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Thread: [Official Thread] HoMM 3: Horn of the Abyss - Ideas and Suggestions This thread is 99 pages long: 1 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 ... 83 84 85 86 87 ... 90 99 · «PREV / NEXT»
Dj
Dj


Promising
Supreme Hero
Always loyal to HC
posted August 28, 2019 12:37 PM

mihaid said:
gatecrasher said:

-Maybe heroes of Magic classes should be able to cast twice in the first/second or third round of a battle. Could be added to Sorcery or Mysticism instead. Too strong?


Casting expert Berserk twice... imagine the carnage.


maybe cooldowns should be introduced in HotA. eg: can only cast Berserk every 3 turns. Therefore, you can cast Berserk and another spell (be it buff, debuff, damage spell).

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Salamandre
Salamandre


Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
posted August 28, 2019 01:26 PM

A sane move would be to regress berserk to single target, it is the mass version which is out of proportions. As for double cast, I experienced it in WoG and it gets out of proportions quite fast too, the game is not designed to handle such anomalies. Spells as blind, force field, teleport, sand mines, fire walls, earthquake, resurrection, clone, berserk etc are too strong if cast twice/round. Way impossible to handle.

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phoenix4ever
phoenix4ever


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Heroes is love, Heroes is life
posted August 28, 2019 04:06 PM

I would welcome a cooldown mechanic.
A simple way to do it, is you can't cast the same spell twice, you need to cast another spell in between. Then you can't spam the same spell over and over, which would be more interesting.
Also Haste/Slow and Bless/Curse need to cancel each other, to avoid "the double effect".

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phe
phe


Famous Hero
Life and Freedom
posted August 28, 2019 07:03 PM
Edited by phe at 19:17, 28 Aug 2019.

if second cast would be in after waiting turn it wouldn't be so bad...
also not so bad if both sides could cast their spells at the same time at the beginning of the round regardless of their fastest creature speed...
some spells have similar effect..effects are often doubled, tripled...but we can remove them all in on cast by cheap Dispel or Cure...

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gatecrasher
gatecrasher


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posted August 28, 2019 07:20 PM
Edited by gatecrasher at 19:25, 28 Aug 2019.

Maurice made a better suggestion somewhere else for Sorcery. It could be for Spell Power what is Intelligence to Spell Points.
This way it would boost not only damage spells.
Maybe displayed like "value before Sorcery (value after Sorcery)" in hero screen.

Still, many spells don't crucially depend on Spell Power.

With a percentual bonus it might be difficult to get it useful (especially in the early game) but not too powerful in the hands of Sorcery specialists.

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phoenix4ever
phoenix4ever


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Heroes is love, Heroes is life
posted August 28, 2019 07:28 PM
Edited by phoenix4ever at 19:46, 28 Aug 2019.

Yes that would be great, then not only damage spells, but also Cure, Hypnotize, Animate Dead, Resurrection, Sacrifice and the 4 elementals spells would benefit as well.

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RerryR
RerryR


Promising
Famous Hero
Researching Magic
posted August 28, 2019 10:42 PM

gatecrasher said:
Some thoughts about Might/Magic balance:

-Maybe heroes of Magic classes should be able to cast twice in the first/second or third round of a battle. Could be added to Sorcery or Mysticism instead. Too strong?

-Or at least spell specialists (except probably for the likes of Eovacius, Solmyr, Ciele, Aislinn,..) should be able to extra-cast their spell for one time or to cast their spell at lower cost.

-The bonus for spell specialists should be calculated differently / displayed properly instead of this "increased effect, based on their level compared to the level of the target unit" nonsense.


If you wanna try, it's all available in AC mod.

As someone who has grinded his head for the last years about this magic/balance iusse, i can tell you, that if you want to give double cast to the mage class, you need to compensate by further exposing the weakness of the mage class. You need to tie it to several kind of condition. This can be secondary skills, hero level, stats or whatever. Just giving extra cast by picking sorcery is not enough, because then every hero has access to it and it becomes a mandatory pick. Fortunatly H3 gives plenty of possibilities, so if one is creative, good solutions can be found. You also have this side conditions as Sal mentioned with Berserk spell, which is just broken, these would need extra fixing. For the rest of the spells i see no real problem.

Imo the only change I see could happen, is that sorcery can increase spell power to boost other spells aswell, guess that would be fair and Hota style. Nothing spectacular, but still

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gatecrasher
gatecrasher


Famous Hero
posted August 31, 2019 03:20 AM

A small interface suggestion for HotA or the HD mod:

An icon indicating fully developed towns, like the red X for town which already built a structure in the current round.

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Oddball13579
Oddball13579


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Thread Destroyer
posted August 31, 2019 06:29 AM

gatecrasher said:
A small interface suggestion for HotA or the HD mod:

An icon indicating fully developed towns, like the red X for town which already built a structure in the current round.
That's been a feature for a long time. When you build a structure a red x appears on the town portrait/town selection menu. The one that is on the opposite side of the hero portrait/hero selection
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phoenix4ever
phoenix4ever


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posted August 31, 2019 06:50 AM
Edited by phoenix4ever at 06:50, 31 Aug 2019.

Oddball looks like you need to read what he said again...
And I agree Gatecrasher and have also suggested it before, I think a green checkmark would be perfect.

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gatecrasher
gatecrasher


Famous Hero
posted August 31, 2019 10:58 AM

On top of this icons for town which features the grail structure and Capitol.

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phoenix4ever
phoenix4ever


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Heroes is love, Heroes is life
posted August 31, 2019 11:25 AM

Yes, great idea.

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VampMarcie
VampMarcie

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posted August 31, 2019 12:27 PM
Edited by VampMarcie at 12:27, 31 Aug 2019.

gatecrasher said:
A small interface suggestion for HotA or the HD mod:

An icon indicating fully developed towns, like the red X for town which already built a structure in the current round.

Just like in Heroes 5!

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Oddball13579
Oddball13579


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posted August 31, 2019 07:35 PM

phoenix4ever said:
Oddball looks like you need to read what he said again...
And I agree Gatecrasher and have also suggested it before, I think a green checkmark would be perfect.
Yeah you right. I'm dumb. Completely misread that. Feel free to shoot me now.

gatecrasher said:
On top of this icons for town which features the grail structure and Capitol.
You do have that little picture that displays in the bottom square when you click on a town. As well as how much gold it makes in a day. But I would like the Grail one.

Having all these displayed on that tiny town portrait would make it really cluttered.
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phoenix4ever
phoenix4ever


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posted August 31, 2019 07:45 PM

No problem mate, we all make mistakes sometimes.

Well looks like there would be room for exactly 3 icons on the town display and 3 icons would only be possible for one town, as there is only 1 Capitol per player and 1 Grail, so it should'nt clutter things up too much.

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Oddball13579
Oddball13579


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posted August 31, 2019 10:39 PM

Ah that is very true.

And fully developed towns would have the green check-mark then? Cause I like that idea. Along with the Capitol and Grail indicators.
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Maurice
Maurice

Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
posted August 31, 2019 10:55 PM

How about simply a 1-pixel wide border around the Town images? Green frame = something can still be built here this turn; red frame = something has been built here this turn, but thereís still more to be built later; yellow frame = this Town is complete.

This color scheme corresponds to the color of the name bar for each building in the Town building screen. That one features grey as well, but you donít need it for this purpose.

You could then suffice with 2 specific symbols for the Grail and the Capitol.
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Oddball13579
Oddball13579


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posted September 01, 2019 05:25 AM

I like that idea as well.
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P4R4D0X0N
P4R4D0X0N


Famous Hero
posted September 02, 2019 03:46 AM
Edited by P4R4D0X0N at 03:51, 02 Sep 2019.

Well, lets get at least a lil more constructive... and yeah I want artifacts quite badly for HotA Coz I always expand games to put in more useful items with special skins if possible

While sorting out some stuff on my HDD I found some old drawings I did some years ago. Was for a mod i did for myself some years ago. Thought I would share some of the stuff.

HotA team may have the picture for new artifacts at least if they like.



"shield of the burning sun"

possible effect:
-adds fireball to spellbook and reduce its cost to 0 (major)
-casts mass-prayer at start of battle (relic)
-all units are resistant to fire spells (-20% fire damage) and immune to berserk spell (major)

I guess I'm more skilled now while working for some more years with graphic tools... I could also redo some of the stuff


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Orrinisthebest
Orrinisthebest


Known Hero
posted September 02, 2019 08:43 AM

You realize extra shield means extra sword,armor and hat,right? Better start drawing now.

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