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posted July 22, 2020 03:05 PM |
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"The white civilization is the most superior"?
Frankly, I don't know of any "white civilization" - and which are the other superior or even more superior civilizations this white one is the superiorest of?
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posted July 22, 2020 03:39 PM |
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It's called white supremacy.
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posted July 22, 2020 04:07 PM |
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That's no civilization, though, but an idea, and a silly one at that.
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posted July 22, 2020 05:13 PM |
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fred79 said:
JollyJoker said:
What? Who demands what?
Reparations, obviously. Because white people are evil and nobody else did anything snowed up to anyone else throughout all of recorded human history, ever. The Barbary Slave Trade never happened. The Mongols never conquered or mass-raped jack diddly. Etc., etc., since eternity. This group never did anything wrong to that group, unless it was done by the whites. And they SHOULD ALL PAY FOR WHAT A MINUTE FRACTION OF THEM DID. 
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posted July 22, 2020 08:44 PM |
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If you're going to reduce your thread to an image reply war, you can at least post an image that displays correctly.
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posted July 22, 2020 09:18 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
"The white civilization is the most superior"?
Frankly, I don't know of any "white civilization" - and which are the other superior or even more superior civilizations this white one is the superiorest of?
of any white ethnos, even your own german one. if your kind would stop screwing over Europe that would be great. But then in my opinion, real germany died when the soviet army raped East Prussia and prussians as an ethnos went extinct in 1950, which is very sad.
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posted July 22, 2020 10:00 PM |
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fredmuffin79 said:
If you're going to reduce your thread to an image reply war, you can at least post an image that displays correctly.
It's not my fault HC is old. Anyway, the broken link gives the thread a certain rustic character, so I'm going to keep it that way.
As far as your reply: you are of course correct that other civilizations have committed all sorts of atrocities and they can be deeply prejudiced.
However, European civilization enjoyed the benefits of Christianity to tame the tribalism of the continent and make it rational, compassionate, and socially just (relatively speaking). It did not merit this privilege, nor is it at all better than other people. It was a gift. That is why it is so terrible when that gift is abused as a way to exploit and degrade other people. i.e. slavery, Jim Crow, colonial exploitation, white supremecy, etc. Greater power logically entails responsibility, wouldn't you agree?
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posted July 22, 2020 10:35 PM |
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White is not an ethnicity, if you mean caucasian or indo-european, both groups include people of European and Asian descent such as Iranians, Afghans, Tajiks, Georgians etc. (Hence, the word is Indo-European and it is rather a language family since these regions are so mixed, it is basically impossible to find isolated gene pools like you can do with Aborigins of Australia or say, some tribe in the Amazon forrests)
Needless to say, civilizational “superiority” has everything to do with natural resources, trade routes, social mobility, the institutions these factors cause and sorry, it also has something to do with the imperial manoeuvre power one has over the others and exploitation. So, it has first emerged in Mesopotamia with fertile agri-cultural lands, shifted to the Mediterrenean during the times of Rome with its naval trade routes, then, Islamic conquests created a new network connecting Chinese and Indian routes to East Europe, later, with ocean sailing ships and the discovery of the Americas, colonial powers of coastal Western Europe took over, leaving the dominance to the New World in early 20th century. Today, the U.S. has a military budget almost equal to the rest of the world combined. Toworrow, it can be China, 300 years from now, it can be the Indonesians, you never know what tomorrow brings.
Of course, Christianity isnt the defining factor either, otherwise it would have given the same results in Latin America or African Christian countries. Most you can do, would be to draw some correlation between protestant work ethics and the rise of capitalism like the Weberians but even Weber himself thought of that as an important side effect, not something definitive.
Also, it is quite interesting to see how most people from U.S., France, Germany etc. seem to treat the “white supremacy” idea as the Victorian trash it is, while a lot of people from the Balkans or the Baltic states, which had no significant imperial power ever, seem to entertain the idea. Reminds of some blacks in the ghettos, entertaining themselves with the idea of an “African unity.”
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posted July 22, 2020 10:39 PM |
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@ blizz:
I would say that with any power, comes responsibility. And that's the exact point i think we differ: you want to only fix power within one group. I don't. I think everyone, including but not limited to groups, have a duty to be responsible; especially, given the power that humans have in this world. You talk of power within one ethnic group, while excusing the power of other groups. By your own logic, the human race, being the most powerful species on the planet, should be held accountable, and pay reparations to, the life forms they subjugated over the whole planet. If each non-human species were to act in it's own self-interest, we would have a world where that species alone would overrun the planet; whereas all other species would be killed off. Humans, on the other hand, aren't completely retarded to think that we and we alone should exist on this planet.
According to you, you think whites act this way towards other races, even now; when they explicitely give so-called minorities special rights that they themselves apparently aren't permitted to have. You don't classify whites with the rest of humanity; to me it's plainly evident that you classify them as an "other" species, where different rules apply to them, that don't apply to other humans.
Obviously, you and other self-hating, anti-white racists, are wrong. Either everyone is held accountable for their actions, or no one is. Period. You cannot, in good conscience, claim that whites owe anyone anything, if they have done everything they can to help other races/sexes, etc., achieve equality in society. Especially, in the United States; a country designed to be accomodating for EVERY race.
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posted July 22, 2020 10:44 PM |
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Actually, Africa is on its way to being the dominate continent by the mid 22nd century, or sooner, which is very rapid change.
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posted July 22, 2020 10:52 PM |
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@Fred
Everybody has responsibilities, but privileged civilizations have increased responsibility versus other ones. Europe is the most privileged place in the world, but N America as well.
The difference with Europe is that it raped the planet AND it did it remotely through selling slaves or through exploitation, so it got away clean with its crime without dealing with the descendants of slaves. Success is a poor teacher though, so it is still rapidly decaying.
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posted July 22, 2020 11:25 PM |
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Blizzardboy said:
Actually, Africa is on its way to being the dominate continent by the mid 22nd century, or sooner, which is very rapid change.
I heard about some “rise of Africa” theories, havent really checked them out in detail but I’d say any economical or political argument regarding the 22nd century would be “an educated guess” by default, too many variables.
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posted July 22, 2020 11:30 PM |
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I mean "white" as the social construct.
Genetically, there is no such thing.
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posted July 23, 2020 12:10 AM |
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Yes, as a social construct it can refer to something about daily reality, like in “my neighborhood consists of white people mostly.” But if you try to use it in a technical sense, it really doesnt correspond to much.
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posted July 23, 2020 12:27 AM |
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@Fred
Your opinion: a 5-year-old and a 15-year-old. Equal responsibilities or different?
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posted July 23, 2020 02:52 AM |
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Blizzardboy said:
Actually, Africa is on its way to being the dominate continent by the mid 22nd century, or sooner, which is very rapid change.
That is a prediction I've not heard before. Do you have a preferred source that will elaborate on it?
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posted July 23, 2020 04:54 AM |
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Blizzardboy said:
@Fred
Your opinion: a 5-year-old and a 15-year-old. Equal responsibilities or different?
If you're going where i think you're going with this...
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posted July 23, 2020 08:52 AM |
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Blizzardboy said:
Actually, Africa is on its way to being the dominate continent by the mid 22nd century, or sooner, which is very rapid change.
Actually, Africa is on its way to become a depopulated desert by the end of the 21st...
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posted July 23, 2020 09:05 AM |
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Blizzardboy said:
Actually, Africa is on its way to being the dominate continent by the mid 22nd century, or sooner, which is very rapid change.
If you just think where we were 150 ago, both technologically and politically, you get how trustworthy that prediction is.
Plus, having seen how uncritically you spew both Democratic and Catholic Church talking points, I'm betting you were using a MAGA hat when you wrote this and haven't even noticed.
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posted July 23, 2020 09:54 AM |
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As I said, I think it would be guessing in the dark at best, but there are academics who defend such a thing indeed. Link.
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