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LizardWarrior
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posted May 20, 2016 12:37 AM

Thank you all for all the suggestions, I read all of them and I made a general idea about what I should do with every unit. Also h3 fortress is gonna take its rightful place and kick out the impostor

Also, look who's back from the moon

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posted May 20, 2016 12:55 AM

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posted May 20, 2016 07:42 AM

Ooh H3 fortress! Speaking of which, I would love to see a dragonfly unit again!

So we have gnolls, wyverns, hydras, basilisks, the lizardmen are on their way.. What about the mighty gorgons? Any hope for them?
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posted May 20, 2016 09:12 AM

Elvin said:
What about the mighty gorgons? Any hope for them?


I think if we wait for the expansion, the Magma Elemental in the Fortress line-up could be reskinned for that purpose?
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posted May 20, 2016 02:37 PM

LizardWarrior said:
Thank you all for all the suggestions, I read all of them and I made a general idea about what I should do with every unit. Also h3 fortress is gonna take its rightful place and kick out the impostor

Also, look who's back from the moon



Great job mate, you finished him!

I'm sorry I didn't finish him when I was working on him, but I'm happy that you took on the model.

And it looks better than what I was expecting.
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posted May 20, 2016 03:36 PM

Great work!

If you need some help with textures, let me know.

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posted May 20, 2016 03:42 PM

LizardWarrior said:
Yes, paladins will be champions . I have more creatures to tweak/balance/give abilities/whatever. So I'd gladly accept ideas for those:

- zombies and mummies, what abilities should I give them, what role should they accomplish, they replace spiders which I think were the lvl 3 creature (or top core as people like to call lvl 3 these days )
- wraiths instead of ghosts or instead of lamasu? Should haunted armor get lamasu's place and edit the wraith a little to replace the ghost? what abilities should I give them, what role should they fulfill, how should I balance them?
- blood dragons should act differently from ghost dragons? maybe I should add vampire's life steal or something to make them more "bloody"
- dungeon spiders, they replace stabby elves, lvl 1 creature (weak core) I suppose. Should I change their stats and such?
- beholders replace shootery elves, what new things/stats should they get?
- Minotaurs are okay as they are I suppose, no?
- since griffins are elite and replace striders, what new abilities should they get (except flying duh ), should they be an offensive flyer or a winged tank?
- should I make red dragons/blackies the powerhouses they were in the past again? or they already are?
- should gremlins act like cabirs or do they need some changes
- dragon golems, neutrals or replacing something? what abilities and I think they should act fulfill the role of tanks and retaliation soakers, but idk exactly
- ogres/ogre magi, see above
- fairy dragons ditto
- grass doge, I mean cu sith -"-
- should Erwin's meme team be the most OP faction


1. Zombies: Unfettered - The ability fits as they are mindless enough not to get moved by anything.
- Mummies: Curse attack or a chance to inflict Agony with their attack. Or Agony can be an active ability and they get poison attack like the Spiders.
2. If there is chance for Ghosts to get Incorporeal, leave them where they are. Wraiths could replace the Lamassu and get Face of Fear ability or No retaliation to their attacks. Even Life Drain could work but then 3 units with life drain might be too much.
3. Haunted Armor should get the Strider aura ability making all adjacent units more vulnerable to dark attack and abilities. Also, maybe a sweep ability or something like that.
-Haunted Armor and Wraiths should replace Lamassu and the user should choose between them. Wraiths will be more aggressive units while haunted armor should be slower but more durable.
4. Blood Dragons should be slower, weaker but more than ghost dragons. After all they are a form of zombie dragon right? As such, a kind of poison attack would be nice. Life drain would work better on the ghost dragon instead of the blood dragon to be honest.
5. Spiders should be quick and do something to reduce movement of the enemy, maybe entangle with their attacks or something like that. Poison could also work, but since they are living spiders, maybe they should use their webs for something. The ability of heroes VI Skeleton Archers would have been good for them.
6. I think the winged tank would work better on Haven. Winged powerhouse is more suited for Dungeon i guess. If they are bloodthirsty, opportunity retaliation could work fine i think.
7. Beholders can have a magic resistance or magic immunity ability i guess and full range.
8. Minos are quite nice yeah, one of the stronger units of the game.
9. Red/Black Dragons could have their strength increased but then, there should be something to allow the Hydra to still be a potent alternative. Maybe more initiative or movement, or a better life drain?
10. Gremlins can act as Cabirs but without the fire immunity. Their ability is unique enough to allow them to be just fine.
11. Dragon Golems should be an elite construct allowing the gremlins to be more efficient in all tiers. I would like them to be an alternative to either the genies or the disciples and act as tanks since the Academy lineup doesn't have a tank in its elite tier. But abilities for them can be hard to think about. Maybe no retaliation? or it might be too much with Raksasha having the same? Dunno...
12. Ogre Magi should replace Whyverns. As they are now they are pathetic in my opinion. They can either be shooters or support units with no melee penalty, having abilities such as Frenzy or Inner fire or any one support and one offensive.
13. I'd like Cu sith to be an alternative to the dryads or replace them. Make it smaller to fit one tile and the unit can have entangle attack or earth resistance or even regeneration.
14. I still think that the Crusader/Paladin should have an Aura as an ability. Giving him the Sun Deer aura buff will make him much more useful since him being an offensive unit, other creatures can benefit by being around him. Double attack could be overkill for a champion unit even if it is a weaker one but opportunity retaliation or opportunity attack could work.

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The_green_drag
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posted May 20, 2016 04:22 PM

Should haunted armor be a flying unit?

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LizardWarrior
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posted May 20, 2016 08:56 PM

I want to thank you all for the so needed feedback about balancing and abilities. I will try to find a middle ground between opposing views.

Neraus said:

Great job mate, you finished him!

I'm sorry I didn't finish him when I was working on him, but I'm happy that you took on the model.

And it looks better than what I was expecting.


He's not the hero we deserve, he's the hero we need



btw Sandro's next

nessich said:
Great work!

If you need some help with textures, let me know.


Nice, any kind of help is always welcome

The_green_drag said:
Should haunted armor be a flying unit?


Elvin said that an elite walker would suit Necropolis playstyle better, but being a flyer would indeed make more sense. So not sure

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posted May 21, 2016 10:16 AM

I think if the haunted armor is an elite creature then a walker is good, if its the strong core then it should be a flyer.

Necro kinda lacks mobility atm with Vampire lords and optional grim riders being its only fast unit with over 5 movement. That's where an elite wraith would be a nice fit i think. I already use the whole core tier for wasting retaliations and what not. One unit that can cross the field at least when attacking large units would be great to have. the upgrade could have no retaliation since vamp lords dont have that anymore, along with some kind of incorporeal ability.

This would also keep necropolis very flier heavy, which makes sense given its the faction of the dead. Haven and Sylvan are already pretty much all ground troops. And I'm growing fond of the idea to have dragon golem replace the genie in academy (maybe throw genie lamps back on the adventure map like h1-2 style) which would give their elite tier a construct, making gremlins more useful. Not to mention it would add some much needed change for the academy line up. Also not a lot of balancing would be needed as genies had more hp & lower production that the other normal elites, just trade the ability to fly for some extra defense.

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LizardWarrior
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posted May 22, 2016 11:55 AM
Edited by LizardWarrior at 13:31, 22 May 2016.

Erwin's arch-nemesis is here


And he laughs at your puny mounts


Sandro is contemplating why heroes series has degraded so much (ignore the might affiliation, I forgot to change it )


The_Green_Drag said:
I think if the haunted armor is an elite creature then a walker is good, if its the strong core then it should be a flyer.


It's a pretty hard decision, it would look better as an elite tank in my opinion, I suppose vampires act someway like this because they got life-drain, but they seem more offensive to me. But role-wise it could be a fast core flier too, but then what would it replace? Perhaps the ghost and it could be a flying tank?

The_Green_Drag said:

Necro kinda lacks mobility atm with Vampire lords and optional grim riders being its only fast unit with over 5 movement. That's where an elite wraith would be a nice fit i think. I already use the whole core tier for wasting retaliations and what not. One unit that can cross the field at least when attacking large units would be great to have. the upgrade could have no retaliation since vamp lords dont have that anymore, along with some kind of incorporeal ability.


If it stays elite, the wraith could be more of an offensive flier, perhaps even a glass cannon where you need to attack before you get attacked. Low hp, but maybe incorporeal or something to make up for this. No retaliation sounds fitting, but maybe perhaps a fear ability? Not sure if it's realizable, but maybe some percentage based ability to freeze enemy units.

The_Green_Drag said:

This would also keep necropolis very flier heavy, which makes sense given its the faction of the dead. Haven and Sylvan are already pretty much all ground troops. And I'm growing fond of the idea to have dragon golem replace the genie in academy (maybe throw genie lamps back on the adventure map like h1-2 style) which would give their elite tier a construct, making gremlins more useful. Not to mention it would add some much needed change for the academy line up. Also not a lot of balancing would be needed as genies had more hp & lower production that the other normal elites, just trade the ability to fly for some extra defense.


I'm not sure if dragon golem should replace genies, balance wise I'm not sure but they seem to be more support/offensive oriented as well as faster than the rest, if I'm not mistaken. Perhaps we can give Stronghold thunderbirds based on Simurgh as champion instead of cyclops, so Stronghold won't have to chose between 2 offensive walkers and give Academy the dragon golem as champion as a tank option to the titan.

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posted May 22, 2016 01:54 PM

LizardWarrior said:




THAT is so awesome! Not sure I like the skull in the chest though.
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Elvin
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posted May 22, 2016 02:21 PM

You're kidding This is brilliant!
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The_Green_Drag
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posted May 22, 2016 04:37 PM

LizardWarrior said:

The_Green_Drag said:
I think if the haunted armor is an elite creature then a walker is good, if its the strong core then it should be a flyer.


It's a pretty hard decision, it would look better as an elite tank in my opinion, I suppose vampires act someway like this because they got life-drain, but they seem more offensive to me. But role-wise it could be a fast core flier too, but then what would it replace? Perhaps the ghost and it could be a flying tank?


Yeah it is a hard choice with only three elite slots. They both would make cool elite units. Honestly I'm all for any change to the line up, even if it means drop the vampire or lich down to the core tier so wraith and haunted armor could both be elites. Necro gets few new units. Never liked vampires being the 6th tier anyways.  

LizardWarrior said:

If it stays elite, the wraith could be more of an offensive flier, perhaps even a glass cannon where you need to attack before you get attacked. Low hp, but maybe incorporeal or something to make up for this. No retaliation sounds fitting, but maybe perhaps a fear ability? Not sure if it's realizable, but maybe some percentage based ability to freeze enemy units.


Exactly what I was thinking, a fast, mobile glass cannon unit.

LizardWarrior said:

I'm not sure if dragon golem should replace genies, balance wise I'm not sure but they seem to be more support/offensive oriented as well as faster than the rest, if I'm not mistaken. Perhaps we can give Stronghold thunderbirds based on Simurgh as champion instead of cyclops, so Stronghold won't have to chose between 2 offensive walkers and give Academy the dragon golem as champion as a tank option to the titan.


Genies sadly are no longer genies....these djinn imposters have above average speed like the genie, but not the high movement they once had. And instead of having kinda low hp for its tier, now it has the highest hp for its tier at a whomping 75, second place being striders with 60. low stats with seven defense and attack is a mere five so its damage output is low making its ability (gain mana for every kill) inefficient. Really I just hardly use them but I guess the whole faction would be really slow if they got replaced. If you wanted to turn them back into genies though that would be great

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posted May 22, 2016 05:14 PM
Edited by LizardWarrior at 00:10, 23 May 2016.

Vampires strong elites Beefy genies? Oh my, the game is more of a mess than I thought. I got one tough idea, what about getting rid of all this pseudo 3-tier system and just draw clear lines between units and go back to 7 levels. Would this mess the choice-based growth buildings? If so, I will see if it can be fixed. I don't want to promise too much, but I will try to see if it's possible to add more dwellings in towns

edit: I tried to improve the dragon golem and the gremlin, nothing much just some things changed here and there. Too lazy to implement them in the game at this late hour, tomorrow I will show some in-game screens with them.




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Maurice
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posted May 23, 2016 10:18 AM

They're shaping up nicely, Lizzy!
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posted May 27, 2016 08:55 PM

Here's the master gremlin.

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posted May 27, 2016 09:14 PM

Looks lovely but a grin might suit them better
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posted May 27, 2016 09:48 PM

My God, why is the goblin head so ugly -.-

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