol of sexual desire. Reminded me of the debate about the sexual symbolism of the story.
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