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Thread: [Official Thread] HoMM 3: Horn of the Abyss - Ideas and Suggestions This Popular Thread is 190 pages long: 1 20 40 60 80 100 120 140 160 ... 179 180 181 182 183 ... 190 · «PREV / NEXT»
fred79
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posted December 06, 2021 01:56 PM

well, being that it is a fresh idea, and seemingly a passive one, if that kind of town were to be created, it would most likely be with variations of existing units.

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posted December 06, 2021 02:03 PM

Well, to be fair, that trope is so critical for such a town that I'd be willing to model and animate it when I'd get a few free hours for it, I already have some good stuff that can be used as a base.

So unironically, if you ever want to create it, feel free to ping me at some point about it and I'll hopefully manage to make the jew.
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posted December 06, 2021 02:09 PM

what would be it's counterpart? all the towns have counter foes, so who would be their nemesis?

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posted December 06, 2021 02:12 PM

Good question. Well, there are a few random ideas that come to my mind first, like a zealous town that is based on truth and other things (anti-globalists of some sorts? No ideas on the roster yet, maybe some white hat hacker as magic hero lol), but nothing too concrete yet.
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posted December 06, 2021 02:16 PM

i don't really think they'd have a decent counterpart. Castle could work, maybe. in fact, Castle would be fitting; they'd have to fight on two fronts, against Inferno and Zionist town.

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posted December 06, 2021 02:20 PM

Sounds fair, Castle was also a candidate in my opinion, with the Angels telling its citizens the truth.

(And yeah, I apologize if anyone is offended by this stuff)

Aaaaand, we're quite off-topic already. Maybe a thread should be opened for this new town idea. I for one would show my face later, because I gotta take my leave now.
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posted December 06, 2021 03:10 PM

it was mentioned here, so i think as long as it follows the thread theme of ideas and whatnot, we're good. i just ran with it, and tried fleshing the idea out. initially, i didn't think it was a good idea, but it's starting to grow on me.

kinda like "vegetable town" did.




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i miss vegetable town.

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posted December 06, 2021 04:35 PM
Edited by NimoStar at 16:36, 06 Dec 2021.

Quote:
Might and Magic doesn't make its own tropes.


Doesn't it? Robot angels, post-acpocalyptic science-fantasy, spaceships in a fantasy setting...  sure, it has all been done before and since. But so has everything. Including jewish-based civs.

I know you are a raging antisemite and conspiuracy theorist but let's stick to game design here. Plus, ancient hebrew laws forbid usury completely. Ancient jewry like the old kingdoms of Israel and Judah are very different from medieval jewry.

In the same vein I would prefer an ancient mythology jewish-based civ to a completely out of context wild west one,

I would alsop prefer the next ones:
- Babylonian myth based civ
- Egyptian myth based civ
- Arabic myth based civ
- Persian myth based civ (believe it or not these are NOT the same thing)
- African myth based civ (oh you probably believe they are monkjeys or something)
- Chinese myth based civ (done by a modder)
- Andean myth based civ

And to be clear it's not only Castle which is a cultural stereotype; Fortress is also one regarding Mesoamericans.

Wild west feels flavorless, cultureless and anachronic in this context.
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posted December 06, 2021 04:40 PM

as long as it's not white, right?

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posted December 06, 2021 04:45 PM
Edited by NimoStar at 16:46, 06 Dec 2021.

What the hell is a "white"? Not even nazis know,as shown in the nazi-forums where they dedicate 50% of their energy "debating" this for the last 30 years.
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posted December 06, 2021 04:46 PM

archived, in case fun gestapo cleans house.
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posted December 06, 2021 04:50 PM

it's simple. you claimed you didn't like some western-themed town(which has white characters in it). then you made a list of non-white factions you'd like to see, as if that were the reasoning behind your critique. i'm just pointing out the obvious.

or is it the level of technology you have a problem with? because if that's it, i'll remind you that this was supposed to be a Forge-based town.

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posted December 06, 2021 04:56 PM
Edited by NimoStar at 16:59, 06 Dec 2021.

You are the only one that was concerned about the level of melanin in the lineup, I don't have such unhealthy obsession with tans.

They could make the Factory characters's skin #000000 on the hex scale and that woudn't change my perception about it, unlike you.

BTW, by own admission, Castle is already your perfect medieval-nazi paradise with only white western european humans (they are even racist against mythological creatures, considering no other town is so homogeneous), so what are you guys complaining about? Can't we get something else?

Do you really see the game as divided in white/nonwhite towns? And this also applies to mythological creatures? That must be a sad existence.
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posted December 06, 2021 04:58 PM

FirePaladin said:
But then, what about the classic trope of this culture?



Perhaps a totally new creature as an alternate? Or maybe the heroes would look like this, while having a better version of the "Treasury" building, that passively takes money from everyone else as well?

Edit: Jesus Christ, this pic is bigger than I thought.
Edit 2: Fixed that.



seriously? posting literal nazi images?

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posted December 06, 2021 05:01 PM

NimoStar said:
You are the only one that was concerned about the level of melanin in the lineup, I don't have such unhealthy obsession with tans.

They could make the Factory characters's skin #000000 on the hex scale and that woudn't change my perception about it, unlike you.

BTW, by own admission, Castle is already your perfect medieval-nazi paradise with only white western european humans (they are even racist against mythological creatures, considering no other town is so homogeneous), so what are you guys complaining about? Can't we get something else?


what? what do nazis have to do with anything? why would you think Castle are nazis?

"can't we get something else", is exactly the point you made, that i was pointing out. nothing wrong with it; just pointing it out. i should have posted a smiley next to my response. oh well. in case you haven't noticed, i've been screwing around for awhile in non-serious threads. if you're offended, you should understand i was poking fun. didn't mean anything by it.

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posted December 06, 2021 05:02 PM
Edited by FirePaladin at 17:05, 06 Dec 2021.

@NimoStar

That's entirely something else, those were a classic thing in other sci-fi media back then. Where was jewish as a generic trope in the fantasy from 20 years ago, on the other hand?

Regarding the jew town discussion, we're just throwing some meme ideas around (just like veggie town and all that; is it my issue if sensible people would feel like sperging over these memes?), pretty unrelated to actually serious stuff.

Either way, seriously, I've been looking into the stuff for years and even info from Greg, debating multiple aspects with people well-versed into its design, and really, based on all that as well as MM's background, lore blabla, a jewish town is pretty much a no-no for a serious HoMM3 (not even in Karigor, that'd be Castle and a Cathedral-like faction). Feel free to contradict me, but it's like contradicting the way H3 was designed/created, which at least is what I was talking about (not really debating, because there isn't much room for debate here). Now, if you'd like that and that civ, that's something else. And again, I agree that wild west is quite a silly idea. But nobody is tying people to play HotA with wild west town anyway. And don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to insult you or anything and I apologize if I seem to imply that. It's just that I feel like correcting misconceptions about something I'm sure of and have properly studied for a good while, together with other guys like loremasters.

As for Arabian, Egyptian etc. stuff, in HoMM3 that'd be more of a "desert" faction with influences and inspirations from those, very similar to Oasis.

Sidenote: maybe we should move on and make a thread for the meme town if anything.

In terms of Fortress, I should have mentioned that the architecture borrows some cultures' architecture, kinda like Rampart and the Asian flavors. Also Inferno and its slight Asian inspirations for the fortifications, if I recall right.


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Oh boy, the gestapo is here. Guys, pack your things, meme fun is over, memes that make fun of jews are always nazist. Or memes that make fun of Russians are sovietic or some snow bc they starved th- oh wait, Russians is fine, after all the media takes a crap on them.

If I really wanted to be nazi, I would have suggested Necropolis as a counterpart. Would it really be appropriate if I also explained why?
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posted December 06, 2021 05:05 PM
Edited by Kipshasz at 17:15, 06 Dec 2021.

NimoStar said:
You are the only one that was concerned about the level of melanin in the lineup, I don't have such unhealthy obsession with tans.

They could make the Factory characters's skin #000000 on the hex scale and that woudn't change my perception about it, unlike you.

BTW, by own admission, Castle is already your perfect medieval-nazi paradise with only white western european humans (they are even racist against mythological creatures, considering no other town is so homogeneous), so what are you guys complaining about? Can't we get something else?

Do you really see the game as divided in white/nonwhite towns? And this also applies to mythological creatures? That must be a sad existence.




Very white skin of this fellow here. whiter than snow.
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posted December 06, 2021 05:08 PM
Edited by FirePaladin at 17:12, 06 Dec 2021.

Jesus, I was gone writing my essay and this happens.

Guys, let's just calm down and keep this thread to relevant stuff for HotA, alright? We don't want HotA official announcements thread 2.0 to happen with 5+ pages of pointless sperg, or am I wrong and people would enjoy ranting like that?

tl;dr whatever we're discussing here and we're about to sperg about (or already are) doesn't matter and will bring nothing in the end.

Edit: If you guys wish to go on, we should make a thread for H3-related, but still off-topic rants. About time after literal tens of pages in the other HotA thread are about nothing.

And yeah, I admit that I went into off-topic with the meme town idea, that's why I suggested a thread for it if I was to develop it further.
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posted December 06, 2021 05:09 PM

NimoStar said:
Do you really see the game as divided in white/nonwhite towns? And this also applies to mythological creatures? That must be a sad existence.


lol, no. i was screwing around. why do you seem so offended? you're taking this personally as if i were joking about you, yourself. are you THAT serious about a jewish town?

why not a vegetable town? didn't you like that one? i think the vegetable town should be taken more seriously, myself.

*serious face*

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posted December 06, 2021 05:14 PM

I didn'tmean that castle are, ingame, literal nazis (though they do persecute quite a few people for thinking differtently and probably kill fantasy creatures like "mhm they were just barbarians so killing goblins doesnt count" etc.) -

What I was saying is that, in the grand scheme of things, greek/european cultural creatures such as griffins and dragons are already overrepresented (we have like seven types of european dragons and not a single eastern one)

If you want "Muh white people hurr durr" may I suggest also adding Viking/Slavic themed towns and creatures, which are still better than wild west. A frozen barbarian seafaring town like vikings would contrast with the tropical/desert feel of both Stronghold and Cove, respectively.
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