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magnomagus
Admirable
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posted September 16, 2017 08:16 PM |
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After map is generated and patched with reanimation, copy the map in the folder of the other PC (don't let the game generate it), if this doesn't work I think dredknight might know what is going on.
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dredknight
Honorable
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disrupting the moding industry
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posted September 16, 2017 08:32 PM |
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dicanio
Tavern Dweller
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posted September 16, 2017 09:59 PM |
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I tried using this guide and still same thing. It happens when second player is trying to join.
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thGryphn
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted September 17, 2017 01:05 AM |
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Edited by thGryphn at 01:54, 17 Sep 2017.
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Nargott said:
magnomagus said:
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Fire dragons and Firehounds have the same ability but the description says it works different for both of them.
This is correct, the behavior of the ability is defined by the pattern attack file which is different for both units
<DamageToMainTargetCoefficient>1</DamageToMainTargetCoefficient>
<DamageToOtherTargetsCoefficient>0.75</DamageToOtherTargetsCoefficient>
<DamageAll>false</DamageAll>
The description is correct except info about allies was missing.
I think this is very strange that the "same ability" have 3 (!) strong different sides:
1) triple breathe from dogs against single breathe from dragons
2) deal no damage to allies from dogs (very important!)
3) dogs deal 75% damage to all secondary targets including targets from another ability
On the other hand, Spray Attack and Three-Headed Attack have the same effect with no difference at all, but different names.
Or Whirlwhind and Hydra's attack.
Also, basic Hydra has no Three-Headed Attack in terms of cerberi (3 tiles). Hydra has Half-Round Attack (6 tiles). But... in Six-Headed Attack there is description of targeting 6 tiles instead of all 12 tiles? This is a mistake or you change abilities of Hydras?
I propose to make a single ability name and description for firedogs, instead of three-headed attack + breathe attack. Because it seems much clearer.
Yes, there is a conflict with Hydra's ability names and what the ability does. Theirs is actually a six-tile attack, so it should probably named to "Half-Circle Attack" or more literally "Six-Tile Attack" since they actually have only three heads (so "Six-Headed Attack" wouldn't work).
Upgraded Hydra's do attack all adjacent opponents, which is 12 tiles as opposed to 6 tiles as the name kinda suggests. So their ability should probably be named to "Full-Circle Attack" or "All-Around Attack".
Other than these, Firehound's ability in fact inflict 75% damage to all targets other than the main target. To be sure, Firehound has six targets; one main, two secondary (adjacent), three second-in-line. Only the main gets 100% damage, and there is no way to specify that only the second-in-line targets get 75% damage. I suggest that this attack pattern gets renamed to "Firetorrent" with a detailed description stating that the creature "bites its main target inflicting full damage and sends a three-way torrent of fire that deals 75% damage to opponents in a two-tile radius". So, yeah, drop "Three-headed Attack" and "Fire Breath" from this creature.
Edit: Maybe Whirlwind can also be renamed to "Half-Circle Attack" so there is no confusion as to what the difference is (since there is none).
So, we would have these attack patterns properly defined:
1) Normal attack
2) Spray attack (three-tile attack to adjacent opponents)
3) Half-circle attack (six-tile attack to adjacent opponents)
4) Full-circle attack (attack all adjacent opponents)
5) Firetorrent (you know...)
6) Fire Breath (classic, damages foe and friend)
7) Prismatic Breath (that chaotic pattern that only damages opponents)
8) Liquid Flame Breath (the initial attack is like fire breath, only it does not damage allies; but the little fire wall left on those two tiles does deal damage to all parties).
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magnomagus
Admirable
Legendary Hero
modding wizard
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posted September 17, 2017 01:47 AM |
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@Dicanio: Are you using Hamachi client, I believe there were issue with that one?
@ThGryphn: good to see you are still here, but it is not possible to give firehounds a different ability name and description, because of a hardcoded issue.
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thGryphn
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted September 17, 2017 02:16 AM |
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magnomagus said:
@Dicanio: Are you using Hamachi client, I believe there were issue with that one?
@ThGryphn: good to see you are still here, but it is not possible to give firehounds a different ability name and description, because of a hardcoded issue.
I've been lurking 
How about...
1) Give the Cerberus the ABILITY_SPRAY_ATTACK (instead of ABILITY_THREE_HEADED_ATTACK) and rename that ability to "Three-tile Attack"
2) Give Hydra's the ABILITY_WHIRLWIND (same as Rakshasa second upgrade), as that is exactly what it has, and remove ABILITY_THREE_HEADED_ATTACK. Rename that ability to "Half-Circle Attack".
3) Now nobody has the ABILITY_THREE_HEADED_ATTACK, so rename it to "Firetorrent" for Firehounds, and remove from them ABILITY_FIREBREATH.
4) Rename ABILITY_SIX_HEADED_ATTACK to "Full-Circle Attack"
Problem solved, I think...
Edit: In my previous post, I left War Dancer's ability out. It is similar to Whirlwind except it deals half damage to all tiles other than the main.
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Skeggy
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted September 17, 2017 03:07 AM |
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dicanio
Tavern Dweller
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posted September 17, 2017 10:03 AM |
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magnomagus
Admirable
Legendary Hero
modding wizard
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posted September 17, 2017 11:37 AM |
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@dicanio: when you said some h55 maps work, were you talking about maps that have name start with 'h55..' or are the only maps working multiplayer maps from the original game??
@ThGryphn: Sounds like an awful lot of work for a minor issue, I cannot be sure any of these abilities do not have additional programming attached to them or are just description place holders. So lots of testing.
Also not a fan of 'firetorrent', sounds like name for new bittorrent client. All these abilities end with ..Attack name anyway.
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Nargott
Known Hero
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posted September 17, 2017 12:34 PM |
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In WGE I called this ability as Hell Breathe.
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dicanio
Tavern Dweller
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posted September 17, 2017 12:48 PM |
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I meant some maps starting with h55 work.
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magnomagus
Admirable
Legendary Hero
modding wizard
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posted September 17, 2017 01:33 PM |
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@Dicanio: Then perhaps it is possible to unzip the .h5m file and then rezip it with .pak extension and place it in data folder.
The file Rc3Demomaps is compressed like that and contains all h55 demo maps, they can be removed by the user if no longer desired.
Of course same rule still applies, both computers should end up with identical data,Maps and UserMODs folders.
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dicanio
Tavern Dweller
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posted September 17, 2017 03:42 PM |
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Well, nothing is working, i guess just uninstalling this mod is easier way.
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thGryphn
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted September 17, 2017 06:47 PM |
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Nargott said:
In WGE I called this ability as Hell Breathe.
I like Hellbreath!
@magno: I'll do it in a pak file and do some testing. If there are hardcoded issues, it's a no-go obviously...
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magnomagus
Admirable
Legendary Hero
modding wizard
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posted September 17, 2017 07:11 PM |
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I can live with hellbreath, but six-headed is still more immersive than full-circle (makes it sound more like an acrobatic move), also are hydras not limited to attacking 3 and 6 targets?
Basically all ability names can remain fitting the creature if I just fix the descripions of the hydras, so still don't see what this all about.
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thGryphn
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posted September 17, 2017 08:49 PM |
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No, that's the thing, Hydra (base) supposedly has three heads and therefore three-headed attack, but it attacks six tiles (half the circle around them). Also, upgraded ones have six heads and supposedly six-headed attack, but they attack 12 tiles (all tiles around them). Hence the need for a change somewhere. Either change the ability names and descriptions, or change the abilities such that base Hydra attacks only three tiles and upgraded ones attack six tiles.
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magnomagus
Admirable
Legendary Hero
modding wizard
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posted September 17, 2017 10:24 PM |
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Alright if you are willing to test all this and deliver me updated creaturepedia and the 5 folders with updated names and descriptions for overwriting then I'm willing to play along.
But if you just want me to clarify 2 descriptions and let it go, then I will do just that.
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thGryphn
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted September 18, 2017 11:20 PM |
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Edited by thGryphn at 23:21, 18 Sep 2017.
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Done!
Creature Ability Changes I Mentioned Above
So, what's done:
1) Remove ABILITY_THREE_HEADED_ATTACK from Cerberus and give it ABILITY_SPRAY_ATTACK, and rename that latter ability to "Three-Tile Attack"
2) Remove ABILITY_THREE_HEADED_ATTACK from Hydra (base) and give it ABILITY_WHIRLWIND. As said above, the creature in fact attacked a six-tile area, not three. ABILITY_WHIRLWIND is still named "Whirlwind"
3) Remove ABILITY_FIRE_BREATH from Firehound. Rename ABILITY_THREE_HEADED_ATTACK to "Hellbreath" and provide a detailed description of its attack pattern.
4) Rename ABILITY_SIX_HEADED_ATTACK to "Mass Assault" with an improved description.
5) Improve the descriptions of "Breath Attack" and "Liquid Flame Breath"
6) Do testing to make sure it all works as intended.
7) Update Creaturepedia files accordingly.
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magnomagus
Admirable
Legendary Hero
modding wizard
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posted September 19, 2017 01:58 PM |
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Thanks
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the creature in fact attacked a six-tile area
Have you also considered the possibility, the creature was attacking a maximum of 3 targets in a six-tile area?
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thGryphn
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted September 19, 2017 03:12 PM |
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magnomagus said:
Thanks
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the creature in fact attacked a six-tile area
Have you also considered the possibility, the creature was attacking a maximum of 3 targets in a six-tile area?
Yep, knew it from experience but did the testing to make sure; base Hydra hit 6 tiles (up to 6 creatures) and upgraded ones hit all 12 tiles around them.
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