|
|
adriancat
Famous Hero
Protector Of The Peace
|
posted September 21, 2014 06:41 PM |
|
|
Valen-Teen said:
Oh, yeah, gay dancers are better than blue chickens 
Yes, they are better. Much better 
|
|
Sandro400
Promising
Supreme Hero
Shadow of Death
|
|
posted September 21, 2014 06:43 PM |
|
|
You don't want gay dancers or big chickens?
Than vote for Strength of the Forest and the brilliant Unicorns!
____________
Let's play poker game, lich-style!
|
|
Valen-Teen
Famous Hero
UFOlolOgist
|
|
posted September 21, 2014 06:48 PM |
|
|
Valen-Teen is against goatcorns, bluenix and gay dancers
PS 
____________
Our hopes for Heroes VIII!
|
|
Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
|
|
posted September 21, 2014 06:52 PM |
|
|
adriancat said:
You are angry on me because I stated my opinion. I offended no one, I just stated my opinion in what I believe to be a blue/yellow chicken which place is not in Sylvan. I'm glad you understand me. 
Not exactly, the point is that mentioning that specific thing all the time is considered spamming. Just like posts who say vote unicorn or don't let fury win. It is understandable up to a point but let's not make it a habit.
____________
H5 is still alive and kicking, join us in the Duel Map discord server!
Map also hosted on Moddb
|
|
Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
|
|
posted September 21, 2014 07:01 PM |
|
|
Valen-Teen said:
Oh, yeah, gay dancers are better than blue chickens
Similarly, this is not cool. Comments like this can be offensive to a part of the posters here, whether they are gay or not. Please avoid such terms.
____________
H5 is still alive and kicking, join us in the Duel Map discord server!
Map also hosted on Moddb
|
|
War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
|
|
posted September 21, 2014 07:18 PM |
|
|
Stevie said:
"So a snake is no more vile or malicious then a wolf or a lion, or an Unicorn". Continue the argument fully, not only where it suits your case. So if by any reason Snake's maliciousness is discarded because not being sentient then also the Unicorn follows suit, losing any attributes which we may perceive as qualities because of any prejudice for that matter, not only biblical.
So what you actually managed to do here is to bring the Snake and the Unicorn to the same level. Not only you deny the Snakes vileness and maliciousness with the "not sentient" argument, but you also strip the Unicorn of its dignity and purity for the same reasons.
This does beg the question that if the animal cannot be held accountable for their deeds, then who can? This is a clear and cut case.
When Root Snakes are feral, nobody can. Then it is nature being nature. When the Root Snakes are charmed or tamed, then the owner is to be held accountable
Unicorns are something different. Unicorns are animals that are sacred to a God. In most cases Sylanna, in case of the Pristine Unicorn Elrath. As divine creatures, they act to the whim and guidance of their parton-God. Therefor the one to hold accountable to for the action of a Unicorn is their God. That Unicorns are sacred can be read in the description of the Pristine Unicorn, information that has not been retconned
Thus, by their divine nature, Unicorns cannot be on par with "regular" animals or plants, whatever they may be.
Stevie said:
Claiming it's something else is wishful thinking at best. I doubt Marzhin would have written about a Snake if it weren't a Snake.
It is my interpretation that the Root Snake is a plant. This done due to the words chosen in the description and the artwork shown, both of which leaves room for interpretation.
Thorns, for instance, by the definition of the word, is something inherant to plant.
The artwork, even if it is not final, shows a being comprising of several intertwining roots. Given that there is shown to be space between the roots, leads me to interpret, that these roots are seperate from eachother. Where it is not uncommon for plants for their stems to behave in such a way, I find it hard to convince myself that an animal has a singular head and several intertwining bodies.
Also, the fact that it leads an active lifestyle, does not stop it from being an plant. If that were so, then Treants aren't plants either, since they are also capable of moving at the same speed of animals.
As for the name, that can be due to behavioral patterns. But names are not always the most accurate of things. Take the Slow Worm for instance. It is called a Worm, it may look like one or like a snake,but it is, taxonomically, a lizard.
Therefor, I conclude, that it is not impossible for a Root Snake to be a plant. And untill I get confirmation that it is not, I choose to believe it is a plant.
ChrisD1 said:
but you got personal about other peoples' choices!!! saying we vote for the line up that offends the game we all love? come on!!
I did not intend that. Nontheless, let me appologise.
I do not retract my statement about the Fury Line-up. However let me state clearly that I do, in no way, imply that people who choose this line up are not in their full right to do so, for whatever reason they choose. Their choosing of Fury is in no way a thing to be held against them, just as choosing one of the other two line-ups is something to be held against other people.
I never intended to offend anyone and I appologise if I caused offense nontheless.
I agree with Elvin that I moved into a grey area with some of the statements I have made. I am gratefull that I have been shown patience where a reprimand may have been justified.
____________
Vote El Presidente! Or Else!
|
|
Valen-Teen
Famous Hero
UFOlolOgist
|
|
posted September 21, 2014 07:27 PM |
|
|
Elvin said:
Please avoid such terms.
Sorry, emotions 
|
|
ninjata12
Adventuring Hero
|
|
posted September 21, 2014 08:24 PM |
|
|
Whatever happens with the vote, I want to thank Limbic for the chance they give us to actually be part of the game. It's the first time something like this is done, so there might be some bad options or angry fans, but the truth is - that's the way to go. We always wanted to have a say. Maybe that's why some people even visit this forum. So let's just keep calm, be happy that we have a say and who knows - maybe one day there will be some epic H7 duels between some of the participants in the forum Once again - thank you Limbic  And please don't screw this up, it has the potential to be the best Heroes game ever...
____________
|
|
Protolisk
Promising
Famous Hero
|
|
posted September 21, 2014 08:43 PM |
|
|
Stevie said:
I think there's no need to debate the obvious. It's a Snake no matter how you look at it. It obviously has plant-like similarities by the fact that it's named Root, but by behavioral patterns, constriction, slithering, injecting venom, it's a Snake entirely. Claiming it's something else is wishful thinking at best. I doubt Marzhin would have written about a Snake if it weren't a Snake.
I have a feeling that if the Root Snake isn't a plant, then neither is a Treant. After all, a Treant is basically a plant-human, if you see what I mean. It can walk, like a human. It can punch and slam things, like a human.
And it's not like plants can do most of what you have written as "animal" traits. Constricting via wrapping around other plants is pretty much a by-product of how vines grow, and end up killing other plants. Make this a bit more violent, and bam, constriction.
Poison is how many plants get animals to not eat them. Another common way of getting not-eaten is to grow thorns. Now try to get those to work in tandem, and you get, instead of consumed poison and pricking of thorns, injected venom. If you think such a thing doesn't exist in our world, may I suggest you take a look at the ongaonga, which literally has stinging spines and has killed someone this way. Make the stinging venom of such a plant more powerful, and instead of a five hour time limit per a field of such plants, one plant in a few minutes. Venom can be very powerful or weak, as "venom" can range to Mosquito saliva (which causes mild irritation) to box jellyfish venom (causing heart to collapse and death in about 4 minutes). Note neither animals listed are snakes, either. As the jellyfish uses its venom for consumption of prey, as does our Root Python as well as venomous snakes, a slippery slope argument could be made so that a jellyfish is a reptile much like snakes and not the cnidarian that it is, taxonomically. Further arguing that a Root Snake on these grounds is much like reptilian snake is like saying a Jellyfish is a membranous snake and a mosquito is a flying exo-skeletal snake.
You say it slithers, but according to the description, it merely moves "with startling speed" and can burrow. That startling speed reminds me of a very common carnivorous plant, the Venus Fly Trap, which though can be slow, it must also be fast enough to catch a evasive fly. Burrowing brings to mind the rooting of plant structures and fungal networks beneath the ground.
If anything, its behavior is easily within plants' abilities, and it just a more fantastical and aggressive version of one. It is much like how dolphins and great white sharks are very close, but a dolphin is not a fish and a shark is not a mammal.
Quote:
"So a snake is no more vile or malicious then a wolf or a lion, or an Unicorn". Continue the argument fully, not only where it suits your case. So if by any reason Snake's maliciousness is discarded because not being sentient then also the Unicorn follows suit, losing any attributes which we may perceive as qualities because of any prejudice for that matter, not only biblical.
So what you actually managed to do here is to bring the Snake and the Unicorn to the same level. Not only you deny the Snakes vileness and maliciousness with the "not sentient" argument, but you also strip the Unicorn of its dignity and purity for the same reasons.
This makes me question the reason for your vote, or your ability to vote for that matter. If by any stretch of the imagination, a Snake is on the same level as an Unicorn to you, then I cannot trust your fealty and respect for the Unicorn by any means. You are doing more harm than anything.
Except that it explicitly states the Root Snakes are charmed so they can be used by the Elves. This automatically means the snake's actions, whilst charmed, is the responsibility of the charmer, i.e. the Elf. No where is there even any grounds for the argument of Unicorns needing to be charmed. And the Unicorns are indeed magical in nature already, so they could very well be sentient. No where does it say the Root Snake is magical, so it could not even try to get that pass.
At most, you could say the Unicorn is resembled to a Griffin, as they are both magical animals that fight for another specie, and as such are liable for their own actions, whom act on their own (but still aid their general/leader). The Root Snake is explicitly charmed. They are not liable to their actions. If anything, they are more aligned with Ghouls and Skeletons, as they are directly mind controlled to aid their controller (Necromancers), or even Succubi/Faceless/Pit Lord and their prey (is even a sentient creature liable for any actions a Faceless makes them do, or the non-action a Lilim would do? Let alone the mind-warping powers of a Pit Lord.) All these controllers take direct action in altering what the victim in question would do, and in turn, so too do the Elves have responsibility over the Root Snake. The Unicorns are not treated as such.
|
|
blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
|
|
posted September 21, 2014 09:13 PM |
|
Edited by blob2 at 21:15, 21 Sep 2014.
|
Well, I decided to change my vote from Strength to Fury. Unicorns are a lost cause (they can always throw them in as mounts), so I'll stick to Sun Deers. To be perfectly clear, this is not my ideal vote: Dryads and Pixies are meh, Blade Dancers are boring, and it's a shame there are no Root Snakes in this line-up (though the more I look on their concept, the more boring it turns out to be for me:/). I'm not against Phoenixes, but somehow they don't seem to make me that much enthusiastic about them. Though the fact is I would rather see them as Champions instead of Treants, which are better suited as Elite tier units...
Gimme all the hate you want
|
|
War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
|
|
posted September 21, 2014 09:17 PM |
|
|
What?
____________
Vote El Presidente! Or Else!
|
|
Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
|
|
posted September 21, 2014 09:34 PM |
|
|
Your post makes no sense, Blobl2
____________
|
|
blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
|
|
posted September 21, 2014 09:52 PM |
|
Edited by blob2 at 21:54, 21 Sep 2014.
|
Why not?
Unicorns and Emerald Dragons are my favorite units from the list of possible line-ups. The rest are not that important. Because I can't get Unicorns, I'll stick with the line-up that gives Sun Deers, cus I like their concept. I know that basing my vote on few units is controversial, but that's how I see it I'm afraid. Actually I'm not that interested in this whole battle orientation of Sylvan (Offensive or Defensive etc). Aside from Hunters, Druids and Treants (and the units mentioned before) which are your standard Sylvan units, the rest of the proposed ones do not impress me...
|
|
Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
|
|
posted September 21, 2014 09:57 PM |
|
|
Oh. It sounded like you don't mind balance and you mostly dislike fury so you decided to go for fury 
____________
H5 is still alive and kicking, join us in the Duel Map discord server!
Map also hosted on Moddb
|
|
Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
|
|
posted September 21, 2014 09:58 PM |
|
Edited by Galaad at 22:01, 21 Sep 2014.
|
blob2 said:
Why not?
Unicorns and Emerald Dragons are my favorite units from the list of possible line-ups.
I don't understand why you quit Strenght then.. ?
Edit : when I say this voting drives us crazy !
|
|
Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
|
|
posted September 21, 2014 09:59 PM |
|
|
Well, because this, of course:
blob2 said:
Dryads and Pixies are meh, Blade Dancers are boring, and it's a shame there are no Root Snakes in this line-up (though the more I look on their concept, the more boring it turns out to be for me:/). I'm not against Phoenixes, but somehow they don't seem to make me that much enthusiastic about them. Though the fact is I would rather see them as Champions instead of Treants, which are better suited as Elite tier units...
You basically dislike all Fury creatures but Deers, lol. And you also prefer Treants as Elite and in Fury they are champs...
____________
|
|
War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
|
|
posted September 21, 2014 10:03 PM |
|
|
Galaad said:
Edit : when I say this voting drives us crazy !
Some of us were crazy before it began.
____________
Vote El Presidente! Or Else!
|
|
Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
|
|
posted September 21, 2014 10:09 PM |
|
|
War-overlord said:
Galaad said:
Edit : when I say this voting drives us crazy !
Some of us were crazy before it began.
Can't argue against that
____________
|
|
blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
|
|
posted September 21, 2014 10:09 PM |
|
Edited by blob2 at 22:12, 21 Sep 2014.
|
Storm-Giant said:
You basically dislike all Fury creatures but Deers, lol. And you also prefer Treants as Elite and in Fury they are champs...
Read my other post. I know it sounds weird, stupid even, but after my first good impression my thoughts are that all three line-ups are not to my liking. So basically Fury sucks, but it's still better then not getting either Unicorn or Sun Deer (Strength is out so the fight will be decided between Balance and Fury). Like many people have proposed already, maybe a mix of those three line-ups would be better? Or even a H4 styled alternative building paths (Unicorn/Sun Deer or Emerald Dragon/Phoenix etc)?
|
|
Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
|
|
posted September 21, 2014 10:15 PM |
|
|
Storm-Giant said:
War-overlord said:
Galaad said:
Edit : when I say this voting drives us crazy !
Some of us were crazy before it began.
Can't argue against that
Yea, that would be crazy 
@Blob2: My fellow Elven brother. I congratulate you for your vote for Fury. I welcome you amongst us. Let us learn together the totally awesome martial art of the blade dance. And slice bread perfectly with our swords 
|
| |
|
|
This thread is pages long: 
