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Annwyn
Hired Hero
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posted September 21, 2014 03:25 PM |
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Hello guys,
I've been lurking for a while, reading many of your posts. I've decided to delurk because some comments are just frustrating and "silly".
1. Voting based upon artworks that are branded with a mention saying "no actual MMH7 ART, final creature might look different" is just foolish. It may be Sylvan but I want my faction to kick ass and be fun to play, not to look like a Fashion week catwalk.
2.To the fury Zealot who posted : "This makes me question the reason for your vote, or your ability to vote for that matter" <---- well this comment makes me question your own ability to vote or pass a judgement wisely : for your information, describing snakes are "EVIL" is just close minded as in other cultures it is actually a symbol of wisdom, even medecine.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted September 21, 2014 03:26 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 15:27, 21 Sep 2014.
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@Elvin : And what about Phoenix being repeatedly referred as "blue chicken that will burn the forest ?"
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adriancat
Famous Hero
Protector Of The Peace
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posted September 21, 2014 03:27 PM |
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Galaad said:
@Elvin : And what about Phoenix being repeatedly referred as "blue chicken that will burn the forest ?"
Yellow chickens that will sing in the morning 
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jhb
Famous Hero
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posted September 21, 2014 03:28 PM |
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Edited by jhb at 15:50, 21 Sep 2014.
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hammerhand said:
Actually I don't know why ancient people thought snake is eviler than wolf.
Snakes in European forests are rare£¬ wolves are many.
Mostly snakes attack people to protect themselves£¬wolves hunt human for food.
Snake venom usually take hours to kill a person£¬ wolf can kill a man in 10 minutes.
Imo, it's not a question of good or evil, it's how they behave.
They are naturally stealthy and treacherous.
Biologically there is nothing evil here. But this is how they behave, they are recognized for this.
Guys, if want to vote whatever line you like, go for it!
But looks like you are almost trying to convince me that snakes are now holy spirits of benediction. Maybe they should fit heaven now?
@Annwyn
Hello,
well, in some oriental cultures serpent are known as wise, but if you look at these serpents they're more like draconic, than snakes.
And these guys are in the Sanctuary, they are represented by the naga.
Take a look at the Kirin, that is our wise serpent.
But I can be wrong about this, I don't know much about oriental myths.
@hammerhand
Sorry, my friend.
It's cos I had seen so many people exalting so many virtues of snakes lately. =P
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted September 21, 2014 03:28 PM |
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Don't worry, adrian is the forum's jester 
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted September 21, 2014 03:31 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 00:50, 02 Oct 2014.
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I still find it offensive regarding lore and franchise's spirit.
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adriancat
Famous Hero
Protector Of The Peace
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posted September 21, 2014 03:32 PM |
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Elvin said:
Don't worry, adrian is the forum's jester
Yes, and Elvin is the best friend of foolish sarcasm 
P.S. I'm paid for being the forum's jester
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted September 21, 2014 03:35 PM |
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Edited by ChrisD1 at 15:37, 21 Sep 2014.
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Elvin said:
@ChrisD1
Not your support in particular. Any poster who wants to see more posts rewarded can mention a good post they saw in the feedback thread. It doesn't cost anything and it can help a lot.
now that's smth that i didn't know.
Elvin said:
Strictly speaking, considering the balance or a lineup crap is not against the CoC. It is an opinion. What is not fine is when you call someone's opinion offensive because that is bound to provoke. It is not a direct provocation or a personal insult but let's face it, it will rub people the wrong way. It is not forbidden but I'd rather we played nice.
play nice is smth we all want in general.
so someone stating that he is offended by the way someone else is refering to his choices rubs people the wrong way.
but someone practically saying "your votes insult the franchise's history" or that "this line up is a pile of sh*t snow" when he knows that there are people here who voted for that, and that they will feel bad about this comment being hurtful, isn't rubbing people the wrong way?
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted September 21, 2014 03:41 PM |
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Edited by Elvin at 15:43, 21 Sep 2014.
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Sure. But like I said before, there are more than a few who are doing this.
PS adrian isn't getting paid enough so his jokes are often sub-par.
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hammerhand
Hired Hero
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posted September 21, 2014 03:44 PM |
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jhb said:
hammerhand said:
Actually I don't know why ancient people thought snake is eviler than wolf.
Snakes in European forests are rare£¬ wolves are many.
Mostly snakes attack people to protect themselves£¬wolves hunt human for food.
Snake venom usually take hours to kill a person£¬ wolf can kill a man in 10 minutes.
Imo, it's not a question of good or evil, it's how they behave.
They are naturally stealthy and treacherous.
Biologically there is nothing evil here. But this is how they behave, they are recognized for this.
Guys, if want to vote whatever line you like, go for it!
But looks like you are almost trying to convince me that snakes are now holy spirits of benediction. Maybe they should fit heaven now?
I was not talking to you.
and I am just interesting in mythos and human histories
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adriancat
Famous Hero
Protector Of The Peace
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posted September 21, 2014 03:47 PM |
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Elvin said:
Sure. But like I said before, there are more than a few who are doing this.
PS adrian isn't getting paid enough so his jokes are often sub-par.
Indeed, I need a raise of salary, so maybe my jokes will be better, and Elvin will be satisfied.
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jhb
Famous Hero
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posted September 21, 2014 03:52 PM |
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Edited by jhb at 15:55, 21 Sep 2014.
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Adrian is the best! And I'm probably hitting my post limit :~~~
"PS adrian isn't getting paid enough so his jokes are often sub-par. " LOL
Still the best imo.
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adriancat
Famous Hero
Protector Of The Peace
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posted September 21, 2014 03:55 PM |
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jhb said:
Adrian is the best! And I'm probably hitting my post limit :~~
A big 
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted September 21, 2014 03:59 PM |
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Elvin said:
Sure. But like I said before, there are more than a few who are doing this.
PS adrian isn't getting paid enough so his jokes are often sub-par.
we are derailing here and i'm not sure what you're trying to say.if you want message me.
so on point here, balance has no unicorn,strength has no phoenix. which are the most used arguments for voting those two.
yet strength goes to balance in order to subdue fury (even though strength is more similar to fury because they share the same champions-most impactful units-) and balance goes to strength although there is no phoenix there, so why not fury? for the knight? for the snake? most strength voters are all about tradition but they would gladly see a knight and a snake that are not traditional AT ALL. isn't it a little contradicting? all of this maze of "arguments" to avoid fury. isn't this overreacting?
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Steyn
Supreme Hero
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posted September 21, 2014 04:11 PM |
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Raelag84 said:
I challenge strength supporters to turn me away from Fury.
Convince me to vote strength.
Challenge accepted! 
Why (imho) you should vote for Strength instead of Fury:
- With Sylvan being an offensive faction, strength also provides the option for a more defensive playstyle. With fury you only options are to attack first or be totally annihilated.
- Strength brings two new units to the Sylvan line-up, instead of the one from fury. I know you fury voters are in love with the blade dancer, especially after the recently revealed (really nice) artwork, but the emerald warrior is also offensive and will most likely have better durability. Furthermore I would not like to risk another H5 ghost:
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Relying on evasion and quick action rather than resistance or brute force, Blade Dancers wear no armour, but often decorate their skin with magical protective paintings.
- Strength has unicorns! Although deer are a reasonably good alternative, they cannot beat unicorns.
- Strength doesn't have two humanoid forest spirits, preventing H6-like scenarios.
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blizz
Known Hero
of temper grace
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posted September 21, 2014 04:12 PM |
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Edited by blizz at 16:13, 21 Sep 2014.
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ChrisD1 said:
we are derailing here and i'm not sure what you're trying to say.if you want message me.
so on point here, balance has no unicorn,strength has no phoenix. which are the most used arguments for voting those two.
yet strength goes to balance in order to subdue fury (even though strength is more similar to fury because they share the same champions-most impactful units-) and balance goes to strength although there is no phoenix there, so why not fury? for the knight? for the snake? most strength voters are all about tradition but they would gladly see a knight and a snake that are not traditional AT ALL. isn't it a little contradicting? all of this maze of "arguments" to avoid fury. isn't this overreacting?
Because fury line-up is the most humanoid and also has a deer which is a bland unicorn replacement. Knight is an elf warrior just like blade dancer is, just another elf and not really something new (not to mention blade dancer was the biggest fail of H5 Sylvan). Strength has unicorn, balance has phoenix and fury has nothing exciting.
Anyway I think you are the one overreacting here, not like none of them changes to fury...
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted September 21, 2014 04:16 PM |
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ChrisD1 said:
(even though strength is more similar to fury because they share the same champions-most impactful units-)
Strenght is more respectful on staples, while Fury could establish new ones.
Those two factions are opposed in every way.
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted September 21, 2014 04:20 PM |
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blizz said:
ChrisD1 said:
we are derailing here and i'm not sure what you're trying to say.if you want message me.
so on point here, balance has no unicorn,strength has no phoenix. which are the most used arguments for voting those two.
yet strength goes to balance in order to subdue fury (even though strength is more similar to fury because they share the same champions-most impactful units-) and balance goes to strength although there is no phoenix there, so why not fury? for the knight? for the snake? most strength voters are all about tradition but they would gladly see a knight and a snake that are not traditional AT ALL. isn't it a little contradicting? all of this maze of "arguments" to avoid fury. isn't this overreacting?
Because fury line-up is the most humanoid and also has a deer which is a bland unicorn replacement. Knight is an elf warrior just like blade dancer is, just another elf and not really something new. Strength has unicorn, balance has phoenix and fury has nothing exciting.
Anyway I think you are the one overreacting here, not like none of them changes to fury...
a deer is more iconic than a snake though,having appeared in the clash of heroes. so is a blade dancer having appeared in H5 where the knight is just a haven unit in green armor with pointy ears.
that blade dancer as an elite is a very exciting unit(given the concept that was given recently), and a deer that can jump obstacles like in clash of heroes,is exciting too.
so no i'm not overreacting i am giving my line of thought.
of course some people changed to fury but they are way less than the people going back and forth between balance and strength in panic just to avoid fury which has much more similarities than differencies with strength.
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blizz
Known Hero
of temper grace
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posted September 21, 2014 04:26 PM |
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Edited by blizz at 16:34, 21 Sep 2014.
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ChrisD1 said:
a deer is more iconic than a snake though,having appeared in the clash of heroes. so is a blade dancer having appeared in H5 where the knight is just a haven unit in green armor with pointy ears.
that blade dancer as an elite is a very exciting unit(given the concept that was given recently), and a deer that can jump obstacles like in clash of heroes,is exciting too.
so no i'm not overreacting i am giving my line of thought.
of course some people changed to fury but they are way less than the people going back and forth between balance and strength in panic just to avoid fury which has much more similarities than differencies with strength.
We are talking about Heroes not CoH so that hardly makes deer iconic at all. I don't know how knight is a haven unit. It's an armored elf warrior while blade dancer is a half naked one.
Blade dancer is hardly anymore exciting than it was before, it's still seems to have the same abilities. Only the art is different but isn't final one either. Both balance and fury have line-ups similar to past heroes games while fury doesn't.
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted September 21, 2014 04:29 PM |
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Edited by ChrisD1 at 16:32, 21 Sep 2014.
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Galaad said:
ChrisD1 said:
(even though strength is more similar to fury because they share the same champions-most impactful units-)
Strength is more respectful on staples, while Fury could establish new ones.
Those two factions are opposed in every way.
i'm reaching my daily quota, but one iconic unit and two not at all iconic units (please if you feel a snake and a knight is iconic to sylvan then there is nothing to talk about here,it's your preference and that's ok) is more respectful to staples, than a blade dancer that was seen in H5, a deer that is a forest peaceful creature that has appeared in a sylvan line up in ashan(no matter the game it's the same franchise and lore) and a pixie/sprite(H2,H3,H4,H5)?
I'd rather have three "new" units (they are not new at all) that fit sylvan better than have a super iconic unit paired with two other units that clearly are new and have no ties to sylvan in any way.
btw i haven't forgot our discussion about your thread but i doubt i will have enough posts to conitinue that
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