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posted August 19, 2020 04:05 PM |
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fred79 said:
Women, and all females in general, need more, and better, positive female role models and heroes to look up to. To strive to emulate, or surpass. Name me one female in the mainstream, for women or girls growing up, that can rightfully be called role models. The women i see at the forefront for people to supposedly look up to, are garbage. The teenage girls they have girls and teens looking up to are typically snows.
In western society, the heroes and heroines around us just keep getting worse and worse. Kinda like they've been designed that way; like the degradation of western society is being actively pushed/controlled/driven. Or maybe none of them were ever worth a snow, i don't know.
Pop culture icons, mostly, are pathetic, but it's not pushed/controlled/driven. This is what you repetitively don't understand. It's what the majority want. Marilyn Monroe and Brittany Spears and Adele and whoever else (and their male equivalents) get rich and famous by exploiting people's vices and vulnerabilities. Poor and working class people worship somebody who gets rich off of them when they themselves never will be. It's just a natural consequence from the combination of market capitalism and art.
Human beings aren't particularly noble or brave. They mostly respond to short-term reward systems. You don't need a small elite pushing X, Y, or Z agenda. It happens by itself. For the most part, fascists came to power with lots of popular support behind them from the public. You (usually) can't fix societal problems by removing a few individuals with a lot of power because those people are a symptom rather than the source.
This doesn't mean we should all become misanthropes and hop on the "I am cynical" bandwagon, but it helps to have a realistic understanding of human nature and human psychology, because if those views are built on a fiction, then all of your other views that develop from that are also going to be wrong.
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posted August 19, 2020 04:17 PM |
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fred79 said:
Name me one female in the mainstream, for women or girls growing up, that can rightfully be called role models.
Human Rights & Activism: Greta Thunberg, Ayaan Hirsi Ali;
Sports: Ronda Rousey;
Writers: Ursula LeGuin, Charlaine Harris, Collen McCullouch, Marion Zimmer Bradley, Suzanne Collins;
Actors: Alice Braga, Gal Gadot, Charlize Theron;
Politics: Angela Merkel;
Journalism: Crystal Ball;
eSports: Valerie Rayne;
These ones came in a minute, from the top of my head. Yeah! I know, I pay more attention to fiction/literature then politics and science...
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posted August 19, 2020 04:30 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 16:44, 19 Aug 2020.
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artu said:
No, they didnt change her into a woman, she is already a female in the comic universe. And what kind of non-sense is the rest, so according to you, if a female is the lead, so should the villain, what is that, some kind of plot rule? What about the third Thor movie then, Thor was a male and the villain was a female... You just make up non-sense and call anything that doesnt fit into it SJW agenda.
Actually Captain Marvel (or Mar-Vell) started as a male character. Because Marvel (the company  ) didn't have an idea for the character, he was killed off and resurrected a few times (nothing strange for a comic book hero but still), cus other characters became more popular at the time. At some point they reintroduced the character as a female. Similar story with America Chavez. A legacy character (Miss America) that they didn't have an idea for, so they made her Latino and LGBT.
I personally don't have anything against the Cpt. Marvel movie (despite being biased already before seeing it as I knew who Brie Larson was beforehand). I even find it pretty amusing and enjoyable like most MCU movies (and it has a nice plot twist), but I simply dislike the actress for her subpar acting skills and how rotten person in rl she is (she is phony, sexist, arrogant and full of herself). She is even disliked by her colleagues from MCU team (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CojKNRIn_5o). Her personality and acting make me like the movie less, just like any other movie with actors I don't like. Like I said many times before, I don't have anything against female roles in comic book adaptation movies or any other action flicks. As long as those characters are solid and not forced.
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posted August 19, 2020 04:42 PM |
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If you watch the movie Room, you'll see that she does have the ability to act. But then again, you already have a butthurt attitude towards her, so maybe it's too late for you to be able to see that movie objectively.
Anyway, talking about what actors say off-screen is another massive can of worms and an overload of information, but even assuming that Brie Larson is a tool in real life, it doesn't change the fact that Captain Marvel is an okay movie.
So far, the biggest offense it committed is that it had a female hero and a male villain.... Okkaaaaaay. FYI: almost all major villains are males.
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posted August 19, 2020 04:43 PM |
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Edited by artu at 16:44, 19 Aug 2020.
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@blob2
The movie didnt convert any male character into a female one. Carol Danvers existed in the comic universe since the 1960s and had her own magazine since the 1970’s. So, she did already exist as a woman in the comic universe like I said. The male Mar-vell is a separate character. I remember reading some of her adventures in Spider-Man issues as a teenager, although her own comic wasnt published here.
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posted August 19, 2020 04:47 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 16:48, 19 Aug 2020.
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artu said:
@blob2
The movie didnt convert any male character into a female one. Carol Danvers existed in the comic universe since the 1960s and had her own magazine since the 1970’s. So, she did already exist as a woman in the comic universe like I said. The male Mar-vell is a separate character. I remember reading some of her adventures in Spider-Man issues as a teenager, although her own comic wasnt published here.
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You are talking about Ms. Marvel. She assumed the role of Captain Marvel somewhere in the 2010s. This is something different as she has taken the role of a different character. Though to be honest Mar-vell or Captain Marvel has a really mixed-up story.
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posted August 19, 2020 04:53 PM |
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Blizzardboy said:
If you watch the movie Room, you'll see that she does have the ability to act. But then again, you already have a butthurt attitude towards her, so maybe it's too late for you to be able to see that movie objectively.
You have your opinion I have mine. Sue me.
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posted August 19, 2020 04:58 PM |
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Ms Marvel and Captain Marvel are the same person, she becomes Captain Marvel in the same universe, she’s not a female reboot of male Captain Mar-Vell. So either the comics or the movie didnt “change her into a woman.” It would still be her movie if she remained Ms.Marvel. The other hero simply didnt stick. And all of this doesnt change the fact that you have like 8 male lead MCU heroes and 1 female lead, yet even this seems too much to some people and is called “a spit on white males.” Damn, it must be so hard to be a white male in the West!
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posted August 19, 2020 05:01 PM |
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artu said:
Damn, it must be so hard to be a white male in the West!
Fortunately I live in the East 
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posted August 19, 2020 05:05 PM |
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I'm all in for Black Widow but I've found Captain Marvel weaker then all other MCU movies and it wasn't because I hate Brie Larson (even if I do so some inconscient BIAS may play a role) but because of the lack of inner struggle and character growth.
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posted August 19, 2020 05:07 PM |
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Eh sorry but no, all European Union members are part of the "Western world" or simply "the West".
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posted August 19, 2020 05:11 PM |
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Black Widow is an interesting character, unlike Captain Marvel. Being so OP makes you uninteresting. I didn't hate Captain Marvel but I found it underwhelming a bit as far as marvel movies go. But it certainly is made in the marvel formula, so I have no idea what fred is talking about as usual.
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posted August 19, 2020 05:15 PM |
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Fred is the same person who thinks Django Unchained is anti-white and that Tarantino made the movie because he wants to be liked, so it's fair to say that he has swallowed the idea of being a victim, hook, line and sinker.
People from Germany grow up with literally hundreds of movies/shows produced where they are the bad guys, and they learned not to whine about it, but one movie comes out where white American males are bad guys and Fred complains about it.
In case you haven't noticed, white American males have a tendency to be the real snowflakes in society. They grew up being taught how wonderful they were, and now they can't take anything at all before their little feelings get hurt. That's why they look towards an obese crook like Trump, because he's one of them and they look to him to be their protector.
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posted August 19, 2020 05:22 PM |
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I actually don't understand the fuss - the movies are crap anyway. That's true even for the X-Men stuff that did seem to have started things, disregarding the Superman/Batman stuff that was around. Last one I watched was Iron Man 3, I think, when I was staying a night in a hotel, and it was absolutely awful.
Completely different (and much worse) stuff than Netflix' Jessica Jones or Daredevil, which are amazingly good.
Movies about comic characters not even make sense, considering the fact that comics are endlessly continuing stories, with issue after issue and cliffhanger after cliffhanger, so TV series make a universe more sense than movies.
I also don't think that "comic heroes" - male or female - are or should be taken as role models, especially not superhero comics. They are, after all, humans with special powers - SPECIAL humans, and special humans are not role models.
What might be interesting is the hopefully upcoming TV series based upon the Wild Cards series of superhero books (which I would advise everyone to read into).
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posted August 19, 2020 05:24 PM |
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artu said:
“a spit on white males.”
I checked, I was the only one who used that expression. Please, tell me from where can you infer I was talking about Brie Larson or Captain Marvel?
But I do believe the 007 character turned black or a woman is "a spit on white males.” Even because isn't that hard call him Mata-Harri or something.
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posted August 19, 2020 05:36 PM |
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@artu Seriously come on dude, I need more superhero movie, so do a lot of people. I know they won't be the hallmarks of culture but they are really good at what they do - in entertaining. How can you say now we have had enough? You will never hear me say that we have had enough of romantic comedies although I despise them.
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posted August 19, 2020 05:50 PM |
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Same me. I buy all Marvel and DC movies. I love comics. I have a rarity Man-Thing movie. Aged 15 can watch Marvel Horror. My first Marvel movie is Man-Thing, why a rare? Finnish subtitle. Such!
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posted August 19, 2020 06:04 PM |
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@bloodsucker
You were directly quoting and supporting a post that talked about Captain Marvel. It’s called a context.
@ minion
Look, they are fun, especially if the universe has nostalgia value for you like it has for me, if you had read them when you were 12. But I think we had too many at once and rather than their existence, I find it odd that they became the main thing. There was a time when mainstream big hits were films like the Godfather or Dr. Jivago. You know, grown up stuff.
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posted August 19, 2020 06:15 PM |
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Edited by Minion at 18:23, 19 Aug 2020.
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When did you become a conservative /jk.
Anyways, I don't think you can get this kind of money with movies like Godfather. I believe that every kind of entertainment should have it's place, but there have been concerns that comic book movies take all the money and good movies have to be put on Netflix. But I can't see a solution that is realistic. People will see what they want to see. Or how would you go about in solving this problem?
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posted August 19, 2020 06:15 PM |
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I repeat, comic superhero movies are crap. You want an ongoing show, as with the comics. Like, The Amazing Spider-Man, season 10, titled: The Spider or the Man (this is the title of #100), which starts with the first appearance of Sam Bullit after season 9 closed with the death of Gewn's dad. The season would mostly revolve around Green Goblin (still Norman Osborn, the drug habit of his son and would close with Peter deciding to end his Spider-Man career, taking his self-developed anti-Spider serum, ending up with an additional 4 arms, making for a nice cliffhanger.
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