|
| Thread: Indipendance of Kosovo? |  This thread is pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 · NEXT» |
|
Vidoja
Bad-mannered
Known Hero
Checker for Heroes Competiton
|
posted January 01, 2008 09:01 PM |
|
|
Poll Question:
Indipendance of Kosovo?
The question of Kosovo is this periods most problematical question. Kosovo is the southern part of Serbia. It has been in the complex of Serbia since 850. - meaning, since the begining of the Serbian country, when Serbs separated from Slavic tribes. That event is suppose to be 1-2 centuries back than 850, because a coin of a Serbian erlier emperor was found. Anyway, the center of the Serbian country is Kosovo. Serbian emperors builded churches and other religious monuments on Kosovo since the 8. century. They are pretty ruined because Serbia was on everybody's highway, because of it's position:
Now, our problem is the following:
The, partially romanized Illyrians, as the English call them 'Albanians', but as Serbs and themselves call themselves 'Shiptars' inhabit the area of their country which has Serbia on her north, Montenegro on her west, Macedonia (F.Y.R.O.M) on her east and Greece on her south. This is Albania:
Lets start at the beginning:
They were partially romanized Illyrians, living as a part of Bulgaria, Byzantine empire and Serbian empire. When the Turks came into Europe, they gave them the Muslim faith. They treated them better for that. Most of the Serbs didn't accept the Muslim faith over their Ortodox faith, and because of great terror from the Turks ('zulum') many of them fled to the north, to live there and help the Habsburg monarchy to defend Europe against the Turks. Albanians took their empty houses and settled there. But some Serbs did accept the Muslim faith, but they were in Bosnia and Hercegovina. Then, when the Turks left the Balkan penissula, after the Balkan wars, the Turk territory was given back to the Nations. Serbia wanted sea, so Serbia went into her old territory, Albania. But, in London, 1912. Albania was declared indipendant. I wonder why? So, Serbian troops left Albania. But Serbia till then, never had any conflict with them, they lived peacefully on Kosovo (then, they were 50% of the population). World war I came, and Albania skiped it proclaming itself natural. Serbia, on the other hand, fought and lost 370 000 soldiers and 1 100 000 civilians. I would say about 30% of its population ! World war II came, and Albania stood aside Italy, the occupator. They created a country called 'Big Albania'. Albanians formed an army and started the exile of Serbs. Immigrations from Albania to Kosovo became grater, up to 80 000. During the first months of occupation, 10 000 Serbian houses was burned to the ground. In Metohija, the west part of Kosovo, all colonial villiges were burned. Churches from the 8. century to the 14. century were destroyed (just the beggining). The division SS 'Skenderbeg' was the most cruel. Till 1944. on Kosovo 10 000 Serbs was killed and 100 000 exiled. After the war, communists took rule in the former Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenians (SHS), and called it Yugoslavia. Serbia then was separated (again I wonder why?) and two autonomic provinces were made: AP Vojvodina and AP Kosovo and Metohija. This was done by the communist leader Tito (when he began rule, he announced he was a Yugoslav, and on his death bed he announced he was a Croat) and his party. As communists are, and what they beleve in I don't have to explain. Atheisam spread, and everybody who belived in God couldn't get a job, and if he rebels from the ideologies of communisam, he would be sent to Goli Otok (Croatian isle), a modern concentration camp. On Kosovo there was alot of Serbian religious objects. So, the Communist party practicly banned Serb immigration there. When Yugoslavia separated, a war started. The new croat Constitution took the status of the Serbs living there. There were no more a constitutive nation. Before I go on, I must tell you something. There were two resistances during WWII, Communist and Nationalist. Communist is called Partisan and Nationalist Chetniks. Now lets get back. The Yugoslav national army, army of Yugoslavia (shorter YNA) protected Yugoslavia. Then, war came. It was Sebs vs. Croats in Croatia and Serbs vs. Muslims. This war started becaus of the splitting of Yugoslavia. In Croatia, the war was ended in summer of 1995. by the two actions of Croatian millitary: 'Bljesak' meaning Flash, and 'Oluja' meaning storm. Hudreds of thousands of Serbs were exiled from Croatia. The war in Bosnia was ended by the splitting of Bosnia into two entities: Serb one and a Muslim one. On Kosovo on the other hand, Albanians were terrorising Serbs with the action of the Kosovo Liberation Army (albanian army). Serbs even that couldn't control the terror of Albanians, then 90% of Kosovo's population. Serbs were forced to surrender and flee, but they declined that. Than the NATO ('antiterroristical organisation') started the action called 'Merciful Angel' (the irony...), the bombing of Serbia. (then Yugoslavia, which consisted of Serbia and Montenegro but Montenegro wasn't bombed). I remember it well... So NATO wanted the Serbian president Slobodan Milosevic, but it killed the innocent people. Now, Albanians are destroying the religious objects on Kosovo, and want indipendance. Some pictures:
Jeasus' head cut of
Please look at these pictures on the following link:
Link
Destroyed church
Serb's graves, Albanian graffiti
Albanians and the Nazi
Albanian killing a Serb priest
Burnt monastery
And, please, look here for more pictures, some of them are too bloody, I don't wanna post them here:
Link
If, you want more, just tell me.
So, would you accept such indipendance, for a province that Serbs had 12 centuries, on which they died. Serbian population is decreasing drasticly on Kosovo. But Great Britan, France and the USA want Kosovo to be Albanian. 50% of churches is burned to the ground. I ask you again, do you accept Kosovo's indipendance?
|
|
Consis
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Of Ruby
|
posted January 02, 2008 08:35 PM |
|
|
Independence can only be achieved by a unity of its people. This information shows me that the people are not united.
____________
Roses Are Red And So Am I
|
|
Vidoja
Bad-mannered
Known Hero
Checker for Heroes Competiton
|
posted January 02, 2008 11:43 PM |
|
|
What is 5% of Serbs living there to their 95%. They want to announce onesided indipendance. That indipendance is against the Resolution 1244, statute of UN and the Serbian By-law. But, just yesterday Austria said that they support oneside indipendance. So did Great Britan, France and the USA before. With their support, you can acchive anything, but not if Russia stands in their way.
____________
|
|
ZanJerusalem
Disgraceful
Adventuring Hero
|
|
posted January 02, 2008 11:49 PM |
|
|
NO!!! Kosovo is Serbia's soul!
The Moslems are intruders and should be threatened as such!
____________
|
|
Vidoja
Bad-mannered
Known Hero
Checker for Heroes Competiton
|
|
posted January 03, 2008 12:02 AM |
|
|
Quote:
NO!!! Kosovo is Serbia's soul!
The Moslems are intruders and should be threatened as such!
I thank you for your appinion.
____________
|
|
SirDunco
Responsible
Supreme Hero
|
|
posted January 03, 2008 11:20 AM |
|
|
|
I believe that if the people of any region (not just Kosovo) seek independence from the state that they live in, they should be allowed to do so. Not just the case of Kosovo but of any region where the majority of the people living their say "Yes" to independence in a referendum, then it is their right to become independent... That's my view.
|
|
antipaladin
Promising
Legendary Hero
of Ooohs and Aaahs
|
|
posted January 03, 2008 11:47 AM |
|
|
Quote:
NO!!! Kosovo is Serbia's soul!
The Moslems are intruders and should be threatened as such!
NO!!! Your brain are intruding our topic!!!stop horassing our forums with your nonesences.WE have muslims memmbers here.
everyone should have this freedom,and independcy.
____________
types in obscure english
|
|
Vidoja
Bad-mannered
Known Hero
Checker for Heroes Competiton
|
|
posted January 03, 2008 01:21 PM |
|
|
Yes, we do. But this is no noncence[/font]. I wonder how would you feel if you didn't have your country antipaladin.
____________
|
|
Vidoja
Bad-mannered
Known Hero
Checker for Heroes Competiton
|
|
posted January 03, 2008 01:25 PM |
|
|
:
everyone should have this freedom,and independcy.
The freedon to kill and destroy other peoples religious objects? (you misspelled indipendance) You don't even know what is going around here, antipaladin, do you?
____________
|
|
Vidoja
Bad-mannered
Known Hero
Checker for Heroes Competiton
|
|
posted January 03, 2008 01:32 PM |
|
|
Quote:
I believe that if the people of any region (not just Kosovo) seek independence from the state that they live in, they should be allowed to do so. Not just the case of Kosovo but of any region where the majority of the people living their say "Yes" to independence in a referendum, then it is their right to become independent... That's my view.
Yeah, but this isn't a referendum. These people did harm to us, and now with 12 centuries of Serbian history they have to destroy. All Serbs where exiled from there! But they seek their indipendance by force not referendum! They should not be allowed to do that. They are taking that territory! Please read above, Kosovo isn't Europe, there isn't any democrasy while albanian terror spreads.
____________
|
|
mvassilev
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
|
|
posted January 03, 2008 01:55 PM |
|
|
Quote:
(you misspelled indipendance)
Irony.
Quote:
Kosovo isn't Europe, there isn't any democrasy
So Belarus isn't in Europe either now?
____________
Eccentric Opinion
|
|
Vidoja
Bad-mannered
Known Hero
Checker for Heroes Competiton
|
|
posted January 03, 2008 02:04 PM |
|
|
I don't know, but he said they are allowed to vote yes on the referendum. But the only referendum on which they can vote yes is the 'lets clear out Kosovo of Serbs and there religious objects' and that one doesn't have a paper to circle YES.
____________
|
|
VokialBG
Honorable
Legendary Hero
First in line
|
|
posted January 03, 2008 02:12 PM |
|
Edited by VokialBG at 14:31, 03 Jan 2008.
|
Kosovo is now part of Serbia, anyway you have some mistakes in the history part. The teritory of Kosovo was part of Bulgaria in the biggest part ot the middel ages, the first historical churches there are builded by the bulgarian emperors Boris I, Simeon I, Samuil and others. Serbia does not have emperor in 850 its kniaz (prince), Serbia is empire during the time of Stefan Dushan Silni (Silni mean the mighty). There are bulgarian population in Kosovo even now but its islamic by the turcks (they are called gorans, some of them still speak bulgarian).
But yes Kosovo is serbian teritory, all orthodox countries must fight against the islamisation on the Balkans.
Its hard to get it, if you are not from this region, not only Serbia also Bulgaria have problem with islamic fanatics, just now Serbia have bigger problems.
The islamic population hate christians. You can see the horrors of this islamic invasion: destruction of church
Its true, Serbia and Bulgaria were always the barrier between Europe and the Islam, now there is islamic "catenary" here (Turkey-the Rodopi mountains-Albania-Kosovo).
____________
|
|
SirDunco
Responsible
Supreme Hero
|
|
posted January 03, 2008 02:59 PM |
|
|
Quote:
But they seek their indipendance by force not referendum! They should not be allowed to do that. They are taking that territory!
The Kosovo Albanians already live in Kosovo how can they take that territory when it's practically theirs? They are the ethnic majority in Kosovo... If they were a minority that would be another thing.
|
|
antipaladin
Promising
Legendary Hero
of Ooohs and Aaahs
|
|
posted January 03, 2008 02:59 PM |
|
|
Quote:
Yes, we do. But this is no noncence[/font]. I wonder how would you feel if you didn't have your country antipaladin.
this is differnt, Serbia will exist without kosovo. Do you see my calling palastians as intruders? no. Am i happy withthe war? No. Do i want full indepency, Yes.
Quote:
:
everyone should have this freedom,and independcy.
The freedon to kill and destroy other peoples religious objects? (you misspelled indipendance) You don't even know what is going around here, antipaladin, do you?
you think this is not going around here? I know excally what im saying.
Israel did agreed to the desicon that fallowed the end of the british mandate on the land,to create 2 contrys,Israel and Palastine, the palastinians disagreed and started a 2 years war,of which all arabic nations later join against israel. At first we ware weakned,but within the 2 years,we raped 4 countrys,all by ourselfs.
Do you know how this war called in israel? of indepedence,and in arabic countrys? a Disaaster. ounqerd more territorys then we had too,and now they want it back,whats won by blood will only be returned by blood no?
And yet,im for the peace.At the moment gaze is at no place to controll itself,the hamas and fatah are not yet finished killing each other. when the riot will done and fatah emarge vitcotoriouse,then we can negoatiate peace.
Forget about what happens now. If giving it independece will couse the blood shed to end,then i say go for it.
I might not have any idea whatsoever but im giving my opinion,thats what you asked right ? And thats what i gave you.
You have no right to justify zan jeruslam ignorant rudness. This is just like saying,if i side with the muslim at kosovo and call you intruders? Give them small part of your property and leave them alone. If there whatever you say they are,they wont survive long themselfs.
____________
types in obscure english
|
|
executor
Famous Hero
Otherworldly Ambassador
|
|
posted January 03, 2008 06:04 PM |
|
|
IMO Kosovo should be separated from Serbia, with Serbs and their material culture objects evacuated, as this bloodshed won't end otherwise. Then, if albanians bothin Albania and Kosovo want it, it could merge with Albania.
Perhaps such a sollution could solve the problem, at least most of the problem.
____________
Understanding is a three-edged sword.
|
|
Vidoja
Bad-mannered
Known Hero
Checker for Heroes Competiton
|
|
posted January 03, 2008 07:40 PM |
|
|
Quote:
IMO Kosovo should be separated from Serbia, with Serbs and their material culture objects evacuated, as this bloodshed won't end otherwise. Then, if albanians bothin Albania and Kosovo want it, it could merge with Albania.
Perhaps such a sollution could solve the problem, at least most of the problem.
Fellow Slav, 'there material culture objects evacuated' isn't possible. We have big monasteries there and our churches (a very very big number, but I'll tell you when I find the precised number). But who started this bloodshed? Not Serbs. And they have to go away. Your proposal is etnic cleansing It violates the Resolution 1244, the statute of UN and the By-law of Serbia and humanity! Your proposal is cleansing of Serbs. Serbs suffer from the bloodshed! Albanians should be stopped, and not the Serbs evacuated. How would you feel if the Germans back in WWII did to your people what they did and then sombody says 'We'll evacuate the Pollaks, leave Poland to Germany and problem solved!'. No, my fellow Slav, we fought!
____________
|
|
SirDunco
Responsible
Supreme Hero
|
|
posted January 03, 2008 07:46 PM |
|
|
Ethnic cleansing? I think it would be the independence of the Kosovo Albanians from Serbia, that would, at least, somewhat prevent bloodshed in Kosovo.
And the situation is a bit different then the one in Poland before WWII. In Kosovo the majority of the population are Kosovo Albanians not Serbs, where as in Poland the Poles were the majority.
|
|
VokialBG
Honorable
Legendary Hero
First in line
|
|
posted January 03, 2008 08:01 PM |
|
Edited by VokialBG at 20:05, 03 Jan 2008.
|
Quote:
it could merge with Albania.
There is possibility for this, but it will not happen (at least not soon) there is someone who have interest in many small countries on the Balkans and separate Kosovo.
Quote:
WE have muslims memmbers here.
everyone should have this freedom,and independcy.
True everyone have this right, and in Kosovo are living more albanians then serbs.
____________
|
|
Vidoja
Bad-mannered
Known Hero
Checker for Heroes Competiton
|
|
posted January 03, 2008 09:14 PM |
|
|
Quote:
Ethnic cleansing? I think it would be the independence of the Kosovo Albanians from Serbia, that would, at least, somewhat prevent bloodshed in Kosovo.
And who spils blood in Kosovo, might I ask?
____________
|
| |
|
|
