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Thread: [Official Thread] HoMM 3: Horn of the Abyss - Ideas and Suggestions This Popular Thread is 190 pages long: 1 20 40 60 80 100 120 140 160 ... 180 181 182 183 184 ... 190 · «PREV / NEXT»
fred79
fred79


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posted December 06, 2021 05:15 PM

gentlemen, i have masterfully created the appropriate thread in the appropriate subforum. let us abscond there, and tarry not. tally-ho.

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FirePaladin
FirePaladin


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posted December 06, 2021 05:26 PM
Edited by FirePaladin at 19:10, 06 Dec 2021.

@NimoStar

That idea about Norse stuff isn't bad. It'd actually be part of a canon "faction", but it wouldn't be vikings (you may see me talking about it sometime later, fingers crossed). Actual viking as creatures (or more like, berserkers, as seen in H4) would be a part of Stronghold, which could be seen as a barren cold rocky place too. It's just how it is.

Exterminating ALL goblins had a good reason behind it, even though it was extreme. Kilgor was literally trying to eradicate everyone with his armies, and goblins were a plentiful force. And it wasn't only Castle exterminating the goblins, but also elves etc.

As for the overused grffins, dragons etc., tbh, they are ok as they are in H3, at least for me; just one griffin creature, an alright amount of dragons for factions. And Green/Gold Dragons are a variation of the Eastern dragons, as you can see from the moustache and spikes, among other details I suppose.

Also, may I remind you that there's a black hero in Castle? There's also the Dark Elves of Jadame and whatnot, who are black and are great tradesmen.
Don't worry though. There's plenty of other fantasy tropes related to other cultures in the world of MM. It's just that they weren't explored yet in H3 and HotA insists on exploring wild west instead of those. Oh well.

@fred79

Thanks for making that thread!



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fred79
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posted December 06, 2021 05:50 PM

quality image.

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Rimgrabber
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posted December 07, 2021 03:14 AM
Edited by Rimgrabber at 03:18, 07 Dec 2021.

Edric is living my dream in that picture. I love birds.
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NimoStar
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posted December 07, 2021 11:01 PM

There is exactly *one* dark skinned hero portrait in castle (out of dozens, and it's not even a campaign one), yes, but all their creatures and sprites are still white (not to mention the rest of heroes).

Also, need I remind you there is an actual *black knight* creature and it's undead and evil. Hmmm sounds racist.

(ok, that last one was actually a joke. On the other hand, the Dread Knight does have a bit of an arabic style, including helmet and weapon)
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Kipshasz
Kipshasz


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posted December 08, 2021 08:47 AM
Edited by Kipshasz at 08:52, 08 Dec 2021.

lmao dread knight having an arabic theme. it's helmet is closer to ordo militant bucket helms, like those teutonics wore. most middle eastern helmets are conical, open faced, with some having chainmail 'shrouds' as facial protection. you don't even have to be a military historian to know this, a simple google search confirms my post.

And the weapon is based on the ancient Egyptian khopesh in terms of it's shape, and it too is as arabic as halal pork. Another basis may be the warschytes used in 19th century polish rebellions against Russian empire.

l2p n00b.
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artu
artu


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My BS sensor is tingling again
posted December 08, 2021 02:51 PM

The H3 dread knight doesnt associate a Middle-Eastern warrior at all. Also, he is an upgrade of the black night, which is obviously European and creatures dont change origin when upgraded in HOMM.
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NimoStar
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posted December 08, 2021 06:58 PM
Edited by NimoStar at 19:04, 08 Dec 2021.

0) Really Fred? So you instantly know the skin color of player without any demographics or statistics?

1a) That weapon is based obviously on a scimitar, not a khopesh. The Khopesh doesn't tapper off to a thin end, it's thick all the way through.

You can also see the scimitar inspiration being obvious in the *double damage animation*

1b) While the Black Knight is "sorta" european it's more a generic fantasy stereotype. I know of no culture that actually used horned helmets (though that doesn't mean they can't exist).

2) Creatures do change theme when upgraded. If you want to go the pure melanin route, just look at the Angel, who starts as a virgin and becomes a chad himbo ; )

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Anyways, nobody adressed my point about slavic or viking towns being better than a midwestern town. The last one basically represents the USA (or a portion thereof) and is flavor and chronologically out of pace with the rest of the game (at least the original Forge was sci-fantasy, much like an acid trip (?), but not a modern culture). If we get Texas Town, what is next? 30's Chicago town? New York town? Alabama Town?

(by the way, this is just hair-pulling for the sake of it. At this stage, we'll get factory or nothing, so there it is. But I'm defending the guy that wanted a town based on his favourite ancient cultures.)
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fred79
fred79


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posted December 08, 2021 07:13 PM

i don't know why the obvious eludes you. and, it's apparent, your motivations for what you mention are obvious. just come out and say it: you're a social justice warrior, wokeist, whatever you want to call it. as clearly as kayna is anti-american. it bleeds through your posts.

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aldzzzv2
aldzzzv2


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posted December 08, 2021 07:54 PM

hilarious how triggered some got by the mere suggestion dead knight/dread knight being not white "european" lmao. being white is really the pinnacle of existence for some

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FirePaladin
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posted December 08, 2021 08:13 PM

What's more hilarious is how some pointless debates go for pages around here.
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NimoStar
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posted December 08, 2021 09:54 PM
Edited by NimoStar at 22:03, 08 Dec 2021.

Buddy fred, I wasn't the one that started with the literal nazi/white stuff, that was yourself and in response to someone asking for a jewish inspired civ (apparently that is basically white genocide in spite of there already being a white european inspired civ that's going nowhere soon). And to myself suggesting various other civs, it was "I WANT MORE WHITES!!! YES, FACTORY IS WHITE CIV!!!" (lolwut)

Conclusion: Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

PS: Necropolis is actually the ultimate anti-racist communist civ. Everyone is just a skeleton inside, and there is no need of food. I approve
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fred79
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posted December 08, 2021 10:24 PM

undead equality for all!

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FirePaladin
FirePaladin


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posted December 08, 2021 10:31 PM

The something is all this talk about white supremacy in my non-woke game

P.S. Necropolis has gasing liches and they burn bodies.... yeah, you can tell where this is going, I didn't want to hint it so strongly, but they're the most racist. You might remember that thread about them breaking the Geneva Convention (Suggestion?*) too.
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Kipshasz
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posted December 08, 2021 11:49 PM

FirePaladin said:
The something is all this talk about white supremacy in my non-woke game

P.S. Necropolis has gasing liches and they burn bodies.... yeah, you can tell where this is going, I didn't want to hint it so strongly, but they're the most racist. You might remember that thread about them breaking the Geneva Convention (Suggestion?*) too.


It was never disclosed how the Skeleton Transformer works. unless confirmed otherwise, Deyjans had developed flesh eating acid to be used in the device, because it's cheaper,and magic is best left to raising dragon bones and such. This is canon now unless again, confirmed otherwise.
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fred79
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posted December 08, 2021 11:59 PM

we neither confirm nor deny anything. our secret skeletonizing recipe, with it's mix of spices and seasonings, is ours to keep. the dog from bushes' baked beans tried to be slick, but we skeletonized him too. not that the skeletonizer is actually a pond filled with piranha, or anything... merely speculation and conjecture...

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NimoStar
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posted December 09, 2021 01:45 AM
Edited by NimoStar at 04:09, 09 Dec 2021.

Pft. Necropolis are obviously not fascists since both the Peasant and the (minotaur) King become a skeleton in the Transformer. Gramlins are freed from their chains. Medusa Queens are despoiled from their jewels. Skeletons need no possessions.

Undead are recruited from the Mausoleum.
You know who has the most famous active Mausoleum? Vladimir Lenin.

The weak become stronger, the strong become weaker. All races are the same, and all penalties from mixing alignement (ingame racism, humans become saddened by having elves in their ranks?) are abolished.  Everyone is equal to the Skeleton Transformer.

Skeletons are sexless and genderless to any practical purpose. Undead have permanent contraception.

Also, Necromancers are persecuted by Castle and Tower. They are a clandestine movement. Enroth Necromancers shun both "Angels" and "Devils"; they are essentially atheists.

Necromancy is class warfare by any other name : )
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bloodsucker
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posted December 09, 2021 12:32 PM

This thread should be moved to the VW.

Ohh! Wait... These users should be moved to the VW threads (or to the TT, since it's becoming the same thing).
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Kipshasz
Kipshasz


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Elvin's Darkside
posted December 09, 2021 11:44 PM

And you said you left the board forever with no intention to return.
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Salamandre
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Wog refugee
posted December 10, 2021 01:19 AM

My bad, after 764 hcms I begged him to post in forums so anyone could help

And now he is all over the place

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