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Cat
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Gonna Get Dirrty...
posted August 23, 2002 05:15 PM

What I'd like to see includes *(while we are making crazy demands lol)

1. Different "skins" or being able to chose how the board looks through your profile.  It just makes it more personal.

2. Avatar links.  Being able to link to an off-site avatar would actually reduce Val's workload considerably.. the option could become available after X amount of posts like a custom or reservation.

However, this must be carefully monitored as it could be abused.  But as people are able to choose their sigs, I don't see it as being very different.

3. "Proxy" admin.  When Val will be away for prolonged periods of time, a proxy admin should be chosen from the moderators to deal with certain duties that moderators cannot do otherwise.. ie, temporary bans.

Oh and all sorts of other things really...
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posted August 23, 2002 05:42 PM

I think that there should be new thread ratings for the Library and Lands. We have plenty new ratings for tavern threads. Why can't we have ones that define what kind of threads are in those taverns.

Ex:

Map Making
Campaigns
Town Strategy
Battle Tactics
Heroes
Trivia
Creatures

...

Using the thread filters you can have quick access to all the latest threads covering different topics in the forums. The different topics are listed under the Library of Enlightenment at the home page to tell people where the different kinds of threads are. Why can't we make it even easier to find them by adding a couple more thread ratings.

Constantly in the Library, I see newbies making threads like Total Newbie needs help

We should have a different rating called troubleshooting for threads like this.
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posted August 23, 2002 07:31 PM

That's a good idea, RS.

However, if we could have "sticky" or "pinned" topics, such as a newbies guide and one of the many QP debates it would save on repetition and the whole anti-newb vibe
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posted August 24, 2002 09:30 PM

Users problem

There are lot of useres who have 0 post (some have even -1)
I think that the users with 0 posts that have been  registered at least a month ago should be deleted!
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posted July 20, 2003 11:15 AM
Edited By: Djive on 20 Jul 2003

I'm going to give Val a donation to fund some improvements to the HC board. It won't be able to cover all the below improvements. (Several of them suggested by other members.) but should be able to care of some of them.

Members please comment on the relative importance of these improvements. I'll be using your ratings when selecting the ones which will be done. I've also listed some Mod improvement, which I'll rate myself. I don't think members will rate them high.

Use 5 graded scale where "5" is high importance and "1" low importance.

Please use the full scale giving each importance level to at least one improvement.

Also if you want to chip in a donation to get a certain improvement done, then feel free to do so.

Also if I've left out something which you think should be done then mention it here.

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HC Script Change Suggestions

Donation asked for by Val.
Stickies $10
User Profiles, $15 for all 3.
User settings (skins) High donation, very difficult to do.
Bugs: Free assuming Val receives a donation. No need to rate.
Modtool (Remove Selected Post): $20
Avatars: Not priced yet.
Red stars: $2
New Thread Ratings: $3
Member Pruning: $10
Memberlist Remake: $15

* Stickies

* User Profiles, Ability to list user's 20 last posts.
* User Profiles, Ability to expand user topics to list all user's topics.
* User Profiles, Ability to expand QP topic list to list all user's +QPs.

* User settings, User selectable Skins to use in threads. (Colours and/or Fonts).

* Bugs
- Fix 'Last Page' bug on the Memberlist page.
- Fix "Delete post will delete thread since this is first post in topic" warning so it appears when it should and doesn't appear when it shouldn't.
- Fix forum page count bug  in Last 5 replies threads (wrong on 20*x posts), Today's posts (wrong on 20*x posts), and on Forum pages  (wrong for exactly 20 posts)

* Mod Tools, Remove Selected Posts Option).

* Avatars, Place Avatars on a dedicated ftp area so Mods can assist in managing them. OR
* Avatars, Avatar links (Off the forum, though this would require Mod Tool to reset Avatar.)
* Avatars, Make it easier to display and select Avatars. Categories: Male/Female, Heroes 3 Heroes/Creatures/Others, Custom Avatars.

* Red stars. Three red stars removes flood-protect when editing.

* New Thread Ratings. Map Making, Town Strategy, Battle Tatics, Heroes, Trivia, Creatures (Feel free to suggest more.)

* Non-active member pruning - system that would give mods a list of potential members for deletionm based on appropriate criteria, and enable for the deletion.

* Memberlist remake - browse by posts, by QP, etc, etc, just a good all around remake of memberlist which has been asked for.

Added from ThE_HyDrA's reply.
* User profile, Stat: QPs vs. Forums.
* User profile, Stat: Posts vs. Forums.

* User setings/Avatar, upload your own Avatar on HC.
* Adding H4 avatars.

* Statistics, Monthly posting charts.

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posted July 20, 2003 11:41 AM
Edited By: Dmnd on 20 Jul 2003

Use 5 graded scale where "5" is high importance and "1" low importance.

* Stickies 5++

* User Profiles, Ability to list user's 20 last posts. 2
* User Profiles, Ability to expand user topics to list all user's topics. 1
* User Profiles, Ability to expand QP topic list to list all user's +QPs. 1

* User settings, User selectable Skins to use in threads. (Colours and/or Fonts). 0

* Bugs
- Fix 'Last Page' bug on the Memberlist page. 3
- Fix "Delete post will delete thread since this is first post in topic" warning so it appears when it should and doesn't appear when it shouldn't. 4
- Fix forum page count bug in Last 5 replies threads (wrong on 20*x posts), Today's posts (wrong on 20*x posts), and on Forum pages (wrong for exactly 20 posts) 4

* Mod Tools, Remove Selected Posts Option).

* Avatars, Place Avatars on a dedicated ftp area so Mods can assist in managing them. OR 3
* Avatars, Avatar links (Off the forum, though this would require Mod Tool to reset Avatar.) 3
* Avatars, Make it easier to display and select Avatars. Categories: Male/Female, Heroes 3 Heroes/Creatures/Others, Custom Avatars. 5

* Red stars. Three red stars removes flood-protect when editing. 3

* New Thread Ratings. Map Making, Town Strategy, Battle Tatics, Heroes, Trivia, Creatures (Feel free to suggest more.) 4

* Member pruning - system that would give mods a list of potential members for deletionm based on appropriate criteria, and enable for the deletion. 5

* Memberlist remake - browse by posts, by QP, etc, etc, just a good all around remake of memberlist which has been asked for.  5

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* Memberlist remake - browse by posts, by QP, etc, etc, just a good all around remake of memberlist which has been asked for.  5


Instead of being something that needs to be constantly updated is there a way to have someone whos been inactive for say 2 months (say) automatically removed from the memberlist?
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posted July 20, 2003 12:01 PM
Edited By: Djive on 20 Jul 2003

Quote:

Dont like this idea at all - its too highly subjective.  So someone gets on a mods nerves and they can delete them? Who decides the criteria?  Who makes sure the criteria are really enforced? The qps are subjective enough and something I personally feel are laughable but if we make banning ppl too easy well the board will loose some of its unique flavour imo anyhow


"appropriate criteria" I'd say translates to zero posts on the forum by said member, and member account being of a certain minimum age (registration date) or even better based on the time last time the member made a post. (And  the db would have to keep track of last post made even if said post is deleted.) Time from last post should be say 1 month before the account can be deleted.

Who decides the criteria? Val does so in the script based on the input you provide for him.

Mods simply don't have enough time on their hands to find and delete all posts made by a certain member, so it will be used on members who have five or less posts on the forum. The member can create a new user and has the Turban Tribunal to use for making a complaint.

What I initially suggested to Val was a list of members with less than 5 posts, including information about which forums they posted to so Mods could remove the last posts. The actual member removal was then done by running the exisiting member pruning scripts.

There are huge amounts of members who have 1-5 posts taking up place in our database. Most of them having 1.

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Instead of being something that needs to be constantly updated is there a way to have someone whos been inactive for say 2 months (say) automatically removed from the memberlist?


That was my original idea with the member pruning. They can be auto-removed but the script does this only if the user has zero posts.

Mods are at the moment fairly helpless since we can only remove posts in our own forum, and currently we don't know which users have only one post made in our Forum.

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posted July 20, 2003 12:10 PM

Ahhh okei that makes more sense
Maybe should change the member pruning to read "non active member pruning"?  I had visions of active ones being cut
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posted July 20, 2003 02:33 PM

My thoughts on the situation

This is one of my very few offtopic posts, however, I believe it is in the community's best interest that as many people as possible to post here in order for Valeriy to receive a communal message with a global consensus, instead of a few people posting their thoughts (as helpful as it is).

I am indeed a member of some other boards on the internet, and that includes the round table and the 3D0 community. And of those three communities, Heroes Community has the best format with the most user friendly interface. It is easy to use and is a rather in depth board. However, a Heroes board that makes this design obsolete is the Guardians Grove message board, which has a myriad of options, it is unfortunate that there are not many people there to experience the diversity of it. If we were to idolise one board format, I believe that one would be it. However, HC is in no need of an upgrade, merely a re-thinking of the rules and format we have at hand at this moment.

The funding system is not accessible to many people. I know several people, who are not old enough (including myself), which would like to donate money but cannot. And considering that at least a 1/4 of the people on the message board do not have a credit card, it is up to the older members to pitch in, which I see to be unfit. If Valeriy came up to me one day, I would give him money for making this community occur, and for it to stay afloat. However, that will not happen, and I feel bad about not being able to donate money. Nevertheless, it is commendable that the system is in practice, and I know that Djive and others have donated in the past.

The avatar list was a great feature implemented by Valeriy, and even more praiseworthy is the reservation of avatars which stopped the feuds that used to take place here in the early days about stealing an avatar, etc. However, I do in fact have one criticism about the avatar system. The way avatars are uploaded. I believe it is laudable that you require 50 posts before you have the privilege to request a custom avatar, but it is too difficult for Valeriy to process all of these requests at once. This makes some members impatient, and in very rare cases, they do not get their avatar uploaded at all. So what I suggest is that once you get to 50 posts, you are able to upload your own avatar, as per other boards, so that Valeriy does not need to go through the fuss of uploading them all.

The main problem with Heroes Community's current board is the lack of sticky threads. I know a multitudinous amount of members have brought up this topic prior to me saying so, but if it is implemented, it will save people, mainly moderators much time of having to update the very important threads all the time. I know Djive, Hexa, and some others need to frequently update their threads in order to keep them on top where they need to be. Implementing stickies can be done I believe by writing 'sticky' as the thread rating an writing an accompanying script.

My Ratings on Djive's Suggestions: (Mine are rated on a scale from 1-10)

Profiles and user settings

"User Profiles, Ability to list user's 20 last posts."

Doesn't seem to be a hugely impressive or imperative addition. However I can see the use of it in some cases. I wouldn't ask for it to be added if it required too much money. 3.5/10

"User Profiles, Ability to expand user topics to list all user's topics."

Again, it doesn't seem to crucial. However it would be nice to see them. 3/10

"User Profiles, Ability to expand QP topic list to list all user's +QPs."

This is certainly not needed for the rest of the community, since only a handful have more than 10 QP's. However, for me, who has more than double that, it would be a great addition. Community: 1/10 Myself: 7/10

"User settings, User selectable Skins to use in threads. (Colours and/or Fonts)."

Not a very big deal at all. I don't care for the fancy colours. One only needs a few editing tools to get ones point across: normal text, italics, bold, underlines, and pictures. However I see others being thrilled by this development if it were to occur.
1/10.

New Additions
+> It would be interesting to see where you got certain bonuses, and where you posted certain threads. So in the profile, there could be as such:
14 bonuses applied in Altar of Wishes
6 bonuses applied in Lands of Axeoth
1 bonus applied in Tavern of the rising sun.
Same thing for threads.
I would give it 4.5/10

+> Find out who gave you a certain -QP or +QP.
4/10

+> Maybe a little to detailed and optimistic, but how much percentage of your posts were in a forum:
Altar of Wishes: 85%
Lands of Axeoth 14%, etc.
2.5/10

Bugs

"Fix 'Last Page' bug on the Memberlist page."

Yes, I'd like to see that problem fixed. It can become rather annoying when the order is muddled and you don't know where you are anymore. 6/10

"Fix "Delete post will delete thread since this is first post in topic" warning so it appears when it should and doesn't appear when it shouldn't."

Not such a huge problem, people can be told to ignore this warning when it falsly appears. But I can see that many new members won't have the time to do that. 7/10

"Fix forum page count bug in Last 5 replies threads (wrong on 20*x posts), Today's posts (wrong on 20*x posts), and on Forum pages (wrong for exactly 20 posts)"

Not a massively important or immediate problem. But when you realise you've been given the wrong information, then I believe it needs to be fixed. 6/10

New Addition

+> I discovered a bug while rating a thread. It says, "You rating has been submitted" Extremely small. 5/10

Moderator Options

"Mod Tools, Remove Selected Posts Option)."

Yes, I would like to see this one. I believe as moderators they should be able to remove a selected post, as it makes their job much easier and quicker. 9/10

Avatars

"Avatars, Place Avatars on a dedicated ftp area so Mods can assist in managing them."

I agree with this suggestion. The number of avatars on this board requires more than just one person to manage them, and the only other individuals would have to be moderators. 7.5/10

"Avatars, Avatar links (Off the forum, though this would require Mod Tool to reset Avatar.)"

No, I disagree. I like the first option. The avatars should be readily accessible on the site, so new users and ones that hope to join can use them. Also it seems added work for both Valeriy and the moderators. 0/10

"Avatars, Make it easier to display and select Avatars. Categories: Male/Female, Heroes 3 Heroes/Creatures/Others, Custom Avatars."

Yes, this sounds like a fair proposal. It would also make searching of the avatar list more economical. 8/10.

New Additions

+> Able to add your own custom avatar once you have reached 50 posts. 9/10

+> There is one problem with reserving avatars that still remains. The members that have used your avatar in the past still have it once it is reserved. While they cannot post, if it is a member who has many posts already, it would still seem like they are using the avatar. I believe we should employ a system that sets the users avatar back to nothing when a certain avatar is reserved. 6/10

+> Add Heroes IV avatars. I am aware that there are many new and unique Heroes in Heroes IV, and it would be good if they were added also. 8/10

Red Stars

My area of specialty LOL.

"Three red stars removes flood-protect when editing."

Doesn't make a difference to me. Concerning others, I believe it is a good reward for users who have the promising status, (many of them do) as they have no bonus at the moment. It is a very good proposition. 9/10

New Additions

+> Six red star members should be able to visit MSHQ. I know this is already under discussion in that very forum, but since we're having a large discussion outside of that forum, I'd like to see what others think. 9/10

+> Members should be able to request if they would not like a Quality Point. For example, if someone needs 1 QP to get to promising, but they don't want it, they should be given the freedom of choice. 4/10

Miscellaneous

"New Thread Ratings. Map Making, Town Strategy, Battle Tatics, Heroes, Trivia, Creatures (Feel free to suggest more.)"

I am in agreeance with this. Other ratings could be intriguing, sport, summary, must-read, help, poor, revived, insightful. 9/10

"Non-active member pruning - system that would give mods a list of potential members for deletionm based on appropriate criteria, and enable for the deletion."

Indeed. A very handy option to have available. 8/10

"Memberlist remake - browse by posts, by QP, etc, etc, just a good all around remake of memberlist which has been asked for."

Yes, I asked for a QP ranking system some time ago now, and it seems as though it is to be implemented in the future. A re-make of the memberlist would be appreciated, but it would also be rather time-consuming. 9/10

New Additions

+> Provide monthly posting charts. As an example, it would show who received most QP's this month, most posts this month, most -QPs, most threads made, etc. That would just be interesting to see in my mind. 7.5/10

Again, I encourage as many members as possible to voice their opinion on this thread. It is not only for the betterment of the Heroes Community, but for the improvement of the time you spend here; making it a more enjoyable experience.
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Zapper of Toads
posted July 20, 2003 03:40 PM
Edited By: Djive on 20 Jul 2003

=> Adding some comments and my own rough ratings.

"User Profiles, Ability to list user's 20 last posts."

Doesn't seem to be a hugely impressive or imperative addition. However I can see the use of it in some cases. I wouldn't ask for it to be added if it required too much money. 3.5/10

=> Actually, this is one of my most wanted things. Guess I'm a bit nosy but it's a feature which I've actually been using on some boards that have it.

"User Profiles, Ability to expand user topics to list all user's topics."

Again, it doesn't seem to crucial. However it would be nice to see them. 3/10

=> This is also useful. Sometime you know a certain author made a topic but locating that topic is a nightmare. Even using google is unreliable for finding the topic you want with relative ease.

"User Profiles, Ability to expand QP topic list to list all user's +QPs."

This is certainly not needed for the rest of the community, since only a handful have more than 10 QP's. However, for me, who has more than double that, it would be a great addition. Community: 1/10 Myself: 7/10

=> As said. I'm a bit nosy... But this is a minor importance to me. There are ways of getting this information anyway through google, if you really want it.

"User settings, User selectable Skins to use in threads. (Colours and/or Fonts)."

Not a very big deal at all. I don't care for the fancy colours. One only needs a few editing tools to get ones point across: normal text, italics, bold, underlines, and pictures. However I see others being thrilled by this development if it were to occur.
1/10.

=> Places fairly low for me too.

New Additions
+> It would be interesting to see where you got certain bonuses, and where you posted certain threads. So in the profile, there could be as such:
14 bonuses applied in Altar of Wishes
6 bonuses applied in Lands of Axeoth
1 bonus applied in Tavern of the rising sun.
Same thing for threads.
I would give it 4.5/10

=> User profile. Personally I think the links are enough. You can make your own statistics. Places fairly low.

+> Find out who gave you a certain -QP or +QP.
4/10

=> User profile. This information is likely not available in the DB, which would mean it can't be done. Will have to ask Val about that one.

+> Maybe a little to detailed and optimistic, but how much percentage of your posts were in a forum:
Altar of Wishes: 85%
Lands of Axeoth 14%, etc.
2.5/10

=> This belongs in user profile. Hmmm this is fairly interesting.

Bugs

"Fix 'Last Page' bug on the Memberlist page."

Yes, I'd like to see that problem fixed. It can become rather annoying when the order is muddled and you don't know where you are anymore. 6/10

=> Don't know if we refer to the same bug. The problem arises if you try to list the last page according to "registration date" or "post count" on the member list page. The "Last page" link will always list according to aplhabetcial order.


"Fix forum page count bug in Last 5 replies threads (wrong on 20*x posts), Today's posts (wrong on 20*x posts), and on Forum pages (wrong for exactly 20 posts)"

Not a massively important or immediate problem. But when you realise you've been given the wrong information, then I believe it needs to be fixed. 6/10

=> The problem is that the links doesn't list the last page.

New Addition

+> I discovered a bug while rating a thread. It says, "You rating has been submitted" Extremely small. 5/10

=> I'm sure Val will take care of this typo also.

Moderator Options

"Mod Tools, Remove Selected Posts Option)."

Yes, I would like to see this one. I believe as moderators they should be able to remove a selected post, as it makes their job much easier and quicker. 9/10

=> Note: Mods can already remove posts the way any member can remove their own posts. What the feature allows the Mod do is to remove several posts at once from the topic thread. (Without pressing Edit Post for each individual post to be taken away.)

Avatars

"Avatars, Place Avatars on a dedicated ftp area so Mods can assist in managing them."

I agree with this suggestion. The number of avatars on this board requires more than just one person to manage them, and the only other individuals would have to be moderators. 7.5/10

=> We'll see about this one. Something needs to be done to improve responce times for handling new Avatars.

"Avatars, Avatar links (Off the forum, though this would require Mod Tool to reset Avatar.)"

No, I disagree. I like the first option. The avatars should be readily accessible on the site, so new users and ones that hope to join can use them. Also it seems added work for both Valeriy and the moderators. 0/10

=> Not really. The Mod Tool is needed to reset Avatars if the member loads an unapproriate Avatar. They can do pretty much the same through the signature already so it adds no new problems. (Basically the Mod needs the same possibilites as for signatures which are already "free".)

=> Also, as an addition if we pick this alternative I'd likely want to connect this feature with having three RED stars also.

"Avatars, Make it easier to display and select Avatars. Categories: Male/Female, Heroes 3 Heroes/Creatures/Others, Custom Avatars."

Yes, this sounds like a fair proposal. It would also make searching of the avatar list more economical. 8/10.

=> This is low priority to me. (Done too seldom to have high prio.)

New Additions

+> Able to add your own custom avatar once you have reached 50 posts. 9/10

=> Hmmm.... This would be a feasible alternative. I'd say the avatar links is about the same and less risky in some ways. The only difference is where the avatar is stored. This has the advantage that the scripts could check size and user don't have to have own web-space.

+> There is one problem with reserving avatars that still remains. The members that have used your avatar in the past still have it once it is reserved. While they cannot post, if it is a member who has many posts already, it would still seem like they are using the avatar. I believe we should employ a system that sets the users avatar back to nothing when a certain avatar is reserved. 6/10

=> They can still post using that Avatar. What they can't do is to change their profile. I'd say no to this one. There could be awful complications in regard to avatar napping to lock out other users. (Not all users have their avatars reserved as they should.)

+> Add Heroes IV avatars. I am aware that there are many new and unique Heroes in Heroes IV, and it would be good if they were added also. 8/10

=> I guess this could be done. Myself I prefer the H3 ones. Don't really like the way they were done in H4.

Red Stars

My area of specialty LOL.

"Three red stars removes flood-protect when editing."

Doesn't make a difference to me. Concerning others, I believe it is a good reward for users who have the promising status, (many of them do) as they have no bonus at the moment. It is a very good proposition. 9/10

=> High prio. I want three red stars to be worthwile. And many vet users have this by now. Eight stars for the first bonus is a lot.

New Additions

+> Six red star members should be able to visit MSHQ. I know this is already under discussion in that very forum, but since we're having a large discussion outside of that forum, I'd like to see what others think. 9/10

=> Discussed in ModSquad HQ.

+> Members should be able to request if they would not like a Quality Point. For example, if someone needs 1 QP to get to promising, but they don't want it, they should be given the freedom of choice. 4/10

=> I don't like this feature. Just personal pref. on what members shouldn't do.

Miscellaneous

"New Thread Ratings. Map Making, Town Strategy, Battle Tatics, Heroes, Trivia, Creatures (Feel free to suggest more.)"

I am in agreeance with this. Other ratings could be intriguing, sport, summary, must-read, help, poor, revived, insightful. 9/10

=> Will add most of these. Though not "poor". I don't want negative ratings. And "revived" should not replace a better rating.

"Non-active member pruning - system that would give mods a list of potential members for deletionm based on appropriate criteria, and enable for the deletion."

Indeed. A very handy option to have available. 8/10

=> Places fairly high for me.

"Memberlist remake - browse by posts, by QP, etc, etc, just a good all around remake of memberlist which has been asked for."

Yes, I asked for a QP ranking system some time ago now, and it seems as though it is to be implemented in the future. A re-make of the memberlist would be appreciated, but it would also be rather time-consuming. 9/10

=> About average priority to me.

New Additions

+> Provide monthly posting charts. As an example, it would show who received most QP's this month, most posts this month, most -QPs, most threads made, etc. That would just be interesting to see in my mind. 7.5/10

=> Hmmm.... I'll have to think a bit more on this one.
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posted July 20, 2003 04:33 PM

My personal feedback.. while hardly nescessary is something I'd like to submit.  Firstly, I'd just like to say that I am happy to donate to paypal if it would genuinely improve things in the HC atmospherics.

* Stickies

I've always been an advocate of stickies/ announcemnts.  Only a moderator can make a topic into a sticky and I am happy with that that is absolutely the way it should be. IMO, stickies would help us avoid topic repition ("Hi I'm new here", etc) and allow "vital" posts such as the tables of content to remain where people can use them, at the top of the forum.  A ToC is no use on P5.


Profiles/ Settings/ Avatars/ Skins

* User Profiles, Ability to list user's 20 last posts

I'm not so sure this is nescessary.  Given the choice between this and a cosmetic amensment, I'd likely go for the cosmetics to be honest.

* User Profiles, Ability to expand user topics to list all user's topics

I like this a lot.. not only for the benefit of other users but also to allow a degree of "self-cleaning", or removing topics which are no longer any use to the board.

* User Profiles, Ability to expand QP topic list to list all user's +QPs.

Back to this later (see "the QP Problem")

* User settings, User selectable Skins to use in threads. (Colours and/or Fonts)

I'm an advocate of skins, as I believe that it's important as a member to be able to personalise the board to your own tastes to a degree.  It makes the community seem more welcoming and user-friendly.  The same with "personal" font settings.  It is something which breaks up the uniformaty of the board as a whole... beig able to see one post i red then one in blue, for instance, breaks up block text in what could otherwise be a visually dull and hard to follow thread.  I'm sure we have a lot of members who tend not to read every post in a thread because the sheer length of the posts puts them off.  Perhaps with new formats reading lengthly posts may be a little more rewarding to the eyes.

Custom Avatrs:- Uploading And Linking

I love custom avatars.  Again, they just make a difference.  And I like the avatar reservation idea too.  Credit where it's due, some excellent amendments have been made.  Now, I know nothing about board formatting, but something I have noticed on many other boards is the opportuninty to either link to an off-site avatar or to upload your own (tempoerarily) from your hard drive.

Potentially this would become available at 51 posts, like avatar reservation.  Obviously, this is more subject to abuse than the current system, but no more than the signiture option.  If "illegal" (ie, pornographic) avatars are posted by a memeber, a caution should be made.  If it happened again the option should be removed.

Bugs

Fix 'Last Page' bug on the Memberlist page

This is an annoyance, and although a minor one, bugs impede the smooth running of the site and ought to be fixed, no question.  Even beneficial ones! lol

Fix "Delete post will delete thread since this is first post in topic" warning so it appears when it should and doesn't appear when it shouldn't

See above.

Fix forum page count bug in Last 5 replies threads (wrong on 20*x posts), Today's posts (wrong on 20*x posts), and on Forum pages (wrong for exactly 20 posts)

This one is a personal bugbear.  It's a slight annoyance only but an annoyance nevertheless.

Mod Tools, Powers And Position

Avatars, Place Avatars on a dedicated ftp area so Mods can assist in managing them. OR
Avatars, Avatar links (Off the forum, though this would require Mod Tool to reset Avatar.)


This ties with my avatar option and I can only see benefits for this, really.  With every new member consession there should be a new moderator tool to allow for potential of abuse or sinply misdirection.

Avatars, Make it easier to display and select Avatars. Categories: Male/Female, Heroes 3 Heroes/Creatures/Others, Custom Avatars

This would be a time saver, but not vital in the way that fixing bugs would be.  While of little use to estalished memebers, this would be a nice concession to make to Joe Newbie, who will know little about board navigation yet.  to establish your avatar is to establish your board identity.  The sooner you have this the better.

New Thread Ratings. Map Making, Town Strategy, Battle Tatics, Heroes, Trivia, Creatures (Feel free to suggest more.)

Helpful, again more for newbies than established members.  I will try and think of some others, although too many would no doubt confuse the situation beyond the pale.

Non-active member pruning - system that would give mods a list of potential members for deletionm based on appropriate criteria, and enable for the deletion

Although, how long would a member have to be inactive for?  Ad could we really justify deleting posters such as Shae or Milena?

Memberlist remake - browse by posts, by QP, etc, etc, just a good all around remake of memberlist which has been asked for

Yeah... a re-vamp is long overdue.  As well as a tidyup.  also it would be nice if it was possible to delete your own account... for instance, if like Lith-Maethor you had a pervious account that you no longer use, it would be useful to be able to delete it yourself.  However, for purposes of continuity this should not remove your posts.  I propose the posts and username remaining, but with no indicator stars or avatar and the legend "Deleted Member" below it... that way we can avoid a Wesley Mk 2

The QP Problem

I cosider myself a middling memeber when it comes to these.  But no means an expert but not a total ignoramus either.

HC is the only online community I have visited which has a QP system in place.  The QP system started as a way to reward posters for making interesting, thoughtful or exceptional in any way posts, and to encourage less spam and more "quality".

However, like all titanic ideas, it has hit not a few icebergs.  I will admit that it has indeed become more difficult to gain QPs these days.  However, as the forum grows, it will become harder to be original.  

Also, the subjectivity of QPs is a problem which is a addressed often.  Memebers end to refuse to accept decisions.  This is riduculos... HC is not a democracy.  If anything it's a Val-ocracy.  We have all had posts which we feel should have been ewarded but weren't.  But equally, we have all posted a load of worthless tripe which has recieved a surprise accolade so I'd say it evens out.

Another problem created is that of resentment and "thread aping".  Thread aping is copying a QP post almost to the letter in the hope to gain one themselves.  This is a supremely unconstructive idea.  Not to mention pointless.  And the amount of stigma attatched to QP members is ridiculos.  Admittedly, now that promising and upwards heroes are becoming more common, this is not a real problem anymore.

I agree with the hydra that QP refusal would be a good thing to have, since some members don't want any.  This is fair enough and should be respected.

I'd also like a "Topic Curb" placed on members untill they gain "X" amount of QPs.  This would simply be a restraint which stopped them from posting more than "X" amount of threads in a 24 hours period.

I like the QP system, and a little competition is healthy.  but the backbiting, moderator harrassment and thread aping needs to be addressed.  There is little point in a reward system which causes more controversy than delight.
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posted July 20, 2003 05:59 PM

* Stickies
As stated "some" times before i concider stickies vital to a msg board. Also do i feel that this will be a major help to new members, As would a must read through of the FAQ when you register be - rating 5/5

* User Profiles, Ability to list user's 20 last posts.
I dont rate this at all and im yet to understand its purpose. Ive seen at it other forums but then its biggest use to too see if anyone has replied to your last posts. - rating 1/5

* User Profiles, Ability to expand user topics to list all user's topics.
Would be nice to have as an option if you wanna check up on some old things or take a walk down nostalgia lane
nah seriously, i like it as it is now to see the 10 last threads but it would indeed be nice to be able to have an option to expand that last to last 20, last 50 and all threads from that poster... because i know from own experience when i wanna check something up just to see that the member i know has started the thread have made 10 more since then and i have to look it up by go through all tavern history pages...
- rating 3,5/5

* User Profiles, Ability to expand QP topic list to list all user's +QPs.
makes sense, ive never understood the purpose of just showing 10 anyway. Not that it matter to that many posters but it makes more sense to be able to see all QP:s. Id like to see this as a set thing and not as an option. - rating 2,5/5

* User settings, User selectable Skins to use in threads. (Colours and/or Fonts).
As i like readable pages i see no problem whatsoever with keeping things are there are now. However i can understand if some members wanna personalize their HC. It is as Cat says important for a forum to look good. But IMO it does with this kinda classic look and i have no problems reading posts, doesnt matter if their long because if your interested you read em anyway IMO. - rating 2/5

* Bugs
- Fix 'Last Page' bug on the Memberlist page.
- Fix "Delete post will delete thread since this is first post in topic" warning so it appears when it should and doesn't appear when it shouldn't.
- Fix forum page count bug  in Last 5 replies threads (wrong on 20*x posts), Today's posts (wrong on 20*x posts), and on Forum pages  (wrong for exactly 20 posts)
Sounds good, bugs are there to be fixed right? - rating 3/5
* Mod Tools, Remove Selected Posts Option).
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* Avatars, Place Avatars on a dedicated ftp area so Mods can assist in managing them. OR
* Avatars, Avatar links (Off the forum, though this would require Mod Tool to reset Avatar.)
* Avatars, Make it easier to display and select Avatars. Categories: Male/Female, Heroes 3 Heroes/Creatures/Others, Custom Avatars.
Again this estetically thingy doesnt bother me much since i prefer no avatars as you might have noticed. Why i dont like em is that i prefer being judged on the content in my posts. Because wether you think at it or not you will get judged on the avatar you pick, same thing with RL pic which is the reason that i wont show off my good looks here. But since 99% of the members of this board prefer having an avatar... i suppose this is a good idea as long as there is a set size for the custom avatar that you upload. And as djive says this would require a reset avatar tool. But, if you are to upload custom avatars of your own make this a QP bound thing so you cant spam your way to a custom avatar in 2 hours. Not many QP:s required, say you need 1/2 bonuses for it and it will make the new members think more about the quality of their posts instead of the quantity
Also having different categories would be an improvement as things looks alot like a mess right now.
- rating 2,5/5 (as long as its handled correctly)

* Red stars. Three red stars removes flood-protect when editing.
Good idea for a "QP goal", but IMO its still unfair because as i see it this is a bug. It sucks to have to wait 90secs for a spelling mistake or something that makes your post look braindead and you see it after 2 secs when looking at the new post you made. I would like this to be removed for all members. As i see no point whatsoever in having it. - rating 4/5 if removed for all, otherwise 3/5

* New Thread Ratings. Map Making, Town Strategy, Battle Tatics, Heroes, Trivia, Creatures (Feel free to suggest more.)
IMO mostly pointless since usually the topic name says it all. If a thread is called "Dungeon strategies" at library i doubt many members believe its about map making. I understand that these ratings are more for the gaming parts of the board but still...
If you for example are to rate a really good thread about lets say heroes3 Dungeon tactics... do you then rate is as "town strategy" like other town strategy threads or do you rate it is as "important"/"inspiring"?

IMO this will just create misunderstandings, id rather say that you need to learn how to adapt the current ratings to the strategy parts and thereby make it easier to understand. And if that requires some extra ratings, then so be it... but as suggested here its just like making a problem of a problem that doesnt exist IMO.
- rating 0/5

* Non-active member pruning - system that would give mods a list of potential members for deletionm based on appropriate criteria, and enable for the deletion.
Great idea, we should have a more active member list and this is a great way of fixing the problem IMO.

As for Cats suggestion of deleting your own username i see no use in that individual option since its just to IM a mod about it?

But the orginal idea sure is good.
- rating 4,5/5

* Memberlist remake - browse by posts, by QP, etc, etc, just a good all around remake of memberlist which has been asked for.
sounds good, nothing to add really - rating 3/5

Added from ThE_HyDrA's reply.
* User profile, Stat: QPs vs. Forums.
Could be a nice option but see no real use for it since you see both number of posts and number of QP:s at each persons user profile and if interested im sure most of us has learned how to count with percent by now. - rating 1/5
* User profile, Stat: Posts vs. Forums.
This on the other hand would be a good info to see, its an interesting thing to see where the members in question has posted the most and so on. - rating 3,5/5
* User setings/Avatar, upload your own Avatar on HC.
* Adding H4 avatars.
Alrdy commented this earlier about avatars
* Statistics, Monthly posting charts.
Sounds good, i know a place like this has been upto discussion before. And i thought it was a good idea then and i still think so. rating - 3,5/5


other comments:
I believe that the possibility of checking which mod that handed out a particular QP is a waste of space since i believe the mod in question that gives/takes a QP should edit it in at bottom of post. (As ive seen many mods do lately which is a good).

Other QP motivators could be
*being able to moderate your own threads (could be a 4 red stars+ thingy since it will be a good practise for a possible future mod aswell.) Also i believe that mods should be able to hand out this at special occations.

*Being able to help members out with avatars if thats the way this gets choosen. (Also this would be a learning process for possible modship)

*Upload custom avatars on your own (if thats the way this gets done)

* 6 red stars (or even 5 IMO) members like Hydra says should be granted to look in mod squad.

this is all for now, might edit in more later.

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posted July 20, 2003 06:35 PM
Edited By: Djive on 20 Jul 2003

A few comments.

* User Profiles, Ability to list user's 20 last posts.
I dont rate this at all and im yet to understand its purpose. Ive seen at it other forums but then its biggest use to too see if anyone has replied to your last posts. - rating 1/5

=> It has several uses. Believe me. It's especially useful for Mods, but members will use it to look where members they like posting have posted. Especially useful if you've been gone a few days.

* New Thread Ratings. Map Making, Town Strategy, Battle Tatics, Heroes, Trivia, Creatures (Feel free to suggest more.)
IMO mostly pointless since usually the topic name says it all. If a thread is called "Dungeon strategies" at library i doubt many members believe its about map making. I understand that these ratings are more for the gaming parts of the board but still...
If you for example are to rate a really good thread about lets say heroes3 Dungeon tactics... do you then rate is as "town strategy" like other town strategy threads or do you rate it is as "important"/"inspiring"?


=> You can list only topics which have a certain rating in a forum. Currently, this script needs an overhaul though to be a competitive alternative to viewing a forum page by page. And there is a lot of topics which do not have an appropriate topic line. Hmmm.... I might want the ability to change the topic name. This is currently not possible. It would combat the issue of bad topic names.

As for Cats suggestion of deleting your own username i see no use in that individual option since its just to IM a mod about it?

=> No. Can't delete usernames. Not even the admin can take away users if they have posts remaining on the forum. And I DON'T see the user with 0 or 1 post sendning an IM to a Mod to remove the username.

Other QP motivators could be
*being able to moderate your own threads (could be a 4 red stars+ thingy since it will be a good practise for a possible future mod aswell.) Also i believe that mods should be able to hand out this at special occations.

=> This I have a hunch is really difficult to implement and thus a very costly feature. Besides, as a member, I would intensely dislike the fact that another member could edit my post because (s)he started the thread. Much better to have Mods doing this. Members will have to trust Mods anyway.

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posted July 21, 2003 04:25 AM
Edited By: RedSoxFan3 on 20 Jul 2003

Stickies: 8/10

I'd greatly like to see this implemented with a thread index for the forums. If someone can keep the current threads up to date this would be very helpful.

User Profile:
Last 20 posts - 5/10

I think this would be a good way for people to get to know other members, since a lot of members don't make many threads. But will this include the page the post was made like on the home page.

All topics - 8/10

I've wanted this for a long time.

All QP's. Doesn't apply much now, but for some people it would be nice to see the rest of their QP's. I also like the idea of seeing -QP's also. And another thing, you can't see any QP's the mods have received before they were mods. This I don't like since Djive has like 18 QP's. This would be good to see them, especially for newbs.

User Settings:

Skins, fonts, etc. - 0/10

Never appealed to me much. I find that skins are distracting to me and often make it harder to read posts. I like the current theme we have now.

Bugs:

5/10 - I think all bugs should be taken care of.

Mod Tools:

Haven't been a mod so I can't say much on this, but it sounds like the mods are dying for it.

5/10

Red Stars:

Removes flood protection from editing: 10/10

omg I'd kill to get this.

Non-active Member Pruning:

4/10

I think this would be good for finding member more easily, but I think a better solution would be to search for members by name like when searching for members with Toh. That would be most helpful.

Memberlist remake:

6/10

This would go along very nicely with searching for members and member pruning.

New Thread Ratings:

5/10

This is a great way to solve the problems finding threads. I feel that the better the ratings we have on forums the better we can find the threads that we enjoy.
User profile stats:

0/10

I think this is more trivial and would not make HC easier to use.

Avatars:

0/10

I am happy with our current system of avatars.

Statistics, Monthly Posting Charts:

0/10

again trivial and would not make HC easier to use.

My thoughts on Redstars.

I like the idea of a good bonus for people with 3 red stars. I do think that people with 5 stars should get to look in the ModSquad. I don't see anyone realistically getting enough QP's to get 6 red stars. I think 5 would be better. How many people have 5 red stars? Three? And the only person I see getting 5 anytime soon would be Cat. So I think 6 would be unrealistic.

I think that people with less than 2 stars should lose some privilages other than flood-protection being increased.

They should lose stuff like no signature or their avatar. I'm not sure what it would be... yet. Something that would really discourage bad posters like maybe no editing posts. Something like that.
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posted July 21, 2003 05:37 AM
Edited By: Djive on 22 Jul 2003

"All QP's. Doesn't apply much now, but for some people it would be nice to see the rest of their QP's. I also like the idea of seeing -QP's also."

1. This is negativ feedback and against my philosopy so not chipping in for it.
2. Most posts with penalties should either be blanked or removed.

"And another thing, you can't see any QP's the mods have received before they were mods. This I don't like since Djive has like 18 QP's. This would be good to see them, especially for newbs."

Val would need to change the work description for Mods for this. I can see both ways here. This is likely a very cheap change so if there's enough interest it could be done.


ThE_HyDrA is close to six stars. No, I don't know the limit myself.

cat and bort are both just as close to 5 lacking 3 qps each.

who has five? shae_trielle, the_hydra, oldtimer. I had it before becoming a Mod.

"I think that people with less than 2 stars should lose some privilages other than flood-protection being increased."

They do. They can't edit their profile any more if they lose the second star.


Added.

Summing up the views these appears to be overall more popular than the rest.

Stickies (=$10)
3 Red stars, no floodprotect when editing. (=$2)
Memberlist remake (=$10)
Nonactive member pruning. (=$15)
Bugs (=$0)


The rest are about as popular, so there have selected:
User profiles, all three

I believe this will cover the donation I make, but if any money reamins this will go for improving Avatar selection.

The above list is not final. You can still comment on it... And I may change my mind. Also feel to chip in for a bit more money if you want more done.

Btw. donation has been made and Val has begun on the script changes.

Work on the memberlist have commenced.

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posted July 23, 2003 02:31 AM

I am truly amazed how ppl can make such long posts.

I was patient enough to read only %75 of hydras post.

Is it only me who has difficulties in reading long posts?

PS: sry for going off-topic

Tho I have a little on-topic and extremely selfish comment


from Hydra's post: (since it is the only one read )

Quote:

+> Members should be able to request if they would not like a Quality Point. For example, if someone needs 1 QP to get to promising, but they don't want it, they should be given the freedom of choice. 4/10


In addition to that, IMO, members should be given the freedom to get -qp's for "bad mannered" status.

What's so selfish about this?
I had to toss a respected and highly valuable HC member in order to get 3 penalties. But now the flood protect is a pain in my ass and I DO miss my sigature.

Whats so special about being "bad mannered". Well, thats just me who is sick with %50 of the "promising" and %90 of the "regular" dudes around. I just want to be differentiated(?) from them. I DO know +qp's show that you are different and better than from the others. But +qp's are just not what I want/deserve (or whatever you call it). In addition to that I sometimes truly am a pain in the ass. But, it does not change the fact that I do not deserve a longer flood protect than soccerfeva does.

(now, this prolly is the longest post I ever typed )
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posted July 23, 2003 05:01 AM

Thank you Djive for the donation and to everyone for contribution. Your suggestions are welcome.

So far,
The memberlist has been rebuilt, experience it for yourself. The little spelling error pointed out by The_Hydra has been fixed.
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posted July 23, 2003 02:31 PM
Edited By: DoddTheSlayer on 23 Jul 2003

I Have a suggestion. Maybe nothing, but i have seen in my short time here how frustrated a lot of regulars get with the way newbies post when they first register.
So i was thinking that some of the forums could have a thread that is always kept at the top with the title.
"New members please read before posting" And in the post they could be told to go to the FAQ before asking qustions and just given a general idea of what will get them off to a good start.
I know the FAQ covers a lot of stuff, but looking at a lot of newbie posts i am wandering how many of them actually know what the letters mean, and its clearly not the first thing a lot of them would think of looking at.

Any thoughts anyone?
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posted July 23, 2003 05:51 PM

We will get stickies soon. Donation made will cover that.

When we have stickies it's up to concerned Moderators or members to make a "Newcomers Plase Read" thread worth the name in that forum. Altar and Tribunal already have the thread and these will simply be made sticky.
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posted July 24, 2003 04:25 AM

When will we get the member pruning?
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