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Heroes Community > Library of Enlightenment > Thread: Heroes 3 Town Rating -TOWER-
Thread: Heroes 3 Town Rating -TOWER- This thread is 17 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 · «PREV / NEXT»
Metonomy
Metonomy

Tavern Dweller
posted November 01, 2006 02:49 AM

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Thanks for that good review, but it is placed in the wrong thread. This is TOWER. Maybe u copy paste your whole post in the NECROPOLIS thread here.
When done, I will delete this post (yours and mine) here.


My bad, misread a previous post of yours.

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bloucester
bloucester


Famous Hero
MSN can go to hell
posted November 05, 2006 08:54 PM

gargoyles are useless, golems cannot be used ofensively, genies have a severe lack of hit points. all the other units are really great.
as a whole, the town is too slow. nagas have only 7, while similar creatures have 9 (champions, dread knights, war unicorns, magic elementals). titans are great but too slow against most of the other level 7 creatures. no problems with the mages. crappy heroes. neela is my choice, or perhaps fafner.

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tenzor
tenzor


Adventuring Hero
posted November 06, 2006 12:38 AM

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gargoyles are useless
...


Why?
I find them useful, especially for their level.

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bloucester
bloucester


Famous Hero
MSN can go to hell
posted November 06, 2006 09:55 AM

the only thing gargoyles are good for, is blocking enemy shooters. have you ever done considerable damage with them?

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HoMMage
HoMMage


Hired Hero
Unundead
posted November 06, 2006 07:27 PM

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the only thing gargoyles are good for, is blocking enemy shooters. have you ever done considerable damage with them?


They don't do good damage, but their attack, defense, speed, HP and weekly growth are all above average, plus they fly. Their real downside is that they cannot be resurrected, and they have no special. They're really useful in early game though.
Besides, it's not like blocking enemy shooters is a bad habit to have, especially not for Tower.

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angelito
angelito


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
posted November 06, 2006 07:30 PM

1-hex flyers can be very usefull, especially in the beginning of the game. You can use them for distraction. Hard to do with golems...
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bloucester
bloucester


Famous Hero
MSN can go to hell
posted November 07, 2006 12:21 PM

gargoyles are affected by morale, but they cannot be resurrected. funny, eh? if i had to choose a bonus of 100 upgraded level two units, gargoyles would be my last choice. seems like i plain don't like'em.

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wog_edn
wog_edn

Promising

The Nothingness
posted November 07, 2006 12:31 PM

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Nagas/Naga Queens.
The only downfall is they cost cost quite alot of gold to buy.
When in combat you should cast 'haste' then chrage them towards the enemy, and you will win for sure, as they are the best lev6 unit in the game.




I could argue on that... Dread Knight with its death blow attack is rated the best creature on HOMMs homepage.

Naga Queen Health: 110 Attack: 16 Shots: none Movement: ground
1600 gold (2) Hex size: 2 Defence: 13 Dmg: 30 Spd: 7 (extra swift)
Special: no enemy retaliation.
Extra speed and extra 50% of that constant damage are worth the extra 500 gold that make naga queen the most expensive in level 6.

Dread Knight Health: 120 Attack: 18 Shots: none Movement: ground
1500 gold (2) Hex Size: 2 Defense: 18 Dmg: 15-30 Spd: 9 (ultra swift)
Special: 20% chance to curse enemy ; 20% chance to do double damage.
I think it's the best lvl6 unit in the game! Double damage ability puts Dread Knights above Naga Queens.

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angelito
angelito


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Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
posted November 07, 2006 12:38 PM

Death blow doesn't double the whole damage, but the basic damage.
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bloucester
bloucester


Famous Hero
MSN can go to hell
posted November 07, 2006 01:47 PM

champions are the best lvl 6 unit!

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wog_edn
wog_edn

Promising

The Nothingness
posted November 07, 2006 03:11 PM

I still believe what stands on their homepage

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vhilhu
vhilhu


Famous Hero
We are NOT schysophren
posted November 07, 2006 04:20 PM

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I still believe what stands on their homepage


uhh where? isnt 3do homepage down for a looong time?
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Two little Gnoll boys sitting in the sun;
One got frizzled up and then there was one.
One little Gnoll boy left all alone;
He went and hung himself and then there were none.

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HoMMage
HoMMage


Hired Hero
Unundead
posted November 07, 2006 04:42 PM

Honestly, I don't believe the game developers have diven into all the possible game tactics as much as a good bunch of people here have. Remember that we are talking about the people who made an AI that makes your towers attack the 200 familiars rather than the 150 Magogs.

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russ
russ


Promising
Supreme Hero
blah, blah, blah
posted November 07, 2006 04:54 PM

Just because you haven't discovered the hidden potential of familiars doesn't mean you can go ahead and bash them

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HoMMage
HoMMage


Hired Hero
Unundead
posted November 07, 2006 05:12 PM

The Familiars were designed to be bashed. They have wings but cannot fly!

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tenzor
tenzor


Adventuring Hero
posted November 07, 2006 11:55 PM

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Death blow doesn't double the whole damage, but the basic damage.


What do you mean by 'basic' damage?

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angelito
angelito


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
posted November 08, 2006 12:42 AM

Damage calculation includes several factors. Be it attack/defense ratio between attacking unit and attacked unit, attack skill of attacking hero, defense skill of defending hero, offense skill, armorer skill, spells...etc.. All these factors included, u get your "dealed" damage (complete damage). Basic damage does not include all of these factors.
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tenzor
tenzor


Adventuring Hero
posted November 08, 2006 09:00 AM

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Damage calculation includes several factors. Be it attack/defense ratio between attacking unit and attacked unit, attack skill of attacking hero, defense skill of defending hero, offense skill, armorer skill, spells...etc.. All these factors included, u get your "dealed" damage (complete damage). Basic damage does not include all of these factors.


Ok, but if the basic damage is doubled, then damage including attack of unit and attack of hero should be doubled too (ad= attack od dread knights, ah = attack of hero, du = total defense of attacked unit):
(2*dam)*((ad+ah-du)*0,05+1) = 2* (dam*((ad+ah-du)*0,05+1))
of course in case that ad+ah>du
Or have I missed something?

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angelito
angelito


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
posted November 08, 2006 10:15 AM

Yes, this is true.
Only thing I wanted to state is, the "modified" damage the dreads finally deal is not just doubled when the death blow happens, only the basic. And the basic damage of the dreads is lower than the basic damage of the queens due to the damage ratio. Dreads will deal 10% more damage coz of higher attack skill (18->16), which means, they deal 22,5 (15-30) +10% = about 25 damage, while the queens deal 30.

Very easy math would look like that:

- Dreadknights: 20% chance for deathblow means 1 out of 5 hits.
4 hits with 25 damage + 1 hit with 50. Summary = 150.

- Queens:
5 hits with 30 damage = 150 damage.

But no retail on queens...
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russ
russ


Promising
Supreme Hero
blah, blah, blah
posted November 08, 2006 05:27 PM

Quote:
Death blow doesn't double the whole damage, but the basic damage.
Does it mean that dread knights' death blow is more effective vrs level 7-s and heroes with high defense since the final damage will be reduced, but the base damage will always be the same?

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