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posted July 24, 2003 03:04 PM

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The QP Problem

Another problem created is that of resentment and "thread aping".  Thread aping is copying a QP post almost to the letter in the hope to gain one themselves.  This is a supremely unconstructive idea.  Not to mention pointless.  And the amount of stigma attatched to QP members is ridiculos.  Admittedly, now that promising and upwards heroes are becoming more common, this is not a real problem anymore.



I have to say that thread apeing and QP member stalking sometimes gets to be a bit too extreme to take.
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posted July 26, 2003 05:08 PM bonus applied.
Edited By: soccerfeva on 1 Aug 2003

I recommend something called the 'edit'protect.

Here's how it goes..

After posting a reply..
70 seconds floodprotect
But when you edit a post,it is reduced to 50 seconds..
After that,when you want to post a reply it goes back to 70 seconds.
Then when you edit it,it is reduced to 50 seconds.
Then when you re-edit again,it is still 50.
When you post again,it goes back to 70.

How do you like this idea?

And a suggestion..I've -1 qp but why is it that my floodprotect is 100+ seconds?

I think we should lower it to 90 seconds at most,100+ seconds is too much..

And there's a problem with the memberlist,when you click on the last page,you can't go back to first page..
And the 1969 im bug still occurs when you click the back button
And bonuses links should appear always, because a member with 1 +qp and 1 -qp will have no link to the bonus."And when you click on the post option in the member's profile,nothing shows up..
I hope they can fix these problems quickly...
and there's a problem with the search thing too..when you post a reply,click search and you'll see what I mean..

FAQ mistakes..

what is modsquad headquarters forum?the headquarters should be headquarters'
what is instand messaging? the instand messaging,u know,should be instand messaging.
singature should be signature.
Floodprotect should have a space between.
in how do i register,the usename should be username
In code of conduct,messages which should be messages,which
and I don't know what's warez,ware perhapes?
In philosophy of anger,what is angy person wants attention?It should be angry.
Unpeaceful should be unmerciful.
wold should be world.
In can I become a mod,priveleges should be privileges
In what is modsquad headquarters forum,the HQ should be headquarters' forum,and the curent issues should be current issues.Orderkeeping should be spaced.In who is the admin,accomodate should be accommodate.In what is instand messaging,again,there are two instances of the same mistake being repeated again.instand and another case of instand.recieve should be receive.Further down,there are more of such 'recieve'.
In what's with this floodprotect,disussions should be discussions.
But I'm not too sure about floodprotect being flood protect..which is correct?
Just pointing out the mistakes in the faq..phew..tought work...


Anyway,I think if you go to the avatar list,it's very long,so I think there should be a search system for it.

I would appreciate it if we could show the member's last log in date-and time.That way,we can know when was the last time the member logged in.


Also,I'm recommending a rating system for all members. 1 to 5.
1 is poor while 5 is the best rating.
As to whether it will be misused I've no idea..but I'm sure HC has a way to counter such things,right?


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posted July 26, 2003 05:26 PM
Edited By: Djive on 27 Jul 2003

For flood-protect details check out this thread. Valeriy annoucnement thread

Edit-protect is removed if you have three red stars. (See this topic, once it gets implemented.)

Some members have suggested free edit-protect.


On the memberlist, yes....

Sounds like a good idea with a first page link also.

Right now it does work to click the table header columns and it will list the first page again. Also works with hitting back button in browser, but neither method is all that intuituive.

The IM-problem might be very difficult to fix since it's likely a browser related problem and not server realted.

Post links: Doesn't work yet! That's why you have that "DIZZY" warning.

Search feature has been disabled... Hmmm...
Reminds me that the texts that remains are to be considered bugs... Hopefully, Valeriy can remove the Search feature links that doesn't work when he does the updates.
The above error is in the "redirect" screen. Does it still remain in other places?

Looks like there are some typos in the FAQ.
Not sure about all of the mentioned things being erronous but several of them are. I've seem the "receive" typo elsewhere also.

Just recalled where I had seen the recieve typo. It's on the IM-window.

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Valeriy
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posted July 29, 2003 10:46 AM

Thanks soccerfeva for suggestions and spelling corrections.
First page feature added to memberlist.
Could a member with promising status (QP 3, 4, 5, 6 or 7) check if you can edit without floodprotect now?
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posted August 04, 2003 04:18 PM

and i suggest that members can have a weapon to accompany the avatar.

We can use artifacts from H3 and H4.

For example Buckler of the Gnoll King.

Say the Buckler of the Gnoll King costs 3 qp.Then a only a member with 3 qp can get it.
Then a member with 0 qp and below can only have one artifact.

If a member gets the Buckler of the Gnoll King for 3 qps,and he has no more qp remaining,that is all he can get.

I suggest limited stocks and trading.For example,if the hydra is the only person who has armaggedon's blade for 18 qps,then Woock might want to offer 20 qps for it.(If he gets there,that is..)
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Valeriy
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Naughty, Naughty Valeriy
posted August 05, 2003 09:28 AM

Could you check the floodprotect for editing for members with promising status again? Tweaked it a bit.

User profile modification is now done. The last posts option has been added. It's not the smoothest feature with "this thread" rather than a thread title, but for some reason it wouldn't run a db query inside the while of another db query. If someone is good at PHP3 here, do tell

So have a go at the profiles and tell me if you find any bugs or anything else that would be good to add.
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posted August 05, 2003 12:14 PM
Edited By: Celfious on 5 Aug 2003

Could there be another row beneath the last post with links

In each thread. This one for example
"Index > Turban Tribunal > Thread: Renovatioin of HC?? "

its the green row =/

Only reason I ask is cuz its probably simple.
i dont have the same resource i did be4

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posted August 05, 2003 04:10 PM
Edited By: soccerfeva on 5 Aug 2003

Anyway,I think if you go to the avatar list,it's very long,so I think there should be a search system for it.

I would appreciate it if we could show the member's last log in date-and time.That way,we can know when was the last time the member logged in.


Also,I'm recommending a rating system for all members. 1 to 5.
1 is poor while 5 is the best rating.
As to whether it will be misused I've no idea..but I'm sure HC has a way to counter such things,right?



Also,I think it's a good idea to have a check spelling option before we post our long replies.I've seen one forum use it.

And some pages get dragged across,which I think something must be done.You see those dragged pages and you'll see empty white spaces next to the HC member sites..

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posted August 05, 2003 08:30 PM

On the user profiles....

Could you add say the 50 first characters of the post or something like that? (Instead of Untitled Post)

Also another thing which would be useful is an indication if the post is a "Thread" or a reply in a Thread.

A last log-in time or last post time would also be nice. Assuming you have this information in an appropriate place in the database. (My guess is that you would have last post time accessible, because of the flood-protect feature.)

A quick search of the web turned up a few other people having the same problems asyou with nested queries.

Nested queries appears to be possible on some system, but is not possible with all databases.

You can look at the two below questions, perhaps you have the same problem, or is helped by some of the suggestions.

Loop within loops

Loop within Loop query


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posted August 05, 2003 08:34 PM
Edited By: RedSoxFan3 on 5 Aug 2003

TEST

Edit: Still doesn't work.

But I'm going to try something...

Edit: I can edit this post right after I make a different post.

I don't know the codes or anything, but I think you need to change the codes for clicking on the edit post for everyone, because it still pops up the floodprotection screen when you click on edit post. So by having separate scripts for the editing and separate for the posting, you can have limits for editing and limits for posting. I guess these have to be written out separately.

I'm not sure what you did but the problem is not in submitting the edit but when clicking on the edit post link. It still pops-up as flood protect.
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posted August 05, 2003 08:37 PM
Edited By: RedSoxFan3 on 5 Aug 2003

Test #2

Edit: I need to make a suggestion to the flood-protection for posting.

I've noticed that people can still flood the forum with posts. For example if you space out your posts by 2 or 3 minutes. You can make 15 posts in 15 different threads in 40 minutes approxamately. This floods the forum and you see 15 threads in a row last posted by the same person and it's mostly one liners or spam just for the sake of increasing post count.

I would like to see a change in the scripting to not one post every 90 seconds but, 4 posts every 15 minutes. I highly doubt that 4 well-thought posts should take much less than 15 minutes. This would restrict people to 16 posts an hour instead of 40 posts an hour.

There are times when I want to make posts in threads that will take 15 seconds, but then there are others that take 15 minutes like Temple of Worship. This allows the responsible poster to make a couple quick posts, along with the lengthy well-thought at the same time without having sit around for the flood protection. The reason I propose this type of flood-protection is because I don't think that 90 seconds is enough time, but I don't think it would be fair to others to make everyone wait 4 minutes between posts. Especially when most people only make 3 or 4 posts a visit. This does not flood the forum if someone makes 3 or 4 quick posts.
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posted August 05, 2003 09:46 PM

how bout adding a last ten penaltys in the members info... it should show members what not to do(sorry if this was suggested)

also do we realy need first ten threads??? Reduce tham to 3...
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posted August 05, 2003 10:44 PM

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how bout adding a last ten penaltys in the members info... it should show members what not to do(sorry if this was suggested)

also do we realy need first ten threads??? Reduce tham to 3...


We don't want members to have easy access to penalites.

And about then last posts... How about checking out the new look of the member profile?
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posted August 05, 2003 11:46 PM

Yes!

I've resolved what the error is with last posts query inside query. Both queries has the same name! Now it's smooth as custard.

Thanks guys for more ideas. Here's what's implemented.

Member Profile Stats now show last post time, adjusted to your timezone setting.
10 Last posts are now displayed along with thread name, link to last page (!), forum name and 100 characters out of the post. How's that?!?!?!
3 Star edit floodprotect. I tweaked it once more. Could someone try again?

Other ideas:
- avatar list search system. The only possible way to do this would be to search by filename. Would that be useful at all?
- last login time - too much work involved, now we have last post time accessible and it should do the trick.
- 1 to 5 rating system - please give more thought to your ideas and how exactly they would work.
- check spelling - not sure how to do that one yet, but after I finish with all the promised features, it could be one of our next ones.
- pages get dragged across? Please explain.
- thread or reply in a thread. That will be easy to detect by matching titles now.
- 4 posts in 15 mins floodprotect would be very difficult to implement and I am sure it will outrage a whole bunch of people if you ask them. Why not use those extra 30 seconds to add something nice to your posts?
- last penalties - most penalty posts get deleted, so this feature would not work well. Those that are not deleted are often edited out, so this feature would be pointless. I also don't want to give people an extra chance to pride themselves on penalties, some do that.
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posted August 09, 2003 02:41 PM

How they would work?

The rating system,after much complex thinking by soccerfeva,becomes like this.

Only members with a certain no. of qps can rate a thread on a scale of 1 to 5.

1 is distastefully done and 5 is a very well done thread.

Members can only rate a maximum no. of threads per day,preferably max. 5 per day.

There might be consideration to make the last 8 ratings avaliable on the homepage,together with last 5 replies and top 10 discussions.

The idea/purpose of this is to discourage members from posting poor/unneccessary threads and to encourage members to post good/discussion threads.

For example,if 75% of the thread's ratings is 2 or below,then the thread can be considered for deletation.

If 65% of the thread's ratings is 3 or above,then perhapes the thread can be considered for a quality point.

Please note that these numbers are not fixed and are free to change with appropriate reasons.

Any comments/feedback/suggestions are welcomed.



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posted August 15, 2003 02:32 PM

I had to bring this up b4 I go play HoMM !!!

val,you're nowwhere to be seen.
Stop hiding.

No one can see you on HC's Homepage.

How will we Im you or email you easily?

please put your name on HC's Homepage.

A nice place would be the empty slot beside ModSquad HQ.
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posted August 16, 2003 01:13 AM

Progress so far on script changes

Silx and Celfious: You don't have three red stars, and so you would not be freed of the flood-protection when editing.

Adding up what has been done:

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HC Script Change Suggestions

* Stickies

- Implemented, but bugged. The sticky currently appears on the top of the page where thread would normally be listed and not on top of page 1.

* User Profiles, Ability to list user's 20 last posts.
* User Profiles, Ability to expand user topics to list all user's topics.
* User Profiles, Ability to expand QP topic list to list all user's +QPs.

- Implemented. You can now list all user's posts, all user's topics and all user's QPs from the user profile.
- One bug that remains is that you can't list +QPs for members that have a 0 or less QP total, becuase the QP link does not appear. (Well, the inventive member can get around this but I think the link should always be there, except for Mods where they are never listed.)

* User settings, User selectable Skins to use in threads. (Colours and/or Fonts).
- Val mentioned that some limited support for tailoring the individual forums already exists in the scripts. We could for instance change colours and a few other settings. Mind you, these setting would be global for all users, and the setting is per forum.

- Is there an interest to change or experiment with this, and which change do you in that case want? Perhaps colouring the Tavern pink?

* Bugs
Fix 'Last Page' bug on the Memberlist page.
Fix "Delete post will delete thread since this is first post in topic" warning so it appears when it should and doesn't appear when it shouldn't.
Fix forum page count bug  in Last 5 replies threads (wrong on 20*x posts), Today's posts (wrong on 20*x posts), and on Forum pages  (wrong for exactly 20 posts)
Misspelling on the IM window.

- These bugs are not fixed yet.


* Avatars, various.

- Valeriy has said something would happen here, but only after the other script changes were made. Avatars were not covered by the donation, but something may happen here anyway.

* Red stars. Three red stars removes flood-protect when editing.

- Implemented, but bugged from what I see on this page.


* New Thread Ratings. Map Making, Town Strategy, Battle Tatics, Heroes, Trivia, Creatures (Feel free to suggest more.)

- This was not included in donation. But!!!
Do notice that sorting a Forum based on Thread ratings now actually work as it should. Try it out. Thread ratings actually became a lot more useful!!!

* Non-active member pruning.

- Implemented and has been used. (Some 600 members have been deleted.) Together with the new member profile utility it works very niely.

* Memberlist remake - browse by posts, by QP, etc, etc, just a good all around remake of memberlist which has been asked for.

- Implemented. Working as it should as far as I know.


Members. Please use the new tools and report any errors or problems to this topic.

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posted August 21, 2003 06:23 PM
Edited By: RedSoxFan3 on 24 Aug 2003

test

the bug is still there.

I have a theory of what is going wrong.

- Under the current system of scripting, people get a flood-protection timer when they submit a post.

- Editing posts has never given a flood-protection timer.

- 4-star members are exempt from this timer.

- Members with less than 4 stars cannot edit posts with this timer due to the fact that editing posts is treated the same a submitting a post.

- With the script changes for 3 star members. They are allowed to edit as many posts as they want after submitting a post.

- The problem lies in the fact that when a 3 star member goes to click edit post he still has the timer, so it shows up as not being able to edit a post.

- If you make it so that this screen only appears when you click to submit the post instead of clicking to open the submit post screen, then there will be no more bugs with removing edit-floodprotection from 3 star members as the problem lies in opening the edit post window not in the actual submission of the edited post.
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posted August 26, 2003 05:26 PM

An actual way of making the rating system work would be to allow only mods to rate. (For the rating system I suggested..)
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posted August 26, 2003 06:37 PM
Edited By: Djive on 11 Nov 2003

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An actual way of making the rating system work would be to allow only mods to rate. (For the rating system I suggested..)


Too much work, and too many members to rate.

The QP system in many ways work as tool for moderators to rate members. Top.

And Moderators are not deaf to wishes for assigning +QPs to posts, or to voiced opinions on how members appreciate the work of other members.
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