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Heroes Community > Other Side of the Monitor > Thread: Reparations & White Privilege
Thread: Reparations & White Privilege This thread is 16 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 · «PREV / NEXT»
JollyJoker
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posted July 20, 2020 09:15 PM

Blizzardboy said:
but since prejudice towards people who are different from us is ingrained into us as a survival mechanism,
Umm ... wait. "Being different from us" is a matter of what is defined as "us" and what is defined as "different". The bigger the us-group gets, the bigger the actual difference needed to perceive someone as "different".
Also, there are different qualities of differences. "Religion", for example, is in some cases a visible difference, in others it's not (say, Catholics and Protestants) - still, even the latter fought tooth and nail against each other.

I don't doubt for a second that the us-group would get billions strong the moment aliens with not-so-friendly intentions would land.
Whereas, if aliens with seemingly friendly intentions would land, the us-group would suddenly include alien-friendly humans and human-friendly aliens and the two them groups would be humans against aliens and alien-friends and aliens and alien human-friends.

What I want to say is, that it's not a matter of being "different". It's a matter of being perceived as irreconcilably different - so different that no common grounds are imaginable.

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posted July 20, 2020 10:06 PM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 22:35, 20 Jul 2020.

Differences with conflicting ideologies makes people assemble into various camps, which on social media creates tribes without borders.

Differences over benign things makes people an object of interest or attraction. Friendly aliens showing up wouldn't necessarily make the world go to war but there would almost assuredly be some level of tension and fear.

Race and class is tied in with historical/political conflict, so that makes them extra divisive. It can be so strong that in studies when showing pictures of various people, when showing a homeless black person, the region of the brain that typically lights up when viewing another person can fail to activate. Instead, the region for identifying an object is activated.

Homeless black people are the most likely to not be recognized as another person. This was a US-based study.

American conservatism wants to believe in a color-blind society and that we have moved beyond race, and that would be nice, but it is a fiction.
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posted July 20, 2020 10:48 PM

JollyJoker said:
I don't doubt for a second that the us-group would get billions strong the moment aliens with not-so-friendly intentions would land.
Whereas, if aliens with seemingly friendly intentions would land, the us-group would suddenly include alien-friendly humans and human-friendly aliens and the two them groups would be humans against aliens and alien-friends and aliens and alien human-friends.

My friend, I would like to recommend you an old english novel written by a fascinating woman: Frankenstein by Mary Shelley.
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posted July 21, 2020 08:21 AM

*sigh*
Read again: It's a matter of perception and the perception "different" is not enough for anything. The difference must be perceived as "Irreconcilably different".
"Prejudice against being different being ingrained as a survival mechanism" is just a very doubtful phrasing for "being sensibly cautious in the face of something unknown".

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posted July 21, 2020 09:52 AM

Ok, but that wasn't how the creature perceived that caution. The different one felt rejected and unfairly pursued.
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posted July 21, 2020 11:24 AM

That wasn't the fault of the people, though. It's the fault of the creature's creator. He wasn't too careful and thorough in taking parts and he KNEW what the creature was, after he had created it, and was disgusted by it - actully his own work.
Everything happening after that is HIS fault, because he didn't take responsibility for his creation. He would have had to either kill it immediately or take full responsibility and treat it like a child.

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posted July 21, 2020 12:32 PM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 12:32, 21 Jul 2020.

JollyJoker said:
*sigh*
Read again: It's a matter of perception and the perception "different" is not enough for anything. The difference must be perceived as "Irreconcilably different".
"Prejudice against being different being ingrained as a survival mechanism" is just a very doubtful phrasing for "being sensibly cautious in the face of something unknown".


I was typing on my phone.

Differences don't need to be irreconcilable but that makes it a lot worse.
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posted July 21, 2020 01:21 PM

It's all RELATIVE, though.

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posted July 21, 2020 03:01 PM

Rule #1

When someone says “it’s all relative” run like there is no tomorrow.
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posted July 21, 2020 04:18 PM

Certainly not in this case, because "difference" IS a relative term (a difference may be big or small) and "irreconcilable" is subjective. Which simply means, that "irreconcilable difference" is a relative term that will be different, depending on time, in-group and available out-groups.

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posted July 21, 2020 04:36 PM

@jj

I'm not sure what point you want to get across to me. Can you clarify?
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posted July 21, 2020 05:05 PM

The point is, that the understanding of "us" and "them" which is basically what this amounts to, has changed over the course of history. Take the Roman Empire which was pretty big. "Roman Citizen" was a major group, for example, and skin color was pretty unimportant. Slave or free was an important difference as well.

If you are born into a society where people of different skin color live with each other as a matter of course, skin color won't be perceived as important difference".

What IS actually perceived as important (or even irreconcilable) difference has changed permanently, depending on society or "group" and will probably change in the future as well.

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posted July 21, 2020 09:33 PM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 21:36, 21 Jul 2020.

Yes.

Though in a modern context, skin color is very relevant to people's preconceptions and implicit biases. It is not only in former slave nations either. In 2020 you can apply for a teaching position at a school or university in China and if they see that you're black they may instantly turn you down. I actually know people that have had this happen.

They want people to be white and attractive. Anything else and you're sub-human, essentially.
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posted July 21, 2020 09:56 PM

like China is some kind of role model or something lol

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posted July 21, 2020 10:03 PM

Nations that haven't had direct association with slavery and/or colonialism still have racial biases.

This is partially a bad side effect of globalism (which is mostly at good thing). Blacks carry certain stereotypes with them no matter where they go in the world.
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posted July 21, 2020 10:47 PM

China ISN't white, though.

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posted July 22, 2020 01:19 AM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 05:22, 22 Jul 2020.

Nope. But that is the demand.
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posted July 22, 2020 07:49 AM

What? Who demands what?

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posted July 22, 2020 12:44 PM

JollyJoker said:
What? Who demands what?


Reparations, obviously. Because white people are evil and nobody else did anything snowed up to anyone else throughout all of recorded human history, ever. The Barbary Slave Trade never happened. The Mongols never conquered or mass-raped jack diddly. Etc., etc., since eternity. This group never did anything wrong to that group, unless it was done by the whites. And they SHOULD ALL PAY FOR WHAT A MINUTE FRACTION OF THEM DID.

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Kipshasz
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posted July 22, 2020 02:23 PM

fred79 said:
JollyJoker said:
What? Who demands what?


Reparations, obviously. Because white people are evil and nobody else did anything snowed up to anyone else throughout all of recorded human history, ever. The Barbary Slave Trade never happened. The Mongols never conquered or mass-raped jack diddly. Etc., etc., since eternity. This group never did anything wrong to that group, unless it was done by the whites. And they SHOULD ALL PAY FOR WHAT A MINUTE FRACTION OF THEM DID.


The mongols also never created a civilisation that surpassed all others.

It's a matter of superiority, and frankly, the white civilisation is the most superior.
However all the soys are undermining it. classic good times create weak people scenario.

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