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Thread: Duel Map Friendly N00b Tourney! This thread is 19 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 · NEXT»
Elvin
Elvin


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What if Elvin was female?
posted October 22, 2016 06:24 PM bonus applied by kiryu133 on 11 Dec 2016.
Edited by Elvin at 22:06, 05 Dec 2016.

Duel Map Friendly N00b Tourney!

Missing a proper heroes experience since Tribes 3.1? Then this friendly tourney is just for you! No need to be an expert, just hop in and have fun.

I chose H5 because it has the richest gameplay of all recent heroes and after hundreds and hundreds of testing and balancing hours I can promise an enjoyable experience

Round 2 Version

Cup of the Fallen Map!


Second Round Strikeouts


Things you should know about the tourney!

The tourney requires Tribes of the East, version 3.1.
The map takes 5-15 mins of preparation and then you have the final battle. Not very time consuming.
Qp(s) and Achievements may be involved ^^
We will use gameranger, hamachi or tunngle to connect via lan.
After a game please save the replay and post it here or send it to me over skype.

I will happily help anyone who wishes for some practice. I will not participate directly but the winner of the final will face me as the Final Boss of the tourney

Things you should know about the map!

There has been a major overhaul of the game so don't worry if you don't remember the game well Noteworthy changes:

- Rebalanced units, spells, skills, artifacts.
- Ability requirements have been simplified to give greater freedom in developing your build. Ie warlock's luck only requires erratic mana that is now a core luck ability.
- Extreme luck/morale/initiative/damaging effects have been toned down in favour of more interesting and varied games.
- Spellpower now improves all spells including buffs and curses!
- All ingame descriptions have been updated so there is no need to study any changelogs. Be sure to read descriptions and signs!
- Each player has access to 2 artifact merchants, 2 of each magic shrine, an arcane library and 4 quest hunts each offering a free magic skill of your choice(possible to pick only one).



RULES!

Round 1 Deadline: Subject to change depending on last moment joiners. Right now, a duration of 04-20 November should be more than enough.

Faction: Mutual agreement with your opponent. Selected or random is fine with me.

Terrain: Players should pick a terrain that is non-native for both because native terrain gives +1 attack and +1 defense.

Match Arrangements: In the past there have been incidents of players claiming not to find their opponent on msn/skype/chat, while their opponent said they were not absent. To avoid such misunderstandings, please post your challenges here for all to see.

Disconnections/Crashes/Reloads: First off, we play with simultaneous turns and autosave to save time. Two autosaves are required(both players end turn), one when the game begins and when one of the players is ready. If you want more safety, one more save right before the battle in case someone forgets to buy warmachines, learn spells, set up racial or visit the magic well.

- If someone does forget one of those and realizes the moment the battle starts, he may reload.

- If the battle has started and there is a d/c or crash, you'll have to replay 1) Battle should take place at the exact same spot on the map 2) creature placement will have to be the same 3) both players should make the exact same moves(creature or hero actions). Keeping a replay can help. If the above circumstances are not met, the obstacles, luck/morale rolls and order of initiative will be different.

- If you cannot replay exactly, the two players can agree to have the battle on a different spot. That would reset initiative, luck/morale rolls and obstacles, resulting in a different battle. If the battle was in endgame when it was interrupted and the players agree on the outcome, you may not replay. I can help with the evaluating of the replay.




MATCHUP RESULTS

I will be updating this with every report.


PARTICIPANTS

     
frostymuaddib


       
Gameslayer989
(Gameslayer989)


       
Stevie


   
The_Green_Drag


   
DIEGIS
(zamolxes1973)


   
Palingenesis
(Jugenam)


   
Aionb
(Jim B)


   
LordMichal
(lordmichal2011)




   
MonsterMash

   
Elvin
(Elvin224)




ACHIEVEMENTS

Badge of Swiftness
First to join the fray! First to exit the fray too!

Poly Slayer
3/3 poly victories

Librarian
Youtube recording for future generations to savour epic matches.

Slippery
HC hammer, can't touch this.

Master Exploder
Likes destructive a bit too much.

Dark Phoenix
Vampiric phoenix ftw

Elemental Balance
Surprise!

Bloodlust!
Keeps going even when all seems lost. Maim burn kill!

Retribution
Epic seraph divine vengeance after just one turn!

Lightning Rod
Witch doctors with a passion for science!

Farmers of Hate
When a group of brutes can take down 5 red dragons, who needs dragon slayers?

Poison Master
Poison + decay + corrupted soil yess.

Lock and Load!
Ballista abuser.

Disruptor
Awarded for the brilliant plan to first curse necro and then nuke at leisure.

Djinn Kamikaze!
You don't see djinns on kamikaze mode every day!

Mark of Fire
Awarded for prioritizing mark of fire over fireball with dwarven priests.

Prismatic Precision
Prismatic breath takes out ballista and tent in one go!

Guest Star!
MonsterMash was kind enough to cover for frosty

Final Boss
Last man standing faces the final boss!
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Elvin
Elvin


Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
What if Elvin was female?
posted October 22, 2016 06:24 PM
Edited by Elvin at 12:18, 02 Nov 2016.

Map Features

- Army strength is that of week 5.
- The sphinx gives lvl 20, just say yes.
- Memory mentor to deal with bad level ups.
- Two artifact merchants past the teleporter. Certain artifacts are tweaked or banned for balance purposes.
- Non-stronghold heroes can pick a magic skill for free, orcs can pick shatter dark.
- Each side has two magic shrines of each level, plus an arcane library.
- Magic well is in the battlefield area.
- All heroes start with basic racial and their specials have been disabled. No starting warmachines.

Magic!

Summoned elementals now have t5 stats and always have positive morale.
Phoenix cannot be scared or mind-controlled. Always positive morale and immunity to fire/water.
Firewall returns to summoning.
Animate dead, regeneration moved to tier 3.
Dungeon has dark instead of summoning!
Buffs/curses now improve with spellpower.
Armageddon, curse of the netherworld, word of light, divine vengeance, rune of charge, horde's anger are banned.

Racials!

HAVEN: There is a training cap of 30 and you may not train priests into cavaliers. Training costs scale with counterstrike level.

INFERNO: Units that gate spend 50% of atb(like waiting) and after one turn gated units appear at 75% atb. That means they appear after 1.25 turns instead of 2 turns.

SYLVAN: Limited favoured enemies. Attack the creatures in your area to set up favoured enemies in town.

NECRO: Visit the altar of souls and accept 3 of the 7 available units. Necromancy bonus scales with necromancy level.

DUNGEON: Irresistible spells also improves elemental chains by +15/25/35%. This includes chains from might attacks.

ACADEMY: You are not allowed to create mini arties with more than 2 properties. So there is no reason to pick expert artificer.

FORTRESS: Rune of resurrection and dragonform have switched tiers. Also rune of charge is banned.

STRONGHOLD: Rage has been toned down a bit.
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frostymuaddib
frostymuaddib


Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
posted October 22, 2016 07:08 PM

I'm in

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Gameslayer989
Gameslayer989


Known Hero
Always looking for a fight!
posted October 22, 2016 07:10 PM

I have no idea what I am doing in heroes 5! I am in!

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Elvin
Elvin


Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
What if Elvin was female?
posted October 23, 2016 11:04 PM
Edited by Elvin at 22:33, 26 Oct 2016.

Welcome aboard guys

Some notes on the factions:

HAVEN

Only faction that can get empathy AND retribution. Defense and leadership recommended. Light or dark works fine. You can easily get +30 archers or vindicators from training but getting more than 15-20 priests will consume a lot of your gold!

*Can get max morale with benediction.

INFERNO

Attack and defense recommended. Same is true for luck, wm, leadership, light and dark though destructive can also work with succubus channellers. They give +sp bonus like high druids.

*Gated creatures start at 0 morale.

SYLVAN

Can work with every magic type when using high druids. Can also go full frontal charge or defensive, depending on your strategy. Note that imbuing arrow will delay your hero a bit and that when imbued ballista attacks your hero turn will reset. Empathy can help you act before the ballista. Also sorcery will not work with imbued spells, you must cast normally for it to work.

NECRO

Defensive play recommended as the opponent will want to come to you. Defense, sorcery, dark and/or summoning are good. Alternatively, a magic school with battle frenzy and vitality works great. Destructive is fine with your high spellpower. Necro is the only faction with access to plague tent from wm but not triple ballista or flaming arrows(ballista is crappy with your stats anyway). You also get ring of machine affinity which doubles your tent power.

DUNGEON

Offensive gameplay required, while your units can still deal damage. Destructive, luck and sorcery recommended. Dark, wm, defense and leadership also solid picks. Dinos and dragons a bit faster so they can mount a successful offense.

ACADEMY

Can work with any magic, offensively or defensively. Spellpower is not so high as to allow for direct spellcasting strategies, better to coordinate your spells with your units or in conjunction with mark of the wizard. Mark of the wizard is a good starter so that you can get double regeneration/arcane armour/resurrection early on. Or double destructive/obstacles for that matter. Worth noting that it's the only faction that can give wm positive morale.

FORTRESS

Can work offensively or defensively. Light or dark is good, summoning has the annoying arcane armour perk and destructive mostly relies on placing mark of fire with flamelord and priests(since your spellpower will be medium). You get a guaranteed fireball from the shrine. Defense, luck, leadership and wm are good. Sorcery mostly for destructive.

*Can get max morale with runic attunement.

STRONGHOLD

Mostly offensive so attack, leadership and defense are natural picks. Shout is really good, wm and luck are decent. Of shatters I'd recommend either light or dark as the others are not particularly needed. You have guaranteed shatter dark from the quest hut but dark may prove challenging still. Note that chieftains/executioners are now immune to mind effects and sky daughters can cast chain lightning from the start.

*Can get max morale with rallying cry.



Some notes on the skills:

- DESTRUCTIVE requires sorcery or at least empathy to be effective. Recommended sp is around 14+ though wizards can get by with less due to mark of the wizard, caster's luck and elemental gargoyles.

- SUMMONING also requires sorcery since it depends a lot on timing and combos. None of its spells has an instant effect but they can affect the opponent's moves or his momentum. Summoned units are stronger now but you may want to stall before calling them.

- WARMACHINES require attack and knowledge to be effective so the barbarian(50% att, 10% kn) and demonlord(45% att, 25% kn) are natural ballista users while the necromancer(10% att, 15% kn) not so much. To even the odds, factions with high ballista affinity get triple ballista, factions with medium ballista affinity get flaming arrows and necro skips ballista upgrades in favour of plague tent that deals fixed dmg. They also get ring of machine affinity for double plague dmg.
The tent can now heal 195hp, 10 times per combat. Necro tent can heal 390hp (or deal 390 dmg) with the ring.

Special note: Cold death insta-kills warmachines!
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markmasters
markmasters


Famous Hero
Dragon of justice
posted October 24, 2016 10:12 AM

I can't join now, but i have a simple request: reintroduce this around januari please (i'm abroad for internship till then).

Thanks for the initiative at least!

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Stevie
Stevie


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
posted October 24, 2016 11:04 PM

Hi.
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Elvin
Elvin


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What if Elvin was female?
posted October 24, 2016 11:55 PM

Friendly visit or friendly challenge?
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Stevie
Stevie


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Undefeatable Hero
posted October 25, 2016 12:22 AM

Both

Sounds cool enough, count me in, if I'm not intruding.
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Elvin


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What if Elvin was female?
posted October 25, 2016 12:13 PM

You will pay for your transgression! Also welcome!

You could actually help me with something, I have been testing the bloodrage values from magnomagus and my early impressions are good. I want to test how it fares vs a full frontal assault(sylvan or haven), vs dark(necro) and vs destructive(dungeon for high sp, academy for medium sp). If it passes the test I'm keeping the new values
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The_Green_Drag
The_Green_Drag


Supreme Hero
posted October 25, 2016 03:14 PM

ill join the tournament can't remember the last time I played h5 but the disc should be around here somewhere...

Not sure which factions to play. Probably Slyvan.

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Aionb
Aionb


Known Hero
posted October 25, 2016 09:43 PM

I'll sleep on it
I really can't remember when I ran H5 for the last time and the last online game must have been about 7 years ago but ... who's counting?
Anyway, the end of support for H7 must be commemorated in style - a H5 duel ball is in order, most probably I'm in.

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Elvin


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What if Elvin was female?
posted October 25, 2016 10:27 PM

Like you said, there is no better way to commemorate such an event. The reason I even considered returning to H5 after so long, was the H7 disappointment. I never planned to return but here we are and it has turned out for the better. I had missed the good old dueling days
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power of Zamolxis
posted October 26, 2016 12:19 PM

Hi Elvin,
For sake of old times, Im in!
Just that I can play on Monday evening and Tuesday all day; also Saturday evening and bit of Sunday.
I never played this arena in H5, so Im noob...not to mention I never played h5 in a long time
Pass me map if u got it...i hope i know what im doing when game starts..
thx!
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posted October 26, 2016 03:59 PM
Edited by The_Green_Drag at 16:58, 26 Oct 2016.

Do faction skills work with every unit under the hero's  control? Or is it only for units under the hero's faction. I'm curious because I may play academy with like a sylvan or stronghold hero

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Stevie
Stevie


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
posted October 26, 2016 05:38 PM

That's not possible, the hero you receive is aligned with the faction you select.
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The_Green_Drag
The_Green_Drag


Supreme Hero
posted October 26, 2016 08:17 PM

Yeah your starting hero is but I assumed we can get a different one from the tavern. I'm just not big into magic but I Iike playing academy and dungeon with might heroes.

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Stevie


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Undefeatable Hero
posted October 26, 2016 10:07 PM

Believe me you can't hire heroes, your town is pre-built and there's no tavern.
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What if Elvin was female?
posted October 26, 2016 10:16 PM

In the past there was a chaos cup where tavern was enabled along with all spells/artifacts. As you can imagine madness ensued When everything is allowed you can come up with some hilarious exploits.
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veco


Legendary Hero
who am I?
posted October 27, 2016 09:11 AM

But that's where all the fun was at, I even remember making a tourney with not only heroes but also creatures from other towns
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