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DarkLord
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posted September 21, 2014 10:45 AM |
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VOKIALBG said:
If you voted STRENGTH, be sure its doomed and change to BALANCE, fury is simply madness and we can still stop it!
I voted Strenght!!!
but if i change i will change to fury,
because i think second phoenix (first is already a neutral) as a champion in Sylvan is madness! especially if its called Moonix
+ balance has treants , but no dryads to compliment them
as for fury, it has deers, which is madness, but i find it less evil then 2d phoenix in game
so let me rephrase you
If you voted BALANCE, be sure its doomed and change to STRENGHT, fury is simply madness and we can still stop it!
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lokdron
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posted September 21, 2014 11:01 AM |
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ChrisD1 said:
Anyone who voted fury,voted for the preference. If people didn't want to the phoenix they could go to strength.
Strength voters went to balance to keep fury down.so a big chunk of balance was people who didn't want to see fury.not people who really like balance. And now those people go back to strength.
All this because of a deer and a blade dancer (since all other units exist here and there)
How bad can they be?
I saw some really bitter comments here,and all i'll say is "calm down".
I didn't go crazy ,here,insulting other people's choices when balance was winning. I tried to find arguments in favor of fury or why i didn't like balance in a civilized way.
Whichever line up wins will be tweaked as hell,so we will have the optimal gameplay. So no line up will be "snow" in the end.
I am in full agreement with you.
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adriancat
Famous Hero
Protector Of The Peace
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posted September 21, 2014 11:06 AM |
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@ Storm-Giant and Elvin : Changing the quotes with my posts with your sarcasm isn't a proof of mind sanity. I trust you can give better reasons to not vote for Sylanna's Fury than "Rush now, think later" . Or maybe this is your way of thinking too ("Change posts, think later") 
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RMZ1989
Supreme Hero
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posted September 21, 2014 11:06 AM |
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Fury's lineup with few tweaks would be great. Now all they need to do is to replace Magic Bird with Phoenix and its new model we have seen few days ago in Academy and it will all be good.
Deer also can be replaced by Unicorn, I don't mind.
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jhb
Famous Hero
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posted September 21, 2014 11:09 AM |
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VOKIALBG said:
If you voted STRENGTH, be sure its doomed and change to BALANCE, fury is simply madness and we can still stop it!
Very solid arguments you have here...
Seriously, I just hope the flame wars from Ubi don't contamine this forum too.
I think the devs should hide the %, so people could vote FOR WHAT THEY LIKE, not vote to destroy what other people liked.
That way, maybe we could have more arguments, more debate, and less flaming, less arrogance.
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lokdron
Famous Hero
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posted September 21, 2014 11:11 AM |
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jhb said:
VOKIALBG said:
If you voted STRENGTH, be sure its doomed and change to BALANCE, fury is simply madness and we can still stop it!
Very solid arguments you have here...
Seriously, I just hope the flame wars from Ubi don't contamine this forum too.
I think the devs should hide the %, so people could vote FOR WHAT THEY LIKE, not vote to destroy what other people liked.
That way, maybe we could have more arguments, more debate, and less flaming, less arrogance.
I agree with you next time they should hide the percentage. Still I know they won't do that because ubi wants to create "discussion" good and bad to generate interest in the game.
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lokdron
Famous Hero
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posted September 21, 2014 11:11 AM |
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jhb said:
VOKIALBG said:
If you voted STRENGTH, be sure its doomed and change to BALANCE, fury is simply madness and we can still stop it!
Very solid arguments you have here...
Seriously, I just hope the flame wars from Ubi don't contamine this forum too.
I think the devs should hide the %, so people could vote FOR WHAT THEY LIKE, not vote to destroy what other people liked.
That way, maybe we could have more arguments, more debate, and less flaming, less arrogance.
I agree with you next time they should hide the percentage. Still I know they won't do that because ubi wants to create "discussion" good and bad to generate interest in the game.
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adriancat
Famous Hero
Protector Of The Peace
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posted September 21, 2014 11:12 AM |
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Those who change their votes from Balance to Strength are no less that snowes. Those two line-ups are totally different, and changing votes just to beat the fans who voted otherwise (Fury) is an act of cowardness 
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted September 21, 2014 11:21 AM |
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Raelag84 said:
War-overlord said:
lokdron said:
Alright then if you think that's the case if its soooo wrong why doesn't everyone change their vote to balance? If fury is SUCH an abomination and insult and should be kept out of the series?
They should change their vote to Stength!
Why?
History. Plain and simple, History.
Every faction has a few iconic units that have always appeared in their line-ups. These units are their staples. They are the units that ground the faction in their own history. The units that represent the continuity of the faction in the shifting line-ups.
For Sylvan, these units are two. They are the Unicorn and the Elven Archer. They have always been part of the line-up. In every itteration of the faction. To lose the Unicorn, is to lose part of it's history, is to lose part of it's grounding.
War-overlord said:
alcibiades said:
Well basically what you say... any Sylvan with Unicorn is better than any Sylvan without Unicorn.
Yes, very much so.
I have since thought about this some more and I have to revise my statement. A Sylvan with a Unicorn is better then all Sylvan without a Unicorn, except the Sylvan with Unicorn but without the Elven Archer.
So do not throw away the history. And vote Strength.
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fuChris
Promising
Supreme Hero
Master to the Speed of Light
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posted September 21, 2014 11:26 AM |
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Galaad said:
I'm starting to think 20 posts per day is too much.
I've been thinking that for the past week already.
Seriously War. You need to chill out.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted September 21, 2014 11:28 AM |
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fuChris said:
Seriously War. You need to chill out.
Regarding how strong his arguments are, I believe he is pretty chilled out according to the situation.
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted September 21, 2014 11:29 AM |
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fuChris said:
Galaad said:
I'm starting to think 20 posts per day is too much.
I've been thinking that for the past week already.
Seriously War. You need to chill out.
I have enough red stars to be above the 20 post limit.
Galaad said:
Regarding how strong his arguments are, I believe he is pretty chilled out according to the situation.
Thank you.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted September 21, 2014 11:38 AM |
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Edited by Stevie at 11:38, 21 Sep 2014.
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War-overlord said:
Getting one potentially good faction over another potentially good faction is one thing.
Seeing the line-up that is an insult to the history of the series leading in the polls is another.
I think a downgraded Unicorn on magic defense (lol) with no blind attack (at least not hinted, but why wouldn't they hint such an important feature?!) which symbolizes utmost purity and dignity near a vile and malicious Snake is the biggest insult we could think of. I wouldn't vote that precisely because I think it's an affront to the Unicorn! If I am to have a half-assed Unicorn paired with a poisonous Snake then for the Unicorn's sake I refuse.
War-overlord said:
Actually, the majority agrees with me that it isn't the beter option. If only 40% votes Fury, then the majority disagrees with it.defining staples.
War-overlord said:
But as long as no one option gets more then 50%, then no option has the majority.
Sophism, entirely.
This is not a vote for obtaining a majority of 50% + 1. This is a vote of obtaining a majority of 33% + 1, which by every poll definition is still a majority.
This is not a vote against a line-up, but FOR a line-up. So your argument that Fury is in the minority because the combined percentages from the other line-ups are higher is looking at things backwards.
But, granted the implication of opposition coming from voting a line-up rather than the other, then Fury would still be favored because it's opposed by a minority of 60%, while Strength is opposed by 73% and Balance by 64%.
So either way you look at it, even backwards, Fury is still favored by a majority vote and by a minority opposition.
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted September 21, 2014 11:55 AM |
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Stevie said:
I think a downgraded Unicorn on magic defense (lol) with no blind attack (at least not hinted, but why wouldn't they hint such an important feature?!) which symbolizes utmost purity and dignity near a vile and malicious Snake is the biggest insult we could think of. I wouldn't vote that precisely because I think it's an affront to the Unicorn! If I am to have a half-assed Unicorn paired with a poisonous Snake then for the Unicorn's sake I refuse.
Is it a snake though? Because the only thing that implies that it is, is the name. The artwork and description imply something else.
Because I see the Root Snake as a carnivorous plant, more accurately a carnivorous creeper vine that has nestled itself in a similar evolutionary niche.
Further more, vileness and especially maliciousnes need to be deliberate. Wether the Root Snake is a Plant or an Animal, it is almost certainly not sentient. And as a non-sentient being, it cannot be held accountable for its deeds. So a snake is no more vile or malicious then a wolf or a lion. That snakes are being percieved so, is biblical prejudice.
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Royin
Adventuring Hero
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posted September 21, 2014 11:58 AM |
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Stevie said:
War-overlord said:
Sophism, entirely.
This is not a vote for obtaining a majority of 50% + 1. This is a vote of obtaining a majority of 33% + 1, which by every poll definition is still a majority.
What you describe is plurality, not a majority. A majority is >50% of all voters. Think about it. If you have 10 options and 101 eligible voters. 9 options get 10 votes and the 10th gets 11. The 11 voters together gave their choice the most votes compared to other options (plurality) but they are not the majority as they aren't 51 voters together. That means that 90 out of 101 people still didn't pick their option for whatever reason.
This does in no way reflect the poll we're talking about, just trying to make my point clear.
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted September 21, 2014 12:06 PM |
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War-overlord said:
Stevie said:
Is it a snake though? Because the only thing that implies that it is, is the name. The artwork and description imply something else.
Because I see the Root Snake as a carnivorous plant, more accurately a carnivorous creeper vine that has nestled itself in a similar evolutionary niche.
Further more, vileness and especially maliciousnes need to be deliberate. Wether the Root Snake is a Plant or an Animal, it is almost certainly not sentient. And as a non-sentient being, it cannot be held accountable for its deeds. So a snake is no more vile or malicious then a wolf or a lion. That snakes are being percieved so, is biblical prejudice.
the description says so: "Only when its prey comes into range does the Root Snake spring to life. With startling speed, it grabs its prey with his teeth, then constricts it until death. The Root Snake˘s bite is rather painful and they rarely attack creatures too big to swallow, although their bodies are sometimes covered with poisonous thorns making them potentially dangerous.
we all thought it would be a root acting like a snake but in the end is a snake acting as a root, to catch prey more easily.
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted September 21, 2014 12:11 PM |
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ChrisD1 said:
the description says so: "Only when its prey comes into range does the Root Snake spring to life. With startling speed, it grabs its prey with his teeth, then constricts it until death. The Root Snake˘s bite is rather painful and they rarely attack creatures too big to swallow, although their bodies are sometimes covered with poisonous thorns making them potentially dangerous.
we all thought it would be a root acting like a snake but in the end is a snake acting as a root, to catch prey more easily.
From this description, one cannot discount the possibility of the creature being a highly mobile carnivorous plant. In fact, the poisonous thorns speak in favor of it being a plant.
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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted September 21, 2014 12:14 PM |
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I admire people like War-Overlord that are so passionate about this game. I am the same. We don't have same point of view but I can see where he is coming from.
Important thing to remember is that we have only vague description of creatures and concept art that is not even from this game.
Don't insult your own intelligence by attacking people with different opinions. We cant form decision based on facts, so its not wise to argue about particular creatures like we have all information. Arguing how will certain creature behave in hypothetical combat situation and in imaginary battlefield without any usable data does not belong in adult and intelligent exchange of views.
At this point its equally valid to defend unicorn for its historical value and wanting to see new creature like sun deer. We don't need to like other opinion but there is no objective way to to say which creature will suit faction better.
One cannot defend objectively his ground without all information and after seeing creature in action/final concept art/all abilities and stats in detail. For this time we can only use our preference subjectively. So there is no point in further argument in this heated manner especially insulting someone for different views.
Just to be clear this post is not directed to War-Overlord but to the people on forum in general. Im sorry if that wasn't clear.
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted September 21, 2014 12:18 PM |
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Edited by Pawek_13 at 12:24, 21 Sep 2014.
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ChrisD1 said:
Anyone who voted fury,voted for the preference. If people didn't want to the phoenix they could go to strength.
Strength voters went to balance to keep fury down.so a big chunk of balance was people who didn't want to see fury.not people who really like balance. And now those people go back to strength.
All this because of a deer and a blade dancer (since all other units exist here and there)
How bad can they be?
I saw some really bitter comments here,and all i'll say is "calm down".
I didn't go crazy ,here,insulting other people's choices when balance was winning. I tried to find arguments in favor of fury or why i didn't like balance in a civilized way.
Whichever line up wins will be tweaked as hell,so we will have the optimal gameplay. So no line up will be "snow" in the end.
Finally someone to cool down the balance extremism. I know that loss is painful but do you really have to show your grief in such manner? About mazed battlefield - Haven will have only one flyer (excluding Griffin because it is campaign exclusive) and no one was yelling: "Haven will suck because it has only one flyer". Fury also has only obe flyer and a deer, which might have similar ability to the one from CoH (jumping over obstacles), so fight with fury won't be that bad. Hydra's attack was also very opportunistic, it was terribly slow and I cannot remind any negative opinions about it being a bad unit. As Avonu stated, in MMH7 many more battlefields will be maze-like, so number of bottle-neck regions will increase dramatically. In such places units will have to be laced, hence Blade Dancers with theirr high initiative and speed will have a great opportunity to use their multiple target attack ability, so come on, don't be so sceptic. ;-) Every strategy has its pros and cons.
Although I am not against Fury, I cannot imagine Sylvan without Unicorns, so come on Team Strength. :-D
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jhb
Famous Hero
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posted September 21, 2014 12:25 PM |
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Edited by jhb at 12:26, 21 Sep 2014.
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Well, I hope no one jump on my neck for posting more madness ... =/
but if fury hypothetically win, just hypothetically... what do you think about theses pics?
I think the first one looks nice, the horns are like branches. But, the second one might fit better in this "twilight" theme.
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