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posted September 15, 2014 02:01 PM |
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Storm-Giant said:
Same here. While their designs have differences, in essence the concept is very similar and it gives the feel of an overkill :S
but golem gargoyle and titan didn't give you the feel of an overkill. COME ON!! you don't like fury and you want to see phoenixes. good for you. it's your right! but don't try to reduce fury with petty arguments.
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Stevie
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posted September 15, 2014 02:02 PM |
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War-overlord said:
But Dryads and Pixies are like Spring Spirits and Snow Maidens, they are very similarly feeling creatures, which belong to the same faction, which are placed in the same tier. That rubs plenty people the wrong way.
Your alternative is a root snake which also rubs people the wrong way. And the same arguments can be used, similar plant creatures, especially to the treats. So every argument you use can be in turn used against you.
Face it, this is all about the unicorns.
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posted September 15, 2014 02:07 PM |
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ChrisD1 said:
Storm-Giant said:
Same here. While their designs have differences, in essence the concept is very similar and it gives the feel of an overkill :S
but golem gargoyle and titan didn't give you the feel of an overkill. COME ON!! you don't like fury and you want to see phoenixes. good for you. it's your right! but don't try to reduce fury with petty arguments.
I don't remember seeing that as a problem ever, with H2, H3, H5...yeah
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posted September 15, 2014 02:07 PM |
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Stevie said:
Your alternative is a root snake which also rubs people the wrong way. And the same arguments can be used, similar plant creatures, especially to the treats. So every argument you use can be in turn used against you.
Face it, this is all about the unicorns.
We have no idea what root snake looks like so your argument is void.
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War-overlord
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posted September 15, 2014 02:09 PM |
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Stevie said:
Your alternative is a root snake which also rubs people the wrong way. And the same arguments can be used, similar plant creatures, especially to the treats. So every argument you use can be in turn used against you.
I never said that the Root Snake should have been the alternative. As I've said in other threads, I'd rather see Satyr. But Root Snakes is what we got.
Further more, People dislike them because they are Snakes, not because they are plants (which is your assumption). And the fact that they are snakes makes them dissimilar to Dryads and Pixies, which are humanoids.
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Stevie
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posted September 15, 2014 02:09 PM |
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blizz said:
We have no idea what root snake looks like so your argument is void.
If only the name wasn't pointing at both its form as well as its composition. But you're right, it might have arms and legs for what I know.
War-overlord said:
I never said that the Root Snake should have been the alternative. As I've said in other threads, I'd rather see Satyr. But Root Snakes is what we got.
Same here, I never said Dryads and Pixies are better but that's what we got. Your argument, my argument.
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ChrisD1
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posted September 15, 2014 02:10 PM |
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Storm-Giant said:
ChrisD1 said:
Storm-Giant said:
Same here. While their designs have differences, in essence the concept is very similar and it gives the feel of an overkill :S
but golem gargoyle and titan didn't give you the feel of an overkill. COME ON!! you don't like fury and you want to see phoenixes. good for you. it's your right! but don't try to reduce fury with petty arguments.
I don't remember seeing that as a problem ever, with H2, H3, H5...yeah
but we are talking about H7 aren't we?
if the dryad and the pixie give you the sense of an overkill, so should half of the academy units.
else you have uneven criteria and you shouldn't judge about that topic.
find another argument, or just say you don't like them just because.
it's a far better argument than your "overkill" argument.
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War-overlord
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posted September 15, 2014 02:14 PM |
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Stevie said:
Same here, I never said Dryads and Pixies are better but that's what we got. Your argument, my argument.
Then don't write that my alternative is the Root Snake.
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Sandman
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posted September 15, 2014 02:23 PM |
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Got to have phoenix in sorry, unicorns would have been nice too but if its a choice between the two i would take phoenix every time.
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posted September 15, 2014 02:30 PM |
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War-overlord said:
Stevie said:
ChrisD1 said:
even so golems are infused with primal magic to work, no?(i am actually asking i don't know the answer)
All we know is it takes magic, not which kind.
Well, DoC actually revealed constructs are prime.
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posted September 15, 2014 03:03 PM |
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Sandman said:
Got to have phoenix in sorry, unicorns would have been nice too but if its a choice between the two i would take phoenix every time.
Actually this is a tough one for me. Not putting both units in the same line up is outrageous. Now there are two compromises (Strenght & Earth) for old fans and one fully Ashan lineup (Fury) for people from the H5 era. Quite funny there is almost no information, most of it created pro Unicorn or hate Phoenix propagandas, while the problem lies elsewhere.
From my understanding they should've just kept Unicorns, keep Treant as Elite as it always has been, and propose Dragons/Phoenixes as Champs to suit one's preference. Of course there will Hunter and/or Dryad/Pixie, and at this point Snakes and Bladedancers wouldn't be that big of a deal.
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JeremiahEmo
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posted September 15, 2014 03:06 PM |
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The current model for Dryads completely suck. I would prefer them to be made of wood.
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moonshade
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posted September 15, 2014 03:18 PM |
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My idea and line-up...
First, I think Phoenix should belong in the Academy (as a "moon-Phoenix") and the "Magic Bird" should be renamed Phoenix (and also slightly redesigned). Alternately, they should be called Roc/Garuda (respectively), but then the Phoenix should be neutral (or a Dwarf creature, being fire beings)- in Ashan, they don't fit Sylvan so much.
So, that's how I would design the line-up:
Core:
Hunter
Lynx
Root Snake
Elite:
Unicorn
Emerald Knight
Mantis
Champion:
Treant
Green Dragon
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JeremiahEmo
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posted September 15, 2014 03:25 PM |
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^ only two humanoids? That's horrible.
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posted September 15, 2014 03:28 PM |
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ChrisD1 said:
but we are talking about H7 aren't we?
Still the same case.
ChrisD1 said:
if the dryad and the pixie give you the sense of an overkill, so should half of the academy units.
else you have uneven criteria and you shouldn't judge about that topic.
find another argument, or just say you don't like them just because.
it's a far better argument than your "overkill" argument.
Not really, because:
- Having 2 plant-type creatures with similarities on the same level feels like an overkill, when you could probably find other creature to replace one of them.
- In the case of Academy, Titans are Champ level to begin with, so they're out of the question. As for Golems & Gargoyles is true they are both construct, but they have been part of Academy since H3 and I don't get the feel that they are too alike.
PS: I'll give my opinion whenever I want, not when you feel I don't have 'uneven criteria'.
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ChrisD1
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posted September 15, 2014 03:48 PM |
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Storm-Giant said:
ChrisD1 said:
but we are talking about H7 aren't we?
Still the same case.
ChrisD1 said:
if the dryad and the pixie give you the sense of an overkill, so should half of the academy units.
else you have uneven criteria and you shouldn't judge about that topic.
find another argument, or just say you don't like them just because.
it's a far better argument than your "overkill" argument.
Not really, because:
- Having 2 plant-type creatures with similarities on the same level feels like an overkill, when you could probably find other creature to replace one of them.
- In the case of Academy, Titans are Champ level to begin with, so they're out of the question. As for Golems & Gargoyles is true they are both construct, but they have been part of Academy since H3 and I don't get the feel that they are too alike.
PS: I'll give my opinion whenever I want, not when you feel I don't have 'uneven criteria'.
so you accept that golems and gargoyles are similar the way pixies and dryads are, but the latter bother you because you are unfamiliar with them. so it's actually unfamiliarity and not similarity that bothers you. which is fine. but don't go and point out similarity since that is clearly not the case.
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blizz
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posted September 15, 2014 03:54 PM |
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Sylanna's Fury is our new take on sylvan for more aggressive approach. It relies on taking the battle to the enemy with high initiative and high damage capabilities at the cost of some mobility and special abilities. This is also our option if you wish to have more elf and humanoid-based faction instead of having so many creatures.
I hope both strength and balance voters will stand together in case fury takes lead and prevent this from happening.
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Storm-Giant
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posted September 15, 2014 04:32 PM |
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ChrisD1 said:
so you accept that golems and gargoyles are similar the way pixies and dryads are
I never said that. All I said is that Sprites & Dryads give me the same vibe, Golemns and Gargoyles not.
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Avonu
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posted September 15, 2014 04:56 PM |
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I a little surprised that in topic with so many post, there are only so few votes in poll:
33/28/19
I thought there will be at least more then one hundred.
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War-overlord
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posted September 15, 2014 05:12 PM |
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Avonu said:
I a little surprised that in topic with so many post, there are only so few votes in poll:
33/28/19
I thought there will be at least more then one hundred.
Nah, it's just the same few people arguing to nowhere.
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