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Destro23
Promising
Famous Hero
Keeper of GrongGrong
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posted September 23, 2008 03:01 PM |
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You people are pathetic. Absolutely Pathetic. I am glad to know I havn't came onto HC over the last couple days to see this absolute abomination being produced.
It actually makes me physically ill to see some of you players going on the way you are. I am almost speechless here beleive it or not.
I remember way back when I found a game on the discount shelf called Heroes of might and magic 3. And so I installed it.. man the opening cinematic was good. There was another option when I opened the cd it was called "play online" so I clicked it.. it then gave me the options to play on Heat.net or Zone.com.. well heat didnt work but zone did. I logged on there and found about 80 people sitting in rooms playing games, I think actually my first game back then was vs a guy named AndiAngelSlayer and he tore me a new ***hole. I then met a bunch a bunch of people and started playing .. that was 8 years ago. Maybe more I don't know. The morale of that story is that I quickly met a group of people whome I very much enjoyed playing the game with.. I had a blast, They introduced me to a tournament called toh that actually supported multiplayer standings on a game that the creators/producers had turned their backs on completely.
Just like today, there was essentially one man behind all of that.. Vesuvius...
The tournament has always had those who are playing merely for rankings, and loads of people playing for fun. I didn't care whom I played or what we played I was just having a blast playing. And it was made even more fun because it was measured.
As for the topic at hand. It is really a shame that Ves had not looked at those prizes, or the clan pages. To retract the prize earlier. I can understand the frustration about not recieving a prize you "worked" so hard to attain. (This last statement is laughable) I would like to apologize for those games I played with you Al.. I thought we were having fun.. didn't realize it was just a means to an end for you.
Please also understand that those prizes are out of Ves's pocket.. this is an organized tournament built by supporters. Its not a syndicated organization. As others have mentioned you don't have to pay to play. But mark my words.. without TOH.. many of us would not be able to play Heroes at all online. We wouldn't have the contacts. Lots of people will tell you about other organizations you can play in, they have always been there.. they come and they go. But I think one thing you would find in common with all of them is that their main driving persons were orignally members of toh.
The money in the prizes come from Vesuvius pocket.. its not his obligation to pay out those prizes. I wish this oversight was not made on his part in regards to the clan prizes, I agree they should have been removed. But thats not to say that I think he should be paying them out now.
TOH has kept the games we all love and enjoy active and playable for years and years now. Not even the manufacturers support multiplayer in any of the games they made.
Honestly I don't know what to say or how to respond.. This thread has made me sick. Play the game because you enjoy it. Anything more than that is a bonus.
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Casihasi
Known Hero
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posted September 23, 2008 03:22 PM |
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Edited by Casihasi at 15:22, 23 Sep 2008.
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Most of the stuff here makes me sick nowadays..it was all so easy when there was just 1 great game everyone loved..Heroes 3.
Most of the good people from the old days have moved on, simply because H4 and H5 cannot compete.
And TOH has been left behind with a bunch of whiners and wannabe players, that are prolly not even skilled in any form.
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AL_Killmore
Adventuring Hero
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posted September 23, 2008 03:56 PM |
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Destro23,
I can assure you that I enjoy playing Heroes 5. I always did. Otherwise I would play some other game and wouldn't even bother coming here in ToH.
Unfortunetely for Vesuvius and all you emotional "old" players (I play Heroes series since "King's Bounty") me and my friends come here in ToH and while having fun we won the "ToH Clans" tourney. We won it with skills and dedication. And with high activity - one of the things that Vesuvius uses as an excuse for breaking his promises...
You are absolutely right - money were supposed to be a bonus. In my country 250$ are at least 200-300 beers. So it was OK for me. Having fun and have some reward - like a real semipro-gamer. Why the hell not?
Yet that bonus appeared to be just a LIE.
Don't expect me to be happy with that. Don't expect me to respect a CHEAP LIAR. If those were Vesuvius' last money - I would understand. Everyone would.
But that is not the case, isn't it ? He's a rich guy playing cheap.
Now that IS pathetic.
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TheDeath
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
with serious business
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posted September 23, 2008 04:00 PM |
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I can assure you that I enjoy playing Heroes 5. I always did. Otherwise I would play some other game and wouldn't even bother coming here in ToH.
From your posts I gather that you bother only for the money 
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Don't expect me to be happy with that. Don't expect me to respect a CHEAP LIAR. If those were Vesuvius' last money - I would understand. Everyone would.
But that is not the case, isn't it ? He's a rich guy playing cheap.
Now that IS pathetic.
Pathetic is to ask him for money when all you did was PLAY a GAME. Normally people BUY games to HAVE FUN, unless they develop a game (and test it), which is NOT the case here with you.
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The above post is subject to SIRIOUSness.
No jokes were harmed during the making of this signature.
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted September 23, 2008 04:03 PM |
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Quote:
Most of the stuff here makes me sick nowadays..it was all so easy when there was just 1 great game everyone loved..Heroes 3.
Most of the good people from the old days have moved on, simply because H4 and H5 cannot compete.
And TOH has been left behind with a bunch of whiners and wannabe players, that are prolly not even skilled in any form.
Actualy H5 after ToTe is realy good game and not less good from h3. So far h5 is very different and its not correct to compare both games direct. What i like most in H5 its simulate turns.
BTW if you want can test my skills on H3. I'm sure my clan can beat all toh clans on h3 too 
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted September 23, 2008 04:11 PM |
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I hope Vesuvius watch this thread with humour and condescension. Players of poor human condition have always existed in TOH, but this time it is a true climax.
Go elsewhere if you do not like, nobody will miss you. Except your little and insignificant clique, all the forum looks at you with horror.
250$ means 250 beers for you? That is your argument for insulting someone? Now we know who you are.
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AL_Killmore
Adventuring Hero
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posted September 23, 2008 04:16 PM |
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TheDeath,
I'm not asking anyone for money. Vesuvius offered them by his own free will. He promoted his tourney that way. It was an advertising for ToH.
And that advertising was FAKE.
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valkyrica
Supreme Hero
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posted September 23, 2008 04:26 PM |
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I did post in here, just not as much as others cause I wanna keep out of the name calling, the rabies and such.
Objectively looking at it, both parties are correct.
I can bring arguments in each party's favor, but what good would that do ?
If we could stop all this rage and reason I'm sure we could reach a consensus.
On one hand Ves could give in and hand out the awards as advertised. He'll receive a huge blow to his image and maybe his moral values (giving in to terrorist demands) and the mercenary would see his goal fulfilled.
On the other hand, Al & the gang could close their eyes, letting this mistake go by, understanding the reasoning behind it (I'm sure none of them really think that Ves has a problem handing out 1000$, whatever the case may be, it's moral thing). They could continue playing here, having fun and maybe in the end winning one of the other prizes (without aiming for them).
But none of the 2 listed above will happen. The solution is for each of them to give in just a bit (e.g. drop the money, get some extra prestige and medals, or some ranking points now, or bla, bla, bla).
I guess I could pitch in with a case of beers as well.
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I'm Guybrush Threepwood, mighty pirate
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AL_Killmore
Adventuring Hero
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posted September 23, 2008 04:42 PM |
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Hehehehe, "terrorist demand" 
That was good.
As if I had to threat or beg for the prize that I won in a honest and fair way. As if I broke my own word like Vesuvius did.
My Clan is the insulted side here. Did Vex have to beg for his reward ? Did Strider_HL have to whine and steal from Vesuvius' pockets ? Did the Caesar have to beat his prize out of him ?
So why is the selection ? Why 2-3 players receive their prizes and the other winners do not ?
Where's the honor in that ? Where's the justice ?
Simple questions, yet nobody answered to them for now...
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted September 23, 2008 04:45 PM |
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Some times valkyrica talk smart
I realy cant understand Salamandre and other ppl like him. You are talk blind and not think.
In real life fake adversting is criminal action. In real life double standarts is called discrimination. In real life money are all. Why the hell you cant understand basic stufs. Another problem is most from you dont ever play
Its totaly stupid decision do not give prize to most active ppl/clan in toh when you are unhappy from low activity.
Every one make mistakes but only smart people can understand/accept it and try to fix.
About fun vs money part: If we have not fun from play h5 we will not ever play. Money from prize CANT pay my internet connection only for 1 year. Its totaly stupid some one to say we are play only for money. Its simple not efective to play for them one year. If you CANT READ i alredy offer Ves few times to DROP ALL PRIZES. All what we want is same rules/standarts for all.
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Asheera
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Elite Assassin
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posted September 23, 2008 04:48 PM |
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Are you jealous on Strider?Quote:
Its totaly stupid decision do not give prize to most active ppl/clan in toh when you are unhappy from low activity.
That's not for you to decide, since it's not your tournament.
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TheDeath
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
with serious business
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posted September 23, 2008 04:53 PM |
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In real life fake adversting is criminal action. In real life double standarts is called discrimination. In real life money are all. Why the hell you cant understand basic stufs.
No contract. None whatsoever. He isn't obligated to do it. I can give money to whoever i want, no one can say "Hey why did you give money to Bob and not to me?" it to me and FORCE me to hand out money, if there's no contract. Period.
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Another problem is most from you dont ever play
Great argument, what has that got to do with money anyway? Playing is for fun if I remember
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted September 23, 2008 04:55 PM |
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Are you jealous on Strider?Quote:
Its totaly stupid decision do not give prize to most active ppl/clan in toh when you are unhappy from low activity.
That's not for you to decide, since it's not your tournament.
Actualy i'm part from This turnament but you are not part from ToH. So i can decide but you cant
If its other player not Strider reaction will be same. This time its not his fail
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Asheera
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Elite Assassin
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posted September 23, 2008 04:57 PM |
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Actualy i'm part from This turnament but you are not part from ToH. So i can decide but you cant
Actually none of us can, only Ves as the creator of ToH.
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted September 23, 2008 05:00 PM |
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Edited by Elit at 17:00, 23 Sep 2008.
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No contract. None whatsoever. He isn't obligated to do it. I can give money to whoever i want, no one can say "Hey why did you give money to Bob and not to me?" it to me and FORCE me to hand out money, if there's no contract. Period.
For this its DISHONOR ACTION because Ves give his word and not stand after it.
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Another problem is most from you dont ever play
Great argument, what has that got to do with money anyway?
Playing is for fun if I remember
All what you do is "post for fun" but not play. At least we are play
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radar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Castle/Haven player
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posted September 23, 2008 05:43 PM |
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"He has killed your wife!" "Uh, doesn't matter, I still love him because he babysits my two children"
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TheDeath
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
with serious business
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posted September 23, 2008 05:55 PM |
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All what you do is "post for fun" but not play. At least we are play
But I don't brag about it. And I don't whine for Valeriy to give me money (the admin of the forum)
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted September 23, 2008 06:04 PM |
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The solution is for each of them to give in just a bit (e.g. drop the money, get some extra prestige and medals, or some ranking points now, or bla, bla, bla).
Hmm, perhaps both parties might follow this Valky's suggestion?
Don't be blindly judgemental! If you read carefully one of the last Ves posts you will find all answers there. Namely, he forgot that there still was this advertising. The same applies to one of the older news about other prizes that are advertized two times higher. He is the ONLY manager (and too busy in real life) and it's only natural that there are many obsolete texts on the site. For instance, the Caesars section hasn't been properly updated for more than a month 
Conclusion is that the "false" promotion was just a result of unintentional sloppiness. Understanding this it should be easy to scatter all anger and disappointment
Those who attack Al with righteous rage are not fair either. As I wrote in my first post then technically he is right. Yet, his approach to the problem with trashing Ves in ugly manner is reproachful. However, give him a slack and understand that those are emotions shouting.
About the money. You might look at it also from the perspetive of absolute numbers and not relative ratio. In other words, all regular season awards have been reduced by 250$ - from 500 to 250 and from 250 to 0. Why do I write this? Because, using this logic it might be easier to see that all prize receivers were treated equally - individually all "lost" 250$. Now, isn't it easier to forgive Ves absentmindedness?
About unreported games. In this case Vangelis is correct. Veterans surely remember that all disputes were handled more swiftly in past. Reason? The same - Ves is very busy! What can you expect if he is even short of time to update main sections of the site?
Suggestion. What do we see in Maps section? Finally it's updated! Why? Because this responsibility was delegated to Jinxer (thx, mate). Morale? Ves, maybe you can delegate some more mundane responsibilities to your trusted buddies? 
P.s. nancy is slandering again (will you stop?)... no "fake" save loss. I still got those screens completely justifying me. As for me then I don't play nancy because he's lame disconnector.
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angelito
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
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posted September 23, 2008 06:37 PM |
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"He has killed your wife!" "Uh, doesn't matter, I still love him because he babysits my two children"
Radar, this is soo wrong. And I'm not sure you're doing well in judging someone you had close to zero contact as of yet.
Maybe all those "good advicers" who have never played any H5 game, or even any game for ToH at all should stay out of this to not unnecessary add oil to the fire.
About the theory "money brings more players to a tournament/game. I think this is quite untrue. It may bring more cheaters, but frightens away those who want to play for fun and fear such drama threads which were created lately in the ToH forum about "dishonour", "breaking rules" etc...
ToH ran fine for 9 years now, and I hope Ves will continue his work when H6 comes out, but stops handing out money, so only those who LOVE the game will play and meet and even laugh about mistakes they made in game against each other instead of insulting...
My 2 cents...
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted September 23, 2008 06:41 PM |
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P.s. nancy is slandering again (will you stop?)... no "fake" save loss. I still got those screens completely justifying me. As for me then I don't play nancy because he's lame disconnector.
I'm keep all logs from convo with Ves and i can post it in forum if you continue talk snows.
Its was simple. You loss your save. I send you my save and its not work ONLY on your PC. So far its realy NOT MY PROBLEM.
You loss your save and my time (over one month) for play ...so you need to report.
For this i'm call you BAD LOSSER because you are ready to make everything for not report loss.
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