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Heligrin
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posted March 31, 2015 11:45 AM |
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Maurice said:
Vampires are most likely a-sexual. They're dead, reborn to Mother Namtaru through her venom and have no emotions. Love and lust are emotions, so they don't apply to Vampires. They might feign it, to get a fresh container of blood to drink, of course.
Well, that's not quite true. Anastasya became a vampire but "contrary to most Necromancers, she refused to shun her ability to feel emotions".
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted March 31, 2015 12:15 PM |
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Which makes her a double-hypocrite.
Cheating death in the name of order(?) and refusing to adhere to necro norms.
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted March 31, 2015 12:22 PM |
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Heligrin said:
Well, that's not quite true. Anastasya became a vampire but "contrary to most Necromancers, she refused to shun her ability to feel emotions".
Which makes her a rather unique exception, right?
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted March 31, 2015 12:26 PM |
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Avirosb said:
Which makes her a double-hypocrite.
Cheating death in the name of order(?) and refusing to adhere to necro norms.
it wasn't voluntary in her case.
anyway, i'm gonna go cry in a corner about the results 
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It is with a heavy heart that I must announce that the cis are at it again.
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Zombi_Wizzard
Famous Hero
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posted March 31, 2015 12:28 PM |
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Ok guys. Since you're apparenty all to young, here's some trivia, from the Wizzard (me), about Vampires:
First and foremost. Whoever claims female Vampires are not tr00 Vampires, or that they were invented by D&D or Twilight, dosen't know what he/she is talking about, and probably dosen't know much about Vampires and Vampire literature AT ALL. But that's ok. I'm here to help  . To start of...
Carmilla was first novel about Vampires, as we know them (human and not mythological spirit ones), that I know of. Written by Le'Fanu, it came more than 2 decades before Dracula. In fact, Stoker, was fan of Le'Fanu's Carmilla, and was inspired by this work, when writing Dracula. Carmilla is Dracula's predecesor. She is lesbian Vampiress.
In the novel, the erotic stuff is very toned down, tho. Still, for the time it was written, it was considered taboo and shocking. Having read the book myself, it's not very much for todays standards. You could say it only includes hints of eroticism. The book is very short, unlike Dracula, so I highly recomend it. It does have a great gothic atmosphere to it, that you would enjoy, if you like classical Vampire stuff.
So. There you go. The first ever Vampire novel was erotic horror novel about homosexual female Vampiress. 
Later on, Carmilla had several appearences on television, but was overshadowed by more popular Dracula. This was due to it's more erotic nature. It did have one X rated movie in the 80's, that I know off tho. It includes a lot of nudity. It also had several spin-offs in porn movie genere, and influenced other Vampire porn movies. She was also an important character in a recent Castlevania game, called Castlevania: Lords of Shadow (actualy one of the better 3D Castlevania games imo, but that's beside the point).
Now to Dracula.
In Dracula, if you actualy read the original book, and not just watched movies, you would know there's also a characeter, Mina's friend named Lucy. Lucy fell victim to Dracula, and was transformed into his servant. She became a Vampire. Van Helsing, with the help of other protagonists, including Lucy's former lover(s), offed her, by hammering a stake through her hearth and decapitating her body afterwards. It is the only way to be sure with Vampire. Later Dracula met similar faith (only that instead of stake, he was stabed with the Bowie knife).
As you see, even in Dracula, there is an important character, who is Vampiress (Lucy). She was also depicted in various other media. Nevertheless, there is a hint of eroticism in Dracula itself, as he is after beautiful women, stalking them and drinking their blood. Dracula is actualy infatuated with Mina's beauty, as well as Lucy's that's why he's after them. It is not love story tho (this is important!), and only Hollywood added that part in some of their movie adaptations... that all came before Twilight, I'm afraid.
Now, I did not watch Twilight movies (not even one of them), so I dont know much about them or the characters in them. All I know is that Vampires are men. Atleast main Vampire (Edward I belive is his name), is a male Vampire. So I do not get the connection with gothic female sexy Vampiress and Twilight. In fact, I see a lot more connection with Twilight and "The Blood Monster". I guess this one is on you.
One thing is for sure tho. Female Vampires were here more than 100 years! YES 100 YEARS Before Twilight. In fact, I had to check this one fact on internet, Carmilla was written in 1871, while author of Twilight novels was BORN in 1973. Carmilla was written 100 years before the author of Twilight was even born  .
So there you go. If you want the tr00 Vampire, than unfortuantly (for you I guess) includes Vampiress aswell. And yes, Tr00 Vampire have emotions. Dracula knows fear, he also clearly likes women, same with Carmilla. Lucy knows sadness, and fear aswell.
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted March 31, 2015 01:14 PM |
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Ludmilla's bio outright says "lascivious vampire" and Lucretia's is pretty much succubus level in H5
They really should do a second round for both liches and vampires, given those results had 1% of difference jeh.
alcibiades said:
Zombi_Wizzard said:
Shows, that the lady was great. It was probably first and last chance of a female vampiress, and most unique. And I was not alone with this opinion of emo blood monster/knight.
Well I just completely disagree. If there was anything emo in that line-up, it was 100 % the female vampire, and for me, getting her would have completely ruined Necropolis and gone against everything we've worked for when we've advocated for a more mythology-based approach to the game. Because what other than a female vampire symbolizes the soul of the neo-goth-Twilight-slash-whatever movement?
Carmilla? Elizabeth Bathory? Lol
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OmegaDestroyer
Hero of Order
Fox or Chicken?
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posted March 31, 2015 02:41 PM |
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donatazz said:
OmegaDestroyer said:
Yeah, let's not go down this path. Perhaps you may want to rephrase that, donatazz?
Lets go down this path, Im not the one who went there. Word gay has manny meanings, one of which I used was quote
"Slang: Often Disparaging and Offensive. awkward, stupid, or bad; lame:
This game is boring and really, really gay."
If you interpreted it any other way, get your mind out of the gutter.
OK. We are going there. I asked you nicely to rephrase your comment because some may interpret it as offensive. What perplexes is me is your insistence upon using the term and ardent defense of its use after another poster was warned about it.
If you have any questions, concerns, or comments regarding language and the Codes of Conduct, I direct you towards the Turban Tribunal. For now, this is the only warning I am giving you.
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The giant has awakened
You drink my blood and drown
Wrath and raving I will not stop
You'll never take me down
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artu
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted March 31, 2015 03:32 PM |
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@ZW
Mentioning Dracula and vampiresses, there's also the Dread Sisters in count's castle. Lucy was rather a victim and she hasnt walked around as a vampiress too long but the Dread Sisters are typical, classical vampiress, seductive and erotic.
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Are you pretty? This is my occasion. - Ghost
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Zombi_Wizzard
Famous Hero
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posted March 31, 2015 04:18 PM |
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@artu
You are correct. It's been long since I read the book, but from what I remember, they are far more pronounced in movie than in book, where there's not realy a scene where they would take Harker to bed and drink his blood. Instead, they only atempt to do that, and if I remember correctly Dracula himself prevents them from doing so.
I guess this is what Lucy's fate would also be eventualy, if not killed by Van Helsing and gang. Originaly I planed to include it in my post, but somehow forgot, and then I decided not to edit, since well... I'm lazy
Also to those that have not read it yet, I would recomend to read the Dracula. It's written in interasting "diary form (?)" I guess. I know that's a genre, but idk what's it called, and I haven't read many other novels like that. Today I discovered, actualy there's hi-tech version of that:
Here is the link to pdf. version of the entire novel. Just DL it, and read it on your e-reader, or directly on your PC. It's free e-book so don't worry
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted March 31, 2015 07:09 PM |
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Zombi_Wizzard said:
Ok guys. Since you're apparenty all to young, here's some trivia, from the Wizzard (me), about Vampires:
First and foremost. Whoever claims female Vampires are not tr00 Vampires, or that they were invented by D&D or Twilight, dosen't know what he/she is talking about, and probably dosen't know much about Vampires and Vampire literature AT ALL. But that's ok. I'm here to help . To start of...
Carmilla was first novel about Vampires, as we know them (human and not mythological spirit ones), that I know of. Written by Le'Fanu, it came more than 2 decades before Dracula. In fact, Stoker, was fan of Le'Fanu's Carmilla, and was inspired by this work, when writing Dracula. Carmilla is Dracula's predecesor. She is lesbian Vampiress.
In the novel, the erotic stuff is very toned down, tho. Still, for the time it was written, it was considered taboo and shocking. Having read the book myself, it's not very much for todays standards. You could say it only includes hints of eroticism. The book is very short, unlike Dracula, so I highly recomend it. It does have a great gothic atmosphere to it, that you would enjoy, if you like classical Vampire stuff.
So. There you go. The first ever Vampire novel was erotic horror novel about homosexual female Vampiress.
Well with all respect for your knowledge (and I don't mean that sarcastically, because you truely do know a lot more about vampire literature than I do, even if I'll make the claim that vampire (or vampiric) mythology dates back way before those books you reference), but - instead of starting that discussion, I'd rather say: I think that's sort of irrelevant in this case. Because for me, it does not matter so much whether there are stories of female vampires going way back. The crucial point is: Where is the inspiration of the design they showed us taken from? And to me, the design they gave us simply screamed emo/goth/neo-whatever, with the pretty face, the elegant sword, the over-the-face hairdo, etc. And these associations are something I don't want in Heroes world.
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What will happen now?
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donatazz
Adventuring Hero
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posted March 31, 2015 07:16 PM |
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OmegaDestroyer said:
donatazz said:
OmegaDestroyer said:
Yeah, let's not go down this path. Perhaps you may want to rephrase that, donatazz?
Lets go down this path, Im not the one who went there. Word gay has manny meanings, one of which I used was quote
"Slang: Often Disparaging and Offensive. awkward, stupid, or bad; lame:
This game is boring and really, really gay."
If you interpreted it any other way, get your mind out of the gutter.
OK. We are going there. I asked you nicely to rephrase your comment because some may interpret it as offensive. What perplexes is me is your insistence upon using the term and ardent defense of its use after another poster was warned about it.
If you have any questions, concerns, or comments regarding language and the Codes of Conduct, I direct you towards the Turban Tribunal. For now, this is the only warning I am giving you.
consider me warned, may we get back at topic at hand now?
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted March 31, 2015 07:41 PM |
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I frankly dont understand how is the Night Lady emo looking just because some of the hair is over her eye. Is Ornella emo looking? Or Jessica Rabbit? Going by your logic they must be
Sorry to break your bubble, but with the exception of Orlok, the pop culture relevant vampires (aka the place Heroes draws stuff from, not mythology or foklore directly) have always been good looking most of the time.
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artu
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted March 31, 2015 07:48 PM |
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alcibiades said:
Zombi_Wizzard said:
Ok guys. Since you're apparenty all to young, here's some trivia, from the Wizzard (me), about Vampires:
First and foremost. Whoever claims female Vampires are not tr00 Vampires, or that they were invented by D&D or Twilight, dosen't know what he/she is talking about, and probably dosen't know much about Vampires and Vampire literature AT ALL. But that's ok. I'm here to help . To start of...
Carmilla was first novel about Vampires, as we know them (human and not mythological spirit ones), that I know of. Written by Le'Fanu, it came more than 2 decades before Dracula. In fact, Stoker, was fan of Le'Fanu's Carmilla, and was inspired by this work, when writing Dracula. Carmilla is Dracula's predecesor. She is lesbian Vampiress.
In the novel, the erotic stuff is very toned down, tho. Still, for the time it was written, it was considered taboo and shocking. Having read the book myself, it's not very much for todays standards. You could say it only includes hints of eroticism. The book is very short, unlike Dracula, so I highly recomend it. It does have a great gothic atmosphere to it, that you would enjoy, if you like classical Vampire stuff.
So. There you go. The first ever Vampire novel was erotic horror novel about homosexual female Vampiress.
Well with all respect for your knowledge (and I don't mean that sarcastically, because you truely do know a lot more about vampire literature than I do, even if I'll make the claim that vampire (or vampiric) mythology dates back way before those books you reference), but - instead of starting that discussion, I'd rather say: I think that's sort of irrelevant in this case. Because for me, it does not matter so much whether there are stories of female vampires going way back. The crucial point is: Where is the inspiration of the design they showed us taken from? And to me, the design they gave us simply screamed emo/goth/neo-whatever, with the pretty face, the elegant sword, the over-the-face hairdo, etc. And these associations are something I don't want in Heroes world.
He says "the first novel" which is different than mythology, funny thing is, the gothic novels of 19th century can be considered Twilights of their day, they were considered light fiction for the masses and involved a lot of modernization of the mythical elements themselves. However, they were much more tasteful and werent meant for 13 yo girls. About the particular vampiress in the poll, I agree.
@ZW
It's called the Epistolary Novel and it was a pretty popular style back in the day, kind of like the Blair Witch project of its time. Even Dostoyevsky's first novel is written in that form.
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Are you pretty? This is my occasion. - Ghost
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Sandro400
Promising
Supreme Hero
Shadow of Death
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posted March 31, 2015 08:07 PM |
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I simply can't understand what's wrong with sword. Why you're so against sword (or any weapon, it seems) wielding Vampires?
As for me, both versions are viable and I certainly can understand why Vampires, being sentient... "race", use weapons as well.
Even Spiders in the line-up haven't received such hate.
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Let's play poker game, lich-style!
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Zombi_Wizzard
Famous Hero
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posted March 31, 2015 08:21 PM |
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alcibiades said:
the design they gave us simply screamed emo/goth/neo-whatever, with the pretty face, the elegant sword, the over-the-face hairdo, etc. And these associations are something I don't want in Heroes world.
I agree with that. The female vampiresses I was refrencing are way diferent than the one presented by Ubi, and was not main reason for my vote. The neo-goth/emo look is true for all 3 designs tho, not just female. I guess I'm just more confortable with feminine women than with feminine men lol. But to me, I'm not too passionate about the final result, even tho it may look like. I'm way more concerned that green dragon dosen't fly (yes, I can't be silent about that). All 3 Vampires are Ubi Vampires. Other than that, I mostly voted for Night Lady just for kicks, as to not give blood monster such an easy win. I'm far more dissatisfied with lich vote, belive it or not, even tho all 3 are good. I was realy hoping for mummy there. But realy I'm ok with blood monster, as I don't care much either way. Was fun to vote nevertheless I will accept and be happy with Necropolis as it is.
You are quite correct, that even tho, I may know some stuff (which is still very little), this is irelevant to the HoMM vampire, as he has got hardly anything in common with regular vampire, who is not a warrior at all, and dosen't fight in army nor does he form cohesive battle units with hundereds of other vampires. So this means classic vampires are out of the question completly anyway.
My post was also not targeted for you specificaly, altho I hope, and am happy, if you found any new information in it . It was mostly geared towards people, that seem to think that gender is somehow important with Vampires, and that female Vampires are somehow not "real vampires". Thing is tho, anyone can become a vampire, given proper procedure/ritual, no mater the sex or proffesion or anything realy. However it is true, that in fiction most female vampires use their power of seduction and deception are not realy fighters. Which is true for male vampires aswell.
artu said:
It's called the Epistolary Novel
Thanx. I may not know how to pronounce it, but ill try to remember anyway
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted April 01, 2015 12:19 AM |
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Sandro400 said:
I simply can't understand what's wrong with sword. Why you're so against sword (or any weapon, it seems) wielding Vampires?
As for me, both versions are viable and I certainly can understand why Vampires, being sentient... "race", use weapons as well.
Even Spiders in the line-up haven't received such hate.
I'll quote myself from page 11 of this very topic:
Quote:
One of the key components that makes a Vampire a Vampire in my eyes is the ability to drink its victim's blood. Last time I checked, a Sword wasn't an extension of a Vampire's mouth.
I'm fine with a Vampire wielding a sword, but then either get rid of the life drain ability (as it's then no more than a swordsman after all) or make it look like he's drinking his victim's blood after gutting it with his sword.
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Genyaarikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted April 01, 2015 02:22 AM |
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or better put, nothing at all.
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Protolisk
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted April 01, 2015 02:32 AM |
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Maurice said:
One of the key components that makes a Vampire a Vampire in my eyes is the ability to drink its victim's blood. Last time I checked, a Sword wasn't an extension of a Vampire's mouth.
I'm fine with a Vampire wielding a sword, but then either get rid of the life drain ability (as it's then no more than a swordsman after all) or make it look like he's drinking his victim's blood after gutting it with his sword.
So, if there is a Blood Monster using his claws only, not biting, but never licking the claws afterward, you'd still be angry, correct?
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Sandro400
Promising
Supreme Hero
Shadow of Death
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posted April 01, 2015 02:34 AM |
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With a little imagination it's easy to picture the actual battle, in which Vampires also bite their enemies when they need to heal. Jr do you think that all Vampire Knights just swing their swords with only one motion?
And before you say anything, Heroes never was a realistic game anyway (in terms of visuals).
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Let's play poker game, lich-style!
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted April 01, 2015 07:20 AM |
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The only "biting" vampire was H4 one and even then that vampire literally sucked so its not like H5 and on was doing something different.
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