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Stevie
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted September 21, 2014 04:42 PM |
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Elvin said:
Strictly speaking, considering the balance or a lineup crap is not against the CoC. It is an opinion. What is not fine is when you call someone's opinion offensive because that is bound to provoke. It is not a direct provocation or a personal insult but let's face it, it will rub people the wrong way. It is not forbidden but I'd rather we played nice.
So by your own admission, you're being picky on what is against the CoC or not. What're we talking here about then? And then you come and directly insult adrian. "Jester", really? Is that how we're supposed to play nice?
Look just for the sake of conversation, I will retract what I said about defending Snake + Unicorn being offensive. I will say instead that I find the Snake and Unicorn in the same line-up repugnant. I have provided the counter argument for the "non-sentient" hypothesis from WO with which he argues in favor of Snake + Unicorn to which he didn't replied further, even after I specifically requested it several times and even now. So I'd rather have that answered rather than have the conversation thrown off-track because of claims of getting emotional.
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CanWakhan
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posted September 21, 2014 04:44 PM |
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dark-whisperer said:
I admire people like War-Overlord that are so passionate about this game. I am the same. We don't have same point of view but I can see where he is coming from.
Important thing to remember is that we have only vague description of creatures and concept art that is not even from this game.
Don't insult your own intelligence by attacking people with different opinions. We cant form decision based on facts, so its not wise to argue about particular creatures like we have all information. Arguing how will certain creature behave in hypothetical combat situation and in imaginary battlefield without any usable data does not belong in adult and intelligent exchange of views.
At this point its equally valid to defend unicorn for its historical value and wanting to see new creature like sun deer. We don't need to like other opinion but there is no objective way to to say which creature will suit faction better.
One cannot defend objectively his ground without all information and after seeing creature in action/final concept art/all abilities and stats in detail. For this time we can only use our preference subjectively. So there is no point in further argument in this heated manner especially insulting someone for different views.
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted September 21, 2014 05:05 PM |
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Steyn said:
- Strength doesn't have two humanoid forest spirits, preventing H6-like scenarios.
While I'm not overly keen on the Dryad, my fear is not to have it resemble the Pixie too much. One being a miniature 1-foot flying creature (which from the artwork we've seen looks very much like a leaf), the other being a full-fledged walking humanoid, there would be plenty of difference. I'm much more concerned about the Dryad and the Druid, when looking at the artworks we've seen so far. I am most definitely NOT a fan of the female druid!
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Stormcaller
Famous Hero
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posted September 21, 2014 05:08 PM |
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wolves hunt human for food.
Lol no they do not. They only resort to drastic measures if the situational is critical and they have nothing else to hunt. Same goes for bears, especially polar bears during summer.
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malax83
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Game ranger, HotA Player
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posted September 21, 2014 05:26 PM |
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Morality, you have to shave your beard once you are walking on polar country
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alex_yakub
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posted September 21, 2014 05:30 PM |
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It's 25/37/38 now! Just a little bit more...
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hammerhand
Hired Hero
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posted September 21, 2014 05:34 PM |
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Emerald knights...I think they are not just another elves.
a knight does not always mean a armoured horseman or a title£¬sometimes it means duty£¬loyalty£¬protection.
and emerald means they associate with emerald dragon£¬ or even sylanna herself. that's why they should be female. like valkyrie.
maybe they should called high guard of sylannna£¬that sounds great.
elves should have something different like elven holy warrior or templeguard£¬not just forest beings and forest warriors.
the name emerald knight also remind me other fantasy stories such as Knights of Emeralds£¬written by the Canadian novelist Anne Robillard£¬
and green lanterns of DC comic£¬ who are also called emerald knights.
I think those inspired Ubi.
Plus£ºif you don't like too many humanoids £¬what if ubi make dryad a warfare unit£¿so synergy won't be a problem.
not attempt to convince someone£¬ just some thought
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hammerhand
Hired Hero
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posted September 21, 2014 05:50 PM |
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Stormcaller said:
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wolves hunt human for food.
Lol no they do not. They only resort to drastic measures if the situational is critical and they have nothing else to hunt. Same goes for bears, especially polar bears during summer.
bears are rare and they eat fruits and fishes£¬they attack human mainly because human intrude their territory.
wolves are pure predator£¬ they are more likely to attack people when they are hungry.
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lokdron
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posted September 21, 2014 05:53 PM |
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Edited by lokdron at 17:53, 21 Sep 2014.
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alex_yakub said:
It's 25/37/38 now! Just a little bit more...
Well of course its public voting the balance can shift anytime its not like the one sided vote between elves and dwarves. We got 4 more days to go I expect more shifts in terms of votes.
I have a strange feeling that strength is going to pull through at the last minute we will just have to wait and see.
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Kronos1000
Promising
Supreme Hero
Fryslân Boppe
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posted September 21, 2014 06:00 PM |
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lokdron said:
alex_yakub said:
It's 25/37/38 now! Just a little bit more...
Well of course its public voting the balance can shift anytime its not like the one sided vote between elves and dwarves. We got 4 more days to go I expect more shifts in terms of votes.
I have a strange feeling that strength is going to pull through at the last minute we will just have to wait and see.
Fury still leads, but its position is not so sure anymore. I'd be okay with Strength making a comeback as long as it is not a failed one and it results in Balance winning.
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Raelag84
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posted September 21, 2014 06:03 PM |
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Edited by Raelag84 at 18:29, 21 Sep 2014.
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Galaad said:
ChrisD1 said:
(even though strength is more similar to fury because they share the same champions-most impactful units-)
Strenght is more respectful on staples, while Fury could establish new ones.
Those two factions are opposed in every way.
With respect, Strength and fury are almost identical in their play styles. It is the only reason I am hearing argument for switching to strength.
@ Steyn
Your arguments are noted. Just to clarify, I am indifferent to blade dancer vs emerald warrior, and I prefer the deer unit, but unicorns are nice too. I am thinking about it.
@hammerhand.
It's off topic, but now I am curious. Please provide stats on wolf attacks and bear attacks on humans. Thank you.
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cleglaw
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posted September 21, 2014 06:06 PM |
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Edited by cleglaw at 18:07, 21 Sep 2014.
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about bears, well they do eat humans. they are pretty known for this. even this "grizzly man" got eaten almost completely, police literally searched for his remians in bears belly according to the reports.
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lokdron
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posted September 21, 2014 06:07 PM |
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Kronos1000 said:
lokdron said:
alex_yakub said:
It's 25/37/38 now! Just a little bit more...
Well of course its public voting the balance can shift anytime its not like the one sided vote between elves and dwarves. We got 4 more days to go I expect more shifts in terms of votes.
I have a strange feeling that strength is going to pull through at the last minute we will just have to wait and see.
Fury still leads, but its position is not so sure anymore. I'd be okay with Strength making a comeback as long as it is not a failed one and it results in Balance winning.
I agree I am even saying this as someone voted fury maybe I am not exactly "into" this whole contest since I want dwarves (poor dwarves) and inferno in the game.
Still good luck to all the line ups can't wait to see the results in 4 days. I hope people will control their disappointment no matter which line up wins in the future.
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CanWakhan
Hired Hero
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posted September 21, 2014 06:18 PM |
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Raelag84 said:
@hammerhead.
It's off topic, but now I am curious. Please provide stats on wolf attacks and bear attacks on humans. Thank you.
You can find whole article at wikipedia(and many different studies about it elsewhere), that's only an introduction:
"Although wolf attacks do occur, their frequency varies with geographical location and historical period. Gray wolf attacks are dangerous not only for the victims, but also the attackers, who are often subsequently killed, or even extirpated in reaction. As a result, wolves today tend to live mostly far from people or have developed the tendency and ability to avoid them. The country with the most extensive historical records is France, where nearly 7,600 fatal attacks were documented in from 1200 to 1920. In modern times, they occur most often in India and neighboring countries. There are few historical records or modern cases of wolf attacks in North America. In the half-century up to 2002, there were eight fatal attacks in Europe and Russia, three in North America, and more than 200 in south Asia. Experts categorize wolf attacks into various types, including rabies-infected, predatory, agonistic, and defensive."
It's obvious that wolves stopped attacking people on bigger scale when humans invented gunpowder and drastically reduced wolves population. Animals do remember what was done to them and who/what is dangerous to them. It's the same with foxes in some countries, they stay away from the cities because human hunted them down in the past. Ravens are returning slowly to the cities in Europe because people stopped killing them and treating them as a bad omen some time ago.
As to bears there are more rare but attacks happen when humans enter their territory. But these places are usually recluse so there is not so many people at the high mountains or deep into forests. It's the same with wolves. If people would start going where their live there would be more attacks - first because that's their territory, second because humans are meet for them.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted September 21, 2014 06:22 PM |
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Edited by Elvin at 18:35, 21 Sep 2014.
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@Stevie
Not really, like I said that situation is not strictly forbidden by the CoC. But how a moderator acts in a grey area is up to his discretion as the CoC is more of a guideline than a manual that covers every situation. According to the situation a moderator might or not say something.
Adrian is spamming non-stop about blue chickens even after he has been asked by Galaad to stop. This is my friendly reminder that he is acting like a joker as opposed to me taking action. A stricter mod might have penalized but I do not believe this would help in this situation. He's not the only one who's been posting spam around after all.
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hammerhand
Hired Hero
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posted September 21, 2014 06:26 PM |
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cleglaw said:
about bears, well they do eat humans. they are pretty known for this. even this "grizzly man" got eaten almost completely, police literally searched for his remians in bears belly according to the reports.
I didn't say they don't. I just said they are rare and omnivores£¬they don¡¯t rely on meat£¬so they are less dangerous.
wolves always attack sheeps and human tribes in east Asian history£¬tale of "wolf disaster" in Mongolian steppe£¬never heard£¿
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adriancat
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Protector Of The Peace
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posted September 21, 2014 06:30 PM |
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blizz said:
ChrisD1 said:
we are derailing here and i'm not sure what you're trying to say.if you want message me.
so on point here, balance has no unicorn,strength has no phoenix. which are the most used arguments for voting those two.
yet strength goes to balance in order to subdue fury (even though strength is more similar to fury because they share the same champions-most impactful units-) and balance goes to strength although there is no phoenix there, so why not fury? for the knight? for the snake? most strength voters are all about tradition but they would gladly see a knight and a snake that are not traditional AT ALL. isn't it a little contradicting? all of this maze of "arguments" to avoid fury. isn't this overreacting?
Because fury line-up is the most humanoid and also has a deer which is a bland unicorn replacement. Knight is an elf warrior just like blade dancer is, just another elf and not really something new (not to mention blade dancer was the biggest fail of H5 Sylvan). Strength has unicorn, balance has phoenix and fury has nothing exciting.
Anyway I think you are the one overreacting here, not like none of them changes to fury...
This is your opinion. In my opinion Fury is the most "exciting" line-up. And I understand that a blue chicken can be exciting for you 
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted September 21, 2014 06:35 PM |
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Stevie said:
Look just for the sake of conversation, I will retract what I said about defending Snake + Unicorn being offensive. I will say instead that I find the Snake and Unicorn in the same line-up repugnant. I have provided the counter argument for the "non-sentient" hypothesis from WO with which he argues in favor of Snake + Unicorn to which he didn't replied further, even after I specifically requested it several times and even now. So I'd rather have that answered rather than have the conversation thrown off-track because of claims of getting emotional.
One cannot reply when one has no internet connection or computer.
The discussion may continue while I'm out sporting, but I'm sure we can understand how that hampers my ability to reply.
Allow me to catch up to the few pages that have been added since.
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adriancat
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Protector Of The Peace
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posted September 21, 2014 06:38 PM |
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Elvin said:
@Stevie
Not really, like I said that situation is not strictly forbidden by the CoC. But how a moderator acts in a grey area is up to his discretion as the CoC is more of a guideline than a manual that covers every situation. According to the situation a moderator might or not say something.
Adrian is spamming non-stop about blue chickens even after he has been asked by Galaad to stop. This is my friendly reminder that he is acting like a joker as opposed to me taking action. A stricter mod might have penalized but I do not believe this would help in this situation. He's not the only one who's been posting spam around after all.
You are angry on me because I stated my opinion. I offended no one, I just stated my opinion in what I believe to be a blue/yellow chicken which place is not in Sylvan. I'm glad you understand me. 
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Valen-Teen
Famous Hero
UFOlolOgist
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posted September 21, 2014 06:38 PM |
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Oh, yeah, gay dancers are better than blue chickens 
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