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posted June 15, 2025 10:52 AM |
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Edited by artu at 10:53, 15 Jun 2025.
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Blizzard said:
Geny said:
Iran is held together by a religious ideaologue that the people venerate.
Not really. Iran is not a country of peasants like Afghanistan etc., most are quite critical and fed up if you listen to them. (A lot of people I know visited.)
Of course, in countries with populations of millions, you will find all kinds of opinions, so it usually comes down to what your mainstream media prefers to underline or even cherry-pick.
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posted June 15, 2025 11:16 AM |
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I've seen several videos and interviews, at this point, of Iranian people supporting the Israeli attacks on the current regime. They hope that if enough high ranking officials are killed or flee the country, then the opposition can rise and make a change.
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posted June 15, 2025 03:16 PM |
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It is irrelevant. Even if a majority of Iranians would prefer a regime change, even if a majority of Iranians are also for an agreement with the West on nuclear capabilities, even if a majority are also for a normalization of relations with the US, an overwhelming 70% majority are against any normalization of Israel-Iran relations.
And this is the core of the problem.
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posted June 15, 2025 05:21 PM |
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It is still relevant. If there is a regime change and the regime is anti-Israeli, but does not longer support armed proxies and instead focuses on their own state, it will be a big win for Israel.
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posted June 15, 2025 05:21 PM |
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Edited by Blizzard at 17:45, 15 Jun 2025.
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A Jewish state in Jerusalem is a hard pill to swallow for Iran.
But if Israel can somehow get Iran to let go of its nuclear goals, that would be huge. The fear since the 1980s is that if Iran can produce weapons grade uranium, that could be passed on to one of its proxies in Iraq or Lebanon or wherever.
It's not like Israel won't tolerate any potential nuclear power in the region. Saudi Arabia expects nuclear energy by 2040 (less than 15 years away) and Israel doesn't care, because there isn't the same insane rhetoric coming out of them as there is from the crazy people in Tehran. Tehran is even saying they will attack regional allies for intercepting missiles going to Israel, which is amazingly stupid. They are not militarily in any position to do something like that. It is just fanaticism. Imagine if Kyiv started making open violent threats to China for supplying Russia.
If Israel can wipe out the leadership, more moderate people can come to the table.
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posted June 15, 2025 08:41 PM |
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I read Finnish news
*Finland doesn't accept preventive..
*Israeli pension, colonel told to Finnish news that Israel has planned to strike Iran in 15 years.. So he believed that event will be shorty..
*Iranians in Finland, they are happy Israel struck Iran, thus Iran is "Putler", they can't accept be loser.. And they hope some Iranians rise in Iran.. And it can overthrow Iranian government..
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posted June 17, 2025 07:01 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 19:02, 17 Jun 2025.
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posted June 17, 2025 07:03 PM |
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Ayatollah is the dumbest and most dated leader in the history of the human race. They should just replace him with a hamster and it would make better decisions for the country.
He's going to end up getting himself executed or assassinated. The Iranian response to Israel has been to just arbitrarily fire missiles into central Tel Aviv, and they somehow expect to be treated seriously instead of like tempermental children. That country is a totally sad and pathetic shell of its former days. It needs a regime that is mentally and emotionally capable of behaving like adults, because the way they have been treated so far (under the circumstances) is nothing other than highly generous.
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posted June 17, 2025 07:28 PM |
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Stevie said:
Is Trump about to announce that the US will join Israel in the war against Iran?
It would be 100 percent justified to replace the current "leadership" in Iran and demand nothing other than unconditional surrender. That regime is a joke.
The hang up right now is that Iran built is main uranium facilities underneath a massive load of reinforced concrete. The US military has the bunker busters required to destroy it, but Israel doesn't have those type of weapons.
The preferred option would be for Iran to allow those facilities to be dismantled voluntarily. The next best option would be to just give Israel the necessary weapons to do the deed. Direct involvement is 3rd, because Trump does not have public support for that, and he is working hard to maintain relatively decent popularity.
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posted June 17, 2025 07:29 PM |
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Stevie said:
Is Trump about to announce that the US will join Israel in the war against Iran?
Beginning to sound like it.
Especially since he's already preparing the ground with tweets about how Iran was no match for American "stuff".
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posted June 17, 2025 07:41 PM |
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Geny said:
American "stuff".
Bunker busters that can penetrate a huge volume of concrete. There's like 4 countries that actually carry those type of weapons because they cost a lot of money to build and deploy.
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posted June 17, 2025 07:49 PM |
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Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, now Iran and so on. Every time same blah blah, we bring freedom, regime needs to change and all will be good. Yet without exception, it finally ended worse, with those regions being now a shadow of what they were and without any better future in sight. Democracy is an philosophical and cultural achievement, a time-line to carefully prepare, a long term societal goal and not a personal suit made by a tailor who has never seen you. It will not fit, again.
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posted June 17, 2025 07:55 PM |
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Edited by Blizzard at 20:31, 17 Jun 2025.
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Salamandre said:
Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, now Iran and so on. Every time same blah blah, we bring freedom, regime needs to change and all will be good. Yet without exception, it finally ended worse, with those regions being now a shadow of what they were and without any better future in sight. Democracy is an philosophical and cultural achievement, a time-line to carefully prepare, a long term societal goal and not a personal suit made by a tailor who has never seen you. It will not fit, again.
Correct, but that isn't the goal.
There needs to be a leadership in place that is not openly hostile to Israel and that behaves like adults instead of like angry children. That's all. Almost every other country in the Gulf has done that and they have greatly benefited and are desirable places to live for many people. It is not an unreasonable thing to ask but there are massive egos in Tehran standing in the way. Israel is not going anywhere. Iran needs to shut the **** up and learn to live with that new reality.
Iran can be Iran and do things however it wants to do them. It cannot go on a vendetta and make death threats to Israel.
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posted June 17, 2025 08:36 PM |
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Blizzard said:
It cannot go on a vendetta and make death threats to Israel.
..when the president's in-laws are Jewish
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posted June 17, 2025 10:24 PM |
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Edited by Blizzard at 04:20, 18 Jun 2025.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/c70r3n5g8k9o
Fordo nuclear site. This is where the fanatical homicidal idiots decided to build their uranium facilities so that it can't be bombed with missile strikes.
1. It isn't allowed to continue to exist.
Iran can take its national sovereignty and shove it up its ass. You cannot make death threats for decades and fund terrorist operations that deliberately target civilians, shoot people at concerts, turn women/boys into sex slaves, etc., and then at the same time sulk and cry when your territory is being violated. Pick one or the other. If you dish it out, then be prepared to take it. If you don't want to take it, then don’t dish it out. The regime (again, governed by angry children) knew what they were signing up for. Iranians themselves are in danger of being in the crossfire, so that needs to be avoided and there won’t be any major war. If the regime doesn’t settle, they can/should be brought to their knees and forced to do so, and that will probably mean a lot more of their political and military leadership getting incinerated in airstrikes until somebody comes to the table who is willing to communicate and interact like a grown-up and who is willing to actually have a conversation with Israel regardless of their feelings towards the administration. That's how the world works. You talk to people that you don't like.
I'm not excusing Israel's methods in Gaza and the USA's complacency, but it is absolutely 100% a fact that what is happening in Gaza would not be happening right now if it was not for Iran. Fact. In terms of causality, Iran has always been the chief and primary aggressor ever since it started sponsoring terrorism. If Iran's regime truly cared about colonial history and how the Middle East was partitioned up by Western powers (and let's be clear: it doesn't actually give a damn about that because there is little love lost between Iran and its neighbors) then it would be concerned with a lot more than just Israel. It is specifically against Israel, because Israel has always been a slap in the face of its monstrously large hubris. Apparently an extremely tiny strip of land controlled by a Jewish state is just too much to handle for the Islamic Republic of Iran's highly delicate sensibilities.
Point to demonstrate this: where are the Israeli proxy terrorist/militant groups and where is Israel's denial of Iran's legitimate existence? Nowhere. Israel recognizes Iran and Iran does not recognize Israel. It is Iran and it has always been Iran since the coup.
2. Supreme Idiot Ayotollah needs to step down. Arresting him would be nice, but if that is too much of a culture shock, just stepping down is good enough so that somebody who isn't a professional stupid person can take over and maybe take Iran out of its self-inflicted renegade status. Maybe join the cadence of the Gulf nations and have a bright and prosperous future. Stop being a loser and obsessing over Israel and get a ****ing life.
3. Iran should surrender unconditionally and submit itself to a permanent peacekeeping force that occupies the country and it should enshrine into a new constitution an explicit respect for diversity and for the Jewish race/religion. Since that probably will never happen because the country has resisted like a billion different outsiders and is fiercely independent, then again, it should have somebody in charge who isn't a complete degenerate, hence why Israel is purging the current command in the country.
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posted June 18, 2025 08:35 PM |
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I don't interested in Israel.. But Iran should have a nuclear weapons or Israel has paranoia.. So the US is joined to paranoia club too.. When if in there aren't weapons than Jihad.. And Islam has prophecy tells that non-religion destroys Islam, and Jihad is rising, but no help, thus the last man, Islam loses, what Allah wanted so, and then Allah destroys the world.. Jihad? No only Iran, but also other countries.. Jihad can't become in one state.. Funny story, so you know that weapons must be in Iran or you are paranoia..
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posted June 19, 2025 11:52 PM |
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Edited by Blizzard at 01:13, 20 Jun 2025.
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No dude. Finland would never accept that if they were the ones dealing with it. No country would accept that.
Iran, the regime, has been openly making death threats to Israel for decades (since it became the IRI) and they were up to 60 percent purity with uranium. 90 percent is weapons grade.
No waiting for a nuke. Hell no.
Again: Israel recognizes Iran. Iran does not recognize Israel. Iran is the ass in the relationship. Iran accepts and recognizes all the other Western-partitioned countries except Israel. Pretty much everyone else in the region has moved past this and recognizes Israel. Ayotollah is a degenerate.
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posted June 20, 2025 01:17 AM |
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Finland recognizes Palestine. But with the Israel-Iran conflict, now isn't the time to recognize Palestine, Stubb said.
No worries, yes Israel is also state.. And Palestine also gets it.. Finland isn't alone in the world.. Maybe Iran wanted to Israel recognizes Palestine, because of earlier events that the matter has failed.. Thus Iran can't recognize Israel.. And Israel needed hollow-holed USA.. When goofy, but good lucky that Trump isn't.. or facepalm..
And you think about oh hell.. I also play oh hell.. A legendary multiplayer in the past time also hearts in the top world.. In the first table! Ok I'm sorry that you talked about nuclear weapons.. Yes risky, mad, etc I must ask the question from my Iranian friend, what he's thinking about.. He doesn't support today Iran.. Yes Israel warned the UN that bomb is ready soon.. And today goofy Trump can't be.. Hard to recognize their cards.. I keep my strategies in hidden safe, I give they show tricks.. If I can see and learn strategic styles, and I beat it.. Israel is using a card now.. Because Israel built 15 years ago.. Funny topic!
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posted June 20, 2025 02:16 AM |
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Trump is actually doing something the US has been doing a very long time with China on Taiwan, which is to be intentionally ambiguous. There is no official policy on what the US will do if China attacks Taiwan, BUT the US does recognize Taiwan and it is considered an ally.
For Iran, he might act and he might not.
What Trump is stuck with right now is that neoconservatism to a large extent collapsed in the 2010s. So, the overwhelming majority of Americans want something to be done about Iran, and at the same time the overwhelming majority do not want to get directly involved. So, that is what Trump is stuck with, and he is going to act in a way that preserves his popularity as much as possible. So, he will prefer for Israel to just deal with Iran and then the US can continue to give Israel deeper pockets.
What a lot of people are talking about right now is what to do with the B-2s. Those are what can destroy Fordo.
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posted June 20, 2025 03:12 AM |
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A very good B-2.. Fordo, amen! But no more, thus Finland can join to the war, thus NATO Article 5.. Are you ready?
Taiwan.. I can't say that fine, when we've the Ålands.. But China doesn't give to Taiwan.. I think so.. China feared B-52..
Russia has many hidden and published places.. Not hope Iran did the same.. But if nuclear strike, other Islam can't support Iran..
But we go to!.. Trump?
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