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posted June 09, 2020 03:56 PM |
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Interestingly, on the issue of black on black crime, the criminal justice is also less punitive if it involves a black victim. It is important to examine who the victim in a crime is, because that can drastically affect the outcome.
The trends (where data is available) are as follows:
Black male victimizing white female: extremely punitive. The data is staggering.
Black on white crime in general: more punitive
White on black crime: less punitive
Black on black crime: less punitive
Any time a black person is the victim, punishments statistically are much less severe. At the top of the hierarchy by an extremely large margin is the white female. Committing a crime against a white female will bury you, sometimes literally, since USA still has capital punishment for some reason.
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posted June 09, 2020 04:04 PM |
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Blizzardboy said:
Any time a black person is the victim, punishments statistically are much less severe.
Derek Chauvin saw its crime being upgraded from 3rd degree murder to 2nd degree murder, show me one time a black got that upgrade for non intentionally killing someone. So is not "any time".
Also you can keep saying blacks this and that, is only an opinion based on the frequency such opinions are reflected in the media. As I linked previously, black majority cities show also an increasing criminality rate, at outrageous levels. How that fits to your narrative, less whites around, more black cops and judges, more arrests and of course more convictions?
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posted June 09, 2020 04:18 PM |
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It's generally not disputed that various crimes are more prevalent in black communities (and in poorer communities).
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posted June 09, 2020 05:02 PM |
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Since when is acknowledging reality synonymous with guilt? These are emotional arguments.
If you're white, there are advantages within the criminal justice system (and other areas). If you're black, there are disadvantages.
https://www.tolerance.org/magazine/fall-2018/what-is-white-privilege-really
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posted June 09, 2020 05:09 PM |
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Blizzardboy said:
black on black crime: less punitive
What's that? A crime is less punitive if it's against one's own race?
In other news, water is wet.
Speaking of news, have you figured out why it is that leftist media make a huge deal about supposed "racially-motivated white-on-black crime"(which is scant, statistically), and next to nothing at all on the STAGGERING amount of "racially-motivated black-on-white crime"?
No?
It's because the left need the votes/hearts and minds of people EASY TO MANIPULATE WITH THEIR AGENDA.
Derp derp derp!
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posted June 09, 2020 05:32 PM |
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It's because the left need the votes/hearts and minds of people EASY TO MANIPULATE WITH THEIR AGENDA.
No. It's because the left has an agenda. Of course the right has an agenda as well, it's just different.
In reality the difference is this: the left thinks, that the individual is more like a product of the society it lives in (which most of the time means family and neighborhood), while the right propagates that it's the individual that counts more than that.
The left argues that fory many things society is at fault, while the right complains that the left says this absolving the individual from blame.
Logically, the left wants to level the playfield, then, while the right is perfectly happy with the way things are.
If you sum up the agendas, the right comes out as - DON'T CHANGE ANYTHING; they who really want to can become everything they want.
While the left says, as a society, we need to help the needy, and since everyone is the product of the society they live in, everyone who made a fortune with and in it has an obligation and a responsibility to HELP those in need. Society must - to a degree - SHARE.
Screw the right. They have no point, except egoism.
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posted June 09, 2020 05:35 PM |
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What do you think the main function of the white privilege label is?
To create a more just and equitable society.
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posted June 09, 2020 05:36 PM |
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If you believe the left or right care about anything other than power, you are naive. Do you honestly think the Dems care about immigrants getting citizenship so they can have a better life? It's all about the votes.
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posted June 09, 2020 05:45 PM |
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Cynicism isn't intelligence.
There are demonstrable examples of cities substantially improving the relationship between the police and the community through research-backed reform. NYC has been on a fairly steady upward trajectory since the 90s. Camden, NJ disbanded their police department because of rampant corruption and rebuilt it. The city has since become much more attractive for prospective homeowners and crime has been cut in half. It involves some work and a little bit of risk, but it's not an unsolvable puzzle.
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posted June 09, 2020 05:58 PM |
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Nice non-sequitor, BB.
Clearly you disagree with my statement. Why?
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posted June 09, 2020 06:03 PM |
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There are demonstrable ways for police to more effectively respond to crime and to improve their reputation. This can be individually tailored to the unique challenges of each city, but the policies and modalities that apply to human behavior and human psychology are more-or-less universal no matter where you go.
https://www.city-journal.org/html/how-new-york-became-safe-full-story-13197.html
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posted June 09, 2020 06:03 PM |
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OmegaDestroyer said:
If you believe the left or right care about anything other than power, you are naive. Do you honestly think the Dems care about immigrants getting citizenship so they can have a better life? It's all about the votes.
The Dems are not "the left", they are just left from the Reps, which is a massive difference.
The problem with a system like that in the US is, if the Reps are too right for you, you can either support the Dems or be meaningless,l no matter how left you actually are.
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posted June 09, 2020 06:08 PM |
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If you believe the left or right care about anything other than power, you are naive.
Not every single politician is corrupt, you can see it from their record. A vast vast majority is, though.
Also if you really believe this is the reality, how come you vote republican every time? Or have you actually stopped voting?
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posted June 09, 2020 06:09 PM |
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Nice non-sequitor, BB.
I'm not answering an out-of-the-blue accusation about the supposed hidden motives of Democrat politicians. Plus it's unanswerable because you're basically asking me to PROVE that Democrats AREN'T doing it for the votes. How am I suppose to do that? What answer could I give that would satisfy you?
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posted June 09, 2020 06:25 PM |
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Minion said:
OmegaDestroyer said:
If you believe the left or right care about anything other than power, you are naive.
Not every single politician is corrupt, you can see it from their record. A vast vast majority is, though.
Also if you really believe this is the reality, how come you vote republican every time? Or have you actually stopped voting?
I have voted for Republicans and Democrats, and opted to vote for neither in 2016. I have not stopped voting nor would do so. I focus on local elections because the county I reside in is incosequential to state & national votes (I still vote in them).
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posted June 09, 2020 08:30 PM |
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The Minneapolis police department has existed for roughly 150 years. If there is a pattern of corrupt behavior in a department, it isn't a bad idea to disband the department in order to start over. This sometimes happens with public schools and it can work wonders.
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posted June 09, 2020 11:17 PM |
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Not every single politician is corrupt, you can see it from their record.
Maybe not, but it is said that when they try to climb the ladder of the American Democratic Party, the first thing they're asked for is: who are your donors? How much are they willing to bet on you? This translates in many Pete Buttigieg(s) (eloquent speech without any content) and very few Bernie(s) (democratic proposals that hurt the invested interests of the big donors and corporations) cause it's harder to find a large platform of small donors then one or two big corporations with interests in the area. This was made worst by relatively recent laws like Citizens United.
I have no idea how the selection process is done within the Republican Party but I don't think it is different in any way.
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posted June 09, 2020 11:37 PM |
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For the ones that aren't corrupt they cannot do much, but I think JJ was more speaking on the philosophy rather than on the actual practices.
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posted June 10, 2020 12:05 AM |
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Corruption - like almost everything else - exists on a gradient of infinitely reducible degrees.
I would consider 100% of the USA corrupt in the sense that there are certain systems that I don't agree with and that affect the entire legislative process. I think there needs to be a constitutional convention to restructure how voting occurs and how people run for office, and until that happens then everything is going to be impacted by that deeply flawed model. I don't agree with calling the USA a democracy in the 21st century. While it was, relatively speaking, a democracy in the 18th and 19th century compared to the rest of the world, I believe other nations have a far perfected version of democracy. France, despite its many problems and its highly overrated wine, is a democracy. The United States is not a democracy.
Who I cast a ballot for means nothing. The system is designed in a manner such that a certain candidate is guaranteed to win and a certain candidate is guaranteed to lose. This is the case for the majority of the country. I do not have the right to vote. And the fact is, for blacks, this problem is worse because they have a criminal justice system that is rigged against them, among other things.
Now, far be it to be a brat and adopt a cynical mindset because of that. I have experience with kids from 3rd world countries and I know that some problems are far, far worse than other problems.
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Also, for the civilization based on Judeo-Christian values as being the most successful, one must be very confused to deny that.
Except that the success only came after secularization, meaning when they started to put a distance between those values and the law, science, ethics etc.
Besides, there is a continuity between Judaism and Christianity in terms of mythology but not in terms of values. One is tribal, supports commerce, very strict god figure who crushes down on enemies, the other has claim of universality, pacifist prophet figure, not keen on commerce... not even mentioning the different values of different christian sects.
Since secularization and age of discovery, Western civilization is on a peak, yes. But what’s that, give or take 500 years now. And people are already talking about China stepping in. The whole 500 years before that Muslims were on the peak, they had access to all trade routes of the old world while Western Europeans were trapped in “the corner” with nothing but the ocean and muddy forrests. Naturally, the Islamic world was more cosmopolitan and therefore more tolerant back in those days, one usually follows the other. There are even theories that we could have been in a very different world, had there not been the Mongol invasions that weakened the East. Though, I think the real problem comes from Islam’s incapability to secularize.
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