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red_flag
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posted September 13, 2014 10:38 PM |
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Edited by red_flag at 12:36, 14 Sep 2014.
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Here is my quite final visual presentation of the Sylvan's line-up conceptions before we will see some official pic-hints:
I know about feline issue, but I took some that I have. So for the The Strength of the Forest it can be Stag rider and for the Earth’s Perfect Balance it can be Unicorn rider.
P.S. Actually all of the offered line-ups not a barrel of honey 
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted September 13, 2014 11:09 PM |
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I strongly believe that earth's balance is leading the charge because of phoenixes.
People don't stop to think it through, they just see a flying creature and just go for it.
They keep saying they want an offensive gameplay but totally ignore Sylanna's fury.
I imagine:
-A Sun Deer with high speed, and high attack.
-A Dryad being a nice bait for your other units to move more freely
-Druids entangling enemies till your Green Dragons arrive to eat them up
-Pixies being the first wave of attack with a nice spray attack and no retaliation
-Blade Dancers will kick ass being an elite unit (they were fearsome in H5 if they attacked first)
So how is this not offensive? And yes unicorns would be perfect but deers are as iconic as unis are. totally forest creatures!
So how again phoenixes are better? We are talking about Ashan's Sylvan not Preserve from H4.
And didn't somebody said that Ubisoft's attempts to bring elements from old heroes game always falls flat?
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted September 13, 2014 11:20 PM |
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ChrisD1 said:
So how again phoenixes are better? We are talking about Ashan's Sylvan not Preserve from H4.
perhaps because some people are motivated by tradition and do not care one whit that it's Ashan's Sylvan
don't blame the voters, Ubisoft are the ones who put the phoenix in as an option, so obviously they think it can work
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted September 13, 2014 11:43 PM |
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Edited by ChrisD1 at 23:45, 13 Sep 2014.
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verriker said:
perhaps because some people are motivated by tradition and do not care one whit that it's Ashan's Sylvan
don't blame the voters, Ubisoft are the ones who put the phoenix in as an option, so obviously they think it can work
I am motivated by tradition too. And that's why I voted for Sylvan in the first place.
And I will accept that. So everyone who votes for the phoenixes should claim that it is tradition that drove them, not gameplay (either offensive, either defensive).
Also you are 10000% right about ubisoft. another shady tactic not revealing much about any unit. so we are voting with specualations.
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odium
Known Hero
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posted September 14, 2014 12:15 AM |
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They already confirmed that they will provide more insight. This is actually the game that they hope for: to give some information, watch people debate on that incomplete stuff and have some initial voting, and then they reveal some more pieces and the debating and voting continues.
Regarding my reasons for which I did not vote for Sylanna's Fury, well first of all it's because of the fact that we have both Dryads and Pixies in the same lineup. This should be the most boring and unoriginal decision that they have had until now. The Dryad was the alternate upgrade of the pixie in H5... Also this option suffers from the fact that Dryads & Treant (as a champion) seem to be dependent on each other with respect to their usefulness. With the information that we have until now this means that there is actually no champion choice, you'll most likely have to go for Treant. Finally, the Moon Deer is not my cup of tea. I don't like the concept one bit, the Unicorn would have been a much better option. Too bad that the concept of high initiative glass cannon is the one that I like the most. But for me, the cons are weighting a bit more. Therefore, I hope that the balanced version of the faction would be versatile enough to allow for a viable offensive gameplay.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted September 14, 2014 12:26 AM |
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ChrisD1 said:
So how again phoenixes are better? We are talking about Ashan's Sylvan not Preserve from H4.
I really disliked H4 phoenixes. Overgrown flaming chickens 
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted September 14, 2014 12:29 AM |
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Edited by ChrisD1 at 00:32, 14 Sep 2014.
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odium said:
They already confirmed that they will provide more insight. This is actually the game that they hope for: to give some information, watch people debate on that incomplete stuff and have some initial voting, and then they reveal some more pieces and the debating and voting continues.
Regarding my reasons for which I did not vote for Sylanna's Fury, well first of all it's because of the fact that we have both Dryads and Pixies in the same lineup. This should be the most boring and unoriginal decision that they have had until now. The Dryad was the alternate upgrade of the pixie in H5... Also this option suffers from the fact that Dryads & Treant (as a champion) seem to be dependent on each other with respect to their usefulness. With the information that we have until now this means that there is actually no champion choice, you'll most likely have to go for Treant. Finally, the Moon Deer is not my cup of tea. I don't like the concept one bit, the Unicorn would have been a much better option. Too bad that the concept of high initiative glass cannon is the one that I like the most. But for me, the cons are weighting a bit more. Therefore, I hope that the balanced version of the faction would be versatile enough to allow for a viable offensive gameplay.
as you said they will provide more insight.
but do you really think that they would include two identical units in the same faction? and to everyone who keeps using this argument.
after the uproar they got from the glories being the same with light elementals. do you really think they will do that in the same faction???? of course they will design them different!
and as for dryads, I will tell you what you said. they will provide more info. no way they will include a unit with JUST ONE use. having dryads can be helpful in other ways 100%!
do you think they will have a unit that will just stand there if there is no treant in your army????????
about the deer it's a preference, so i get it that it's not that likeable.
and treant vs green dragon will offer you the versatility you want with a hint of offensiveness.
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted September 14, 2014 12:43 AM |
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H4 is never really a good argument FOR something anyway.
I still think that both Treant and Phoenix are bad choices for champion. Phoenix should be in Academy instead, they can just rename the stupid magic bird and keep it as is. But I guess problem would be coming up with a suitable candidate to go instead then, preferably something flying. Pegasus as champion?
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What will happen now?
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odium
Known Hero
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posted September 14, 2014 12:43 AM |
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Edited by odium at 00:49, 14 Sep 2014.
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Dryad vs Pixie: they will probably try to make them different but they won't be different enough. In the end, everyone has in mind the same kind of concept: beautiful female creature with magical/fantastic powers. They can embellish the design a bit to make them as different as possible but at their core these two are the same type of creature. Not to mention that there will be the problem of consistency with respect to H5...
Regarding Dryads and Treants, I never said that Dryads won't do anything else besides complementing Treants. But it seems that their use on the battlefield is partially connected (it can be a small amount or big enough amount, we will hopefully find out before the voting ends) to the existence of the Treant in the lineup. Please note that in the 2 lineups in which we have the Treant as champion, the Dryad is also included. Only in the lineup where the Treant is elite, the Dryad has been replaced with the Pixie.
Now, on your side, why do you assume that "Earth's Perfect Balance" would not be capable of providing an offensive feel?
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Naze
Known Hero
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posted September 14, 2014 01:08 AM |
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The voting is really interesting... I already thought Fury is out of the question, but it seems to catch up. I really wonder, how it will end up.
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odium
Known Hero
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posted September 14, 2014 01:29 AM |
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What I would like to happen is for the vote to be unconclusive (i.e first two options with the same percentage) so that they reshape their proposals. I believe that many people are torn not by the great potential of the choices that they have in front, but by their big gaps. It's not a "what's the best" type of choice but a "what's least bad" choice.
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Hotarubi
Known Hero
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posted September 14, 2014 02:32 AM |
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Stormcaller said:
Did you forget about Inferno? They're pretty much all about offensive might.
Is this directed at me? If so, of course I didn't forget. But I was pertaining to the "Good" factions- Fortress, Haven, Sanctuary, Sylvan, and Academy.
I just hate the fact that we keep going back to the "Good = defence specialists/ Bad = offence specialist" binaries. Necro and Academy obviously are the exceptions to the rule (rightfully so, since in Ashan, they're also the two factions that are the most morally ambiguous collectively), but we should leave the defence oriented factions to Haven and Fortress. Sylvan should play a more calculating skirmish offence style in comparison to Inferno (swift reckless abandon) and Stronghold (sturdier but slower reckless abandon), for variety's sake.
But even though I am currently voting Fury (and wouldn't mind Balance...), I await for more details on Sylvan units to determine my final allegiance!
Hehe on a random irrelevant side note, I've kinda given a face to each of the factions. In my head, I call Strength "Ylthin", Balance "Dirael", and Fury "Anwen".
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JeremiahEmo
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
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posted September 14, 2014 03:35 AM |
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Hotarubi said:
Hehe on a random irrelevant side note, I've kinda given a face to each of the factions. In my head, I call Strength "Ylthin", Balance "Dirael", and Fury "Anwen".
I've always thought Strength is Talanar, Balance is Vinrael and Fury is Gilraen.
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DarkLord
Supreme Hero
Fear me..
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posted September 14, 2014 04:38 AM |
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Edited by DarkLord at 05:29, 14 Sep 2014.
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Tough choice ..
say creature-wise
appearances
> Hunter (H1-H2-H3-H4-H5)
    
> Pixie (H1-H2-H3conflux-H4-H5)
    
> Dryad (H5 as upgrade to pixies)
> Root Snake (new)
> Druid (H1-H2-H5)
  
> Unicorn (H1-H2-H3-H4-H5)
    
> Blade Dancer (H5)
> Emerald Warrior (new)
> Sun Deer (new)
> Treant (H3-H5)
 
> Green Dragon (H3-H5)
 
> Phoenix (H1-H2-H3conflux-H4-H5neutral-H6neutral)
     
well..
Hunters / Druids / Green dragons are in every line up, which is good in my opinion
while Treants offered as champions or elite tier
for the rest
Strength of forest (the entaglers)
Dryads - combined with treants will be interesting to play them
Unicorns - glad they will be in line up with their magic resistance, as they always been there
a Snake? - a poisonous snake in sylvan ? seriously
Emerald warrior - boring strike and return harpy/fury sylvan-style
Earth's balance (all mixed randomly)
Pixies - weaklings with no retaliation, but some respect to them due to their past appearances in previous HoMM games
Snake
Emerald warrior
Phoenix - nature themed faction with a bird which constantly burns iitself. save the trees dont let phoenix burn it all
Sylanna's fury (ubisoftish new creatures)
Dryads
Pixies
Blade dancers - another elf with 2 swords, disliked them in H5, but even they don't look as bad as the other candidate which is a ...
Deer - a deer??? really? thats what dev's came up with? why not call it a Sylanna's Zoo and just put random animals all over the place Deers, Bears, Tigers, Owls etc
well anyways.. voted for 1st option the Strenght of forest
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Kronos1000
Promising
Supreme Hero
Fryslân Boppe
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posted September 14, 2014 08:35 AM |
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DarkLord said:
Deer - a deer??? really? thats what dev's came up with? why not call it a Sylanna's Zoo and just put random animals all over the place Deers, Bears, Tigers, Owls etc
The Deer can actually be interesting the first thing that came to my mind was the one from Clash of Heroes:
It has the ability to jump over walls, I wonder...
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JeremiahEmo
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
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posted September 14, 2014 08:58 AM |
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Heroes 4 has truly the worst Nature lineup. It was boring and unimaginative both creature design and creature choices. It was one faction short because Nature was basically unplayable.
Almost everything in Heroes 4 was just bad and it's no surprise it flopped.
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Danny
Famous Hero
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posted September 14, 2014 09:10 AM |
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^To me Heroes IV Nature was the best variation of this town, loved the inclusion of Griffins and Emerald Dragons! Heroes V was my least fav due to several lame design like Treant but hopefully Heroes VII will rectify that!
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VOKIALBG
Honorable
Legendary Hero
First in line
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posted September 14, 2014 09:23 AM |
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Edited by VOKIALBG at 09:28, 14 Sep 2014.
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34%-36%-30%
Unicorns are dying.
And I like H4 Nature. Its nice. H3 is best here.
You guys that vote Balance... You dont like many dragons, but there is no problem with sum of huge birds as champ creatures?!
JeremiahEmo said:
JollyJoker said:
Snakes are in all cultures a symbol for wisdom and healing - only the serpent is evil.
really? I know a few culture that terms snake in relation to traitors.
+1 for JEmo. They are even more then few.
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted September 14, 2014 09:37 AM |
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted September 14, 2014 09:44 AM |
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Edited by Galaad at 09:45, 14 Sep 2014.
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Kronos1000 said:
DarkLord said:
Deer - a deer??? really? thats what dev's came up with? why not call it a Sylanna's Zoo and just put random animals all over the place Deers, Bears, Tigers, Owls etc
The Deer can actually be interesting the first thing that came to my mind was the one from Clash of Heroes:
It has the ability to jump over walls, I wonder...
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