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Ben80
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posted March 07, 2022 05:09 PM |
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Baronus said:
Poland was not in Munich!
Detachments of "volunteers" then went to the Czechoslovak border, where they staged armed provocations and sabotage, attacked weapons depots[25]. Polish aircraft daily violated the border of Czechoslovakia. Polish diplomats in London and Paris advocated an equal approach to solving the Sudetenland and Cieszyn problems, while the Polish and German military, meanwhile, were already agreeing on the line of demarcation of troops in the event of an invasion of Czechoslovakia. At the suggestion of the Soviet Union to help Czechoslovakia, Poland refused to let Soviet troops and aircraft through its territory.
On September 27, another demand was made. Anti-Czech hysteria was being whipped up in Poland. On behalf of the so-called "Union of Silesian Insurgents" in Warsaw, recruitment into the Cieszyn Volunteer Corps was quite open.
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The Soviet Union tried to help Czechoslovakia against Hitler, but Poland did not let the troops through.
Learn true history. And in general, the guy, you look inadequate. You quarrel, you scream. As they say in the East, "you lose face." Stop showing everyone your bad upbringing.
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posted March 07, 2022 05:12 PM |
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@Salamandre
They say, that one image is worth of thousand words. So, lets illustrate this pretext with that one image, kinda yes?
(Warning! Humor included, though not so much.)
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Ghost
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posted March 07, 2022 05:13 PM |
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Maybe I got a picture, we have a neo-nazi in Finland
And then Russia attacks us? But neo-nazi vaginal denta in Russia.. We attack to Russia, thus we clean mythological propaganda from nazi woman.. Fearsome story?  Brainy says cannot..
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AlexSpl
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posted March 07, 2022 05:19 PM |
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The Soviet Union tried to help Czechoslovakia against Hitler, but Poland did not let the troops through.
How about the wide-spread opinion that Stalin and Hitler wanted to divide Europe into "spheres of influence", and Hitler just outsmarted Stalin?
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Ben80
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posted March 07, 2022 05:24 PM |
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AlexSpl said:
How about the wide-spread opinion that Stalin and Hitler wanted to divide Europe into "spheres of influence", and Hitler just outsmarted Stalin?
You see how this process has evolved over the years. At first, Stalin tried to negotiate with Britain and France on mutual defensive obligations. But these guys were not interested in this - Hitler was specially raised against a communist country (they realized the danger to themselves only later).
Stalin had to move the defensive lines to the west, and at the same time try to buy time to rearm the army.
If you wish, you can study all this yourself.
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Most likely, Stalin understood that a clash with Hitler was inevitable. Stalin began to fight the Nazis during the Spanish Civil War (1936-1939).
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Baronus
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posted March 07, 2022 05:29 PM |
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Russian fake viki true and honesty. Horrible nonsences.
Shoot Polish Policy 1938.
The collapse of Czechoslovakia was threatening for Poland.
The Polish government asked France or is ready to war with Hitler in defense of Czechoslovakia.
They said no!
For Hitler's task, the Polish government was waiting for the discussion of Czechoslovakia to Poland for help. It did not happen because Czechoslovakia was against Poland with agression. The Czechs counted on France and Anglie.
They made Munich and gave away Hitler Czechoslovakia. The Czechs did not want to fight.
In this situation, the Poles want Polish areas grabed in 1919 to Poland.
In this way, these areas did not fall into the hands of Hitler. The alternative would take them by Hitler.
Taking Hitler Polish terrain was good.
I studied it using historical books not ,wiki only educated'. Wiki is not oracle... Its main ww2 question.
At this is end, because this is not a topic about it. The topic specially tossed to turn attention from Russia's crimes.
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AlexSpl
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posted March 07, 2022 05:30 PM |
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Edited by AlexSpl at 17:31, 07 Mar 2022.
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But you cannot deny that fact that Stalin was not against Hitler's proposal to divide Europe. And in the worst scenario, the world should have fought both Stalin and Hitler?
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Ben80
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posted March 07, 2022 05:33 PM |
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AlexSpl said:
But you cannot deny that fact that Stalin was not against Hitler's proposal to divide Europe. And in the worst scenario, the world should have fought both Stalin and Hitler?
Here people all the time require proofs. Where is the proof that Stalin agreed with Hitler that he would receive half of Europe?
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Ben80
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posted March 07, 2022 05:34 PM |
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@Baronus
I cannot vouch that this is true, what is written in the wiki. But you will not deny the fact that after the Second World War Stalin added territories to Poland (mainly at the expense of Germany) ?
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AlexSpl
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posted March 07, 2022 05:36 PM |
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Here people all the time require proofs. Where is the proof that Stalin agreed with Hitler that he would receive half of Europe?
Do you think they were so stupid to document this?
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Ghost
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posted March 07, 2022 05:37 PM |
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Now Russia kept/published 48 unfriendly countries..
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Ben80
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posted March 07, 2022 05:40 PM |
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AlexSpl said:
Do you think they were so stupid to document this?
Well, you just voiced the Western-style "highly likely" accusation. After all, you can blame anyone for anything. Is it fair?
Stalin himself never met with Hitler and did not shake hands with him, unlike Western leaders.
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AlexSpl
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posted March 07, 2022 05:48 PM |
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Ben80
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posted March 07, 2022 05:54 PM |
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AlexSpl said:
You don't have to meet personally to sign pacts.
https://www.britannica.com/event/German-Soviet-Nonaggression-Pact
And mind that not all documents from that time, especially "classified" ones, are preserved "for future generations". Thus, history is just a part of what really were happening then.
"Which divided eastern Europe into German and Soviet". Eastern Europe, not whole Europe, part of Eastern Europe.
In addition, it can be noted that all the occupied territories are territories that were once part of the Russian Empire (relatively recently, 1914). I have already spoken about the defensive significance of all this.
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Baronus
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posted March 07, 2022 05:57 PM |
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Edited by Baronus at 18:23, 07 Mar 2022.
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@Baronus
I cannot vouch that this is true, what is written in the wiki. But you will not deny the fact that after the Second World War Stalin added territories to Poland (mainly at the expense of Germany) ?
You dont know it because its logically in polish books
Not because Stalin unscrewed the war which without Stalin would not be to steal these areas.
Stalin attacked Poland together with Hitler.
Poland wanted Czechoslovakia protected Poland from the south but in Munich, CS was presented Hitler . Poland was ready to fight for Czechoslovakia but Prague did not want. You can not rescuate someone who does not save yourself.
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Stalin did not want Poland to exist and perished him from the West So together with Hitler attacked Poland. He dismissed Hitler 1/2 of Poland. Then he lost 30 million people and ruined theUSSR and Europe countries.
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Stalin worked reverse than Poland. Poland was good.
This period is great praise Poland. Like any country.
For me the most fascinated is the preventive war 1933. Poles wanted to change Hitler before he grew!
Prevention war
Destroing Hitler was constant polish policy since 1933! Good to know history.
Glory of Poland.
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posted March 07, 2022 05:58 PM |
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Salamandre said:
JollyJoker said:
@ Salamandre
I have no clue what your point is.
Polls for the French Elections currently see Le Pen at 17% and Zemmour at 12, that's 29% on the far right and Pécresses Republicans are right as well (although not THAT far right) for another 13%.
Would it be okay to assault France because of so many Nazis?
These people you mention never had any nazi related speech or comment, while the one I mention had more than one.
I know there is a retarded version of reality where anything on right political side equal nazi, but please, could you put on pause when serious things are debated, thanks.
I disagree - but I still don't see your point.
What IS your point?
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posted March 07, 2022 05:59 PM |
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To this public pact of nonaggression was appended a secret protocol, also reached on August 23, 1939, which divided the whole of eastern Europe into German and Soviet spheres of influence. Poland east of the line formed by the Narew, Vistula, and San rivers would fall under the Soviet sphere of influence. The protocol also assigned Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, and Finland to the Soviet sphere of influence and, further, broached the subject of the separation of Bessarabia from Romania. A secret supplementary protocol (signed September 28, 1939) clarified the Lithuanian borders. The Polish-German border was also determined, and Bessarabia was assigned to the Soviet sphere of influence. In a third secret protocol (signed January 10, 1941, by Count Friedrich Werner von Schulenberg and Molotov), Germany renounced its claims to portions of Lithuania in return for Soviet payment of a sum agreed upon by the two countries.
So, I was right about "secret" protocols.
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posted March 07, 2022 06:01 PM |
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AlexSpl said:
So, I was right about "secret" protocols.
Open secret.
I was also right.
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posted March 07, 2022 06:08 PM |
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Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, and Finland
So, say, how would Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, and Finland prevent themselves from being "between hammer and anvil"? Now Russia blames Ukraine people for their attempt to defend themselves from warmonger countries which sign such "secret protocols"? Do you think it's fair? And a country can do what it wants if it's stronger?
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Salamandre
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posted March 07, 2022 06:46 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
I disagree - but I still don't see your point. What IS your point?
Well, my point could be that people who don't follow a conversation from start but instead pick it at the end then ask what's about, should better abstain. Ihor knows what's about, it was directed to him.
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