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posted June 10, 2020 06:55 PM |
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Like other Western countries, it is losing trillions of dollars and being killed off from the inside by the sexual revolution, but it at least has good social reforms from the past century that prevented innumerable problems that could otherwise have arisen.
The thing about social justice is that when you ignore problems and abuses on minorities they just get bigger. America's endemic problems just won't vanish into thin air if you continually moralize from a glass house with minorities that they need to "work harder".
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posted June 10, 2020 07:07 PM |
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@bloodsucker:
Some of the "slaves" in the ancient world were more analogous to military service. They were indebted to a certain house for X period of time or indefinitely if they so chose. Not necessarily a great model but still not nearly as bad as plantation slavery. At any rate, that was a long time ago and humanity was in a very different place in terms of development than where it is now. We're on the cusp of a massive industrial revolution from AI & robotics and the equability issue needs to be improved and fast or things will get worse.
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posted June 10, 2020 07:28 PM |
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Blizzardboy said:
Not necessarily a great model but still not nearly as bad as plantation slavery. At any rate, that was a long time ago and humanity was in a very different place in terms of development than where it is now.
I guess nothing is as bad as plantation slavery (maybe the mines) and I wasn't talking about human rights abuse, of course I agree with you on that. But it seamed to me you were trying to extrapolate from that a social law my little knowledge of history doesn't let me buy into.
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posted June 10, 2020 11:02 PM |
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Remember that for 95% whites in XIX live was very hard work. And most of them works in inhuman condition!
Sometimes blacks have better life than poors in capitalistic North! And better than english workers!
Ireland! Great famine 1848 ?! 1.5 mln deaths 20% of population!!! You remember? Was any famine in US for blacks?!
So all this ,antiracism speach' is nonsensible bla bla bla. Its only globalists propaganda to destroy freedom in the West.
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Russia. In 1750 it was very primitive country asiatic style despotism. But to 1917 they had very fast develepment!
In 1917 Russia was not Asia but Europe. French style culture german science etc.
Sadly they take over dirty french ,great revolution' propaganda marxism and many other westen patologies and was made revolution in their own country. It was tragedy.
Secularized latin civilisation is a poison. It must be with christian ethics. Another is tragedy. The same Japan China and many other destroed countries. Many countries destroy his own culture and tradition coping West instead build his own latin version of civilisation. Its only possible with christianity.
Poland is another. We have democracy in 1505. Highest latin level of civilisation. 1700 we have crisis of democracy similiar to modern West. You have probably similiar lvl of social development like Poland in 1700. Next was collapse because we have thugs arround Ottoman Russia Prussia "Austria"(it means Habsburgs family empire). Independece 1918 but 1939 thugs aggresion. 1989 communism was destroyed.
But now is not the same Poland as in past! Wasteland. Similiar to all Eastern Europe. Ofcourse not onlyeconomy destruction. Now its not so big but spiritual first!
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posted June 11, 2020 07:59 AM |
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Blizzardboy said:
IF there was a united Europe (which there isn't because people are reverting to tribal pre-War mode), one of the goals would be to fix the inequity throughout the continent.
You understand this is exactly what the EU does. My taxes in Finland are paying for roads in Romania and farmers in France, This is socialism and completely different from reparations. Don’t confuse the two.
Reparations are compensation for something. Because someone decided someone did something wrong.
Socialism is transfer of wealth because someone decided it is for the good of the society.
The former is for punishing someone, the latter is for helping someone else. There’s a difference of intent.
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posted June 11, 2020 01:38 PM |
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Baronus said:
Remember that for 95% whites in XIX live was very hard work. And most of them works in inhuman condition!
For a pseudo-scientist, you surely don't bother to get your data straight.
Life was terrible for 95% of the people in the countries that had already started the Industrial Revolution. Here in Portugal, for instance, it was business as usual. Colonialism was at peak and life in the metropolis was good for those owning interests in the colonies, which were quite a few. Most people in the rural areas worked in the primary sector, making a living from the land or the fishing and were in slightly better conditions then in the middle ages. That persists to this day, with a percentage decrease of the rural populations over the metropolitan areas.
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Ireland! Great famine 1848 ?! 1.5 mln deaths 20% of population!!! You remember?
Neither do you. None living today was born at the time.
To equate a natural disaster like the potato blight to the exploration of human lives is just another bad faith statement. None the less, it is said in Wikipedia that: the impact of the blight was exacerbated by the Whig government's economic policy of laissez-faire capitalism.
So, no points for you here.
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Was any famine in US for blacks?!
This is like asking: was there a black plague in America in the XIV century? Absolutely no relation between events and locations, just another bad faith assertion from a pseudo-scientist.
Baronus said:
So all this ,antiracism speach' is nonsensible bla bla bla. Its only globalists propaganda to destroy freedom in the West.
If by "destroy freedom in the West" you mean forbid baseless hate speech from ignorant trying to pass as scientists, I'm all for it.
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In 1917 Russia was not Asia but Europe. French style culture german science etc.
Sadly they take over dirty french ,great revolution' propaganda marxism and many other westen patologies and was made revolution in their own country. It was tragedy.
"In the early 1900s, Russia was one of the most impoverished countries in Europe with an enormous peasantry and a growing minority of poor industrial workers." (History.com)
"Russia entered into World War I in August 1914 in support of the Serbs and their French and British allies. Their involvement in the war would soon prove disastrous for the Russian Empire.
Militarily, imperial Russia was no match for industrialized Germany, and Russian casualties were greater than those sustained by any nation in any previous war. "(History.com)
First, leave Marx out of the equation, he said that Russia wasn't prepared to the communist revolution since it hadn't made the jump to the industrial age.
Second, during the first world war the Tzar recruited an army of peasants and poor people and sent them to fight the germans, with no formal training, no proper clothes and often no weapons, causing a tremendous loss of human lives. That was what made the people unrest, not propaganda from the west. Of course, ideas find a way to disseminate when they suit the situation.
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Secularized latin civilisation is a poison. It must be with christian ethics. Another is tragedy... Its only possible with christianity.
I'm not going to dignify the rest of your rant with an answer. I guess I already proved how much of a scientist and reliable unbiased poster you truly are.
(I was going to stick with "the lions" on the other thread but now I'm going to prepare the accurate rebuttal you asked for. Thanks for making me revue my first graduation (in Sociology), btw. After more then thirty years, I was in the need for it...)
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posted June 11, 2020 02:42 PM |
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I applaud this post! 
Well done.
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posted June 13, 2020 07:27 PM |
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bloodsucker said:
Man, I'm totally agreeing with you. I do believe this money will help advance the DNC agenda (more tax cuts for the rich) and not the cause they pretend to be in favor and that you live in a country where the rulers are completely full of bullsh!t. The problem is, you expect so much to be attacked you are defending from my support.
I'm glad I came back to read your reply. Your post was indeed misread(as you pointed out, easily so). I had had a really bad night(and a really bad time altogether trying to reach the left, right, and those on the fence as well; not only online but irl), and all I saw were people arguing against the color of the sky. I ended up swearing off politics and trying to reach people altogether, and deleted all my data proving my points of view on everything entirely. There's just no point; the world is absolutely filled with more people that belong in a sanitarium, than not(either that, or they know enough not to discuss real matters and keep their baseline intellect to themselves). It's frightening, enraging, and soul-crushing all at the same time, to be absolutely surrounded with lunatics seemingly hell-bent on the destruction of any opportunity of an actually decent civilization/life.
I'm still swearing off politics and society in general since nearly everyone I ever talk to about what's happening to the world are beyond help/reasoning, but I truly appreciate seeing someone else who won't argue about the sky being blue.
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posted June 13, 2020 08:01 PM |
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You're welcome.
I guess I also misread you. I thought you were saying I should be put in a cage, somewhere.
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posted June 13, 2020 08:06 PM |
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No, that's for the lunatic majority. Guess I should have made that clear. 
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posted June 13, 2020 08:18 PM |
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Not to burst any bubbles, but the majority can't be lunatic, because the majority defines what's "normal", that's basically in the definition of things.
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posted June 13, 2020 08:39 PM |
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Throughout history, "the norm" has been the enemy of human evolution. Pack mentality was vital in our rise as a species, but now it's what's holding us back; because the pack is clearly rabid. With each new generation, human degradation is evident and ever-accelerating. We need a return(?) to common sense, and a strict moral and unexploitable code to live by.
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posted June 13, 2020 09:13 PM |
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An elitist believer in miracles.
Everything can be exploited.
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posted June 13, 2020 09:23 PM |
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fred79 said:
We need a return(?) to common sense, and a strict moral and unexploitable code to live by.
We can't.
It's clear to me you're caught up in despair realizing how ugly human nature is. It is our limited, sinful nature, inescapable by our own means, we're born with it and live with it until the day we die. The fruit of it you can already see. And I, like you, think it's going to get so much worse.
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posted June 13, 2020 09:52 PM |
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I'm pretty sick of this guilt-laden crap.
We've been thrown into this ... reality without knowing how or why or what it even is we are living in, and we had to fight for our survibal from the getgo.
Look around you. Nature is harsh. Disasters, big and small, old and weak are preyed upon and predators fight against each other.
We are the only known species with self-awareness and a choice, but we also get sick and die and we know about that as well.
We didn't get anything on a silver plate as a species, and we can die easily within an eyeblink, be it a virus, an asteroid, an alien species or whatever else - and that is just in addition to the fact that we now have the ability of collective suicide (willing or not)
All rules, all morals, all laws have been made by ourselves, and the progress we made, if any, has been fought for with a lot of blood.
Up to this point, there is no one except us, and it absolutely doesn't do to somehow disassociate from the rest or the majority of the species. They are you, and you are they. We are all part of this, we all have our flaws and we all are the product of our surroundings. This crap, the others are so, whatever, mean, bad, stupid, lunatic - you are part of them!
So get a fragging grip - you are not some objective observer, you are in the midst and part of it. It wasn't exactly easy until now.
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posted June 13, 2020 09:57 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
An elitist believer in miracles.
Everything can be exploited.
Of course everything CAN be exploited. That's where the strict moral code comes in, guy. They're two ideas that go hand-in-hand.
@ stevie: I'm aware. Doesn't stop me from seeing what's needed. I'm doomed to seeing every mistake made and every wasted potential; and not being intelligent enough(or morally bereft enough, maybe) to spread a viable solution to the masses.
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posted June 13, 2020 09:59 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
I'm pretty sick of this guilt-laden crap.
We've been thrown into this ... reality without knowing how or why or what it even is we are living in, and we had to fight for our survibal from the getgo.
Look around you. Nature is harsh. Disasters, big and small, old and weak are preyed upon and predators fight against each other.
We are the only known species with self-awareness and a choice, but we also get sick and die and we know about that as well.
We didn't get anything on a silver plate as a species, and we can die easily within an eyeblink, be it a virus, an asteroid, an alien species or whatever else - and that is just in addition to the fact that we now have the ability of collective suicide (willing or not)
All rules, all morals, all laws have been made by ourselves, and the progress we made, if any, has been fought for with a lot of blood.
Up to this point, there is no one except us, and it absolutely doesn't do to somehow disassociate from the rest or the majority of the species. They are you, and you are they. We are all part of this, we all have our flaws and we all are the product of our surroundings. This crap, the others are so, whatever, mean, bad, stupid, lunatic - you are part of them!
So get a fragging grip - you are not some objective observer, you are in the midst and part of it. It wasn't exactly easy until now.
Maybe when you grow up and stop being part of the problem, you'll see things differently.
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posted June 13, 2020 10:41 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
there is no one except us, and it absolutely doesn't do to somehow disassociate from the rest or the majority of the species. They are you, and you are they. We are all part of this, we all have our flaws and we all are the product of our surroundings. This crap, the others are so, whatever, mean, bad, stupid, lunatic - you are part of them!
So get a fragging grip - you are not some objective observer, you are in the midst and part of it. It wasn't exactly easy until now.
It's my turn. I subscribe every f.cking word. Take responsibility for your own life.
He is the grow up here. We can't stop being part of the problem, even if we can sometimes be also part of the solution.
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posted June 13, 2020 11:15 PM |
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bloodsucker said:
We can't stop being part of the problem, even if we can sometimes be also part of the solution.
Very well said.
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posted June 14, 2020 01:49 AM |
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So you think i'm a part of the problem because i don't subscribe to white guilt based on something i was never a part of, or felt blessed/treated better than nonwhites? 
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