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posted October 21, 2008 10:13 AM |
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Satisfy your logic Cel. Considering our biological composure and the tools we are given I say it's pretty damn logical that we eat meat.
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where if we go about the the other decision, no one is hurt
Whatever gave you the right to qualify plants as "no one"? I'm completely serious btw.
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posted October 21, 2008 10:17 AM |
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@TA I cant come up with a solid reason but we have to survive, and to not eat growth from bacterias and plants would mean death in the long run. So if thats not reason enough I dont know what is.
There is none.
Just as there is no reason why we eat meat.
We just do.
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posted October 21, 2008 10:19 AM |
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posted October 21, 2008 10:20 AM |
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Plants, idk, and its not my logic its logic in general.. Just because its been done in the past doesnt make it right for the now.
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posted October 21, 2008 10:21 AM |
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The past is not the argument! Again
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Considering our biological composure and the tools we are given I say it's pretty damn logical that we eat meat.
It's nature.
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posted October 21, 2008 10:24 AM |
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Now let's change the topic. Give one reason why wearing clothes by nice weather is ok.
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posted October 21, 2008 10:26 AM |
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As of today I declare my independence from pants!!
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posted October 21, 2008 10:28 AM |
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Dude pants are groovy you can't go without those oO. Longunderwear however... dude they are what's really behind 9/11...
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posted October 21, 2008 10:45 AM |
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As I said, just because plants can not communicate on a level we understand, does not mean they are not as (or more so) intelligent then animals. Nor that they do not feel pain. Some people become paralyzed and unable to speak..does that mean they don't feel pain? (Actually it doesn't because some have recovered and did feel pain).
So if eating meat is 'cruel' and 'wrong' then how is eating anything else any better?
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posted October 21, 2008 10:54 AM |
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Considering our biological composure and the tools we are given I say it's pretty damn logical that we eat meat.
Tools we are given like bolt driving guns? Or teeth with sharpness to them? Name some of these tools.
And I say again, that There is no logical justification to eat meat with a clear conscience. There is however no answer to if its OK to not eat meat as well. Accept that we would still be healthy and no one would be hurt.
We are given power to enslave animals does that count as a tool?
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posted October 21, 2008 10:56 AM |
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Mytical, we have to eat something, I never said plants are any better, I just said IDK about plants. But if we stopped eating plants and just ate meat, we would get sick and die, where if we harvested plants and not animals we would live.
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posted October 21, 2008 10:59 AM |
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I think he was referring to our ability to digest meat..
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posted October 21, 2008 11:05 AM |
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Well, I have known some very sickly/fragile Vegans, so I am not so sure about your claim. A truely balanced diet is the way to go. Not just meat, and not just weeds.
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posted October 21, 2008 11:30 AM |
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I think he was referring to our ability to digest meat..
No you imbacil I was talking about nuclear powerplants to heat the ovens in which we burn the cows we don't eat just for the fun of it! BWAHAHAHAAAHA!
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Ehm yeah the ability to digest meat and our teeth are designed to eat plants and meat. Those are the tools I mean. You don't get it do you? Nature designed us so that we could the consume meat. That's a fact oO.
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And I say again, that There is no logical justification to eat meat with a clear conscience.
How is the fact that nature designed us so, a ridicolously logical justification?
And no if you were only to harvest you wouldn't be healthy. Mytical is right you need both.
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posted October 21, 2008 11:34 AM |
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Mytical, we have to eat something, I never said plants are any better, I just said IDK about plants. But if we stopped eating plants and just ate meat, we would get sick and die, where if we harvested plants and not animals we would live.
What's the point in stopping eating meat if there's no better alternative?
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posted October 21, 2008 11:48 AM |
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Because we're not on higher consciousness level to decide what is absolutely correct and what is not
too much stuff is relative by our ethics
thus we shouldn't go "humanity is wrong it destroys everything blah blah blah" berserk on ourselves
and we shouldn't pretend we know more than we do and tell others what is the only correct way of living.
Now pardon me, I have a nice steak to eat.
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posted October 21, 2008 11:52 AM |
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EDIT: MURDERER!!
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posted October 21, 2008 11:52 AM |
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The most logical reason to not to eat meat is that producing it uses up a lot more resources than producing vergetarian diet does.
If we wouldn't eat meat we could feed much more people. There would be no need for people to suffer from hunger. Not to mention that now we are eating more wheed, for example, than we are producing.
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I know that there's no many more stupid starts for a post than "I haven't read the thread" but I had not much patience I read the 1st page though (more or less). I let you know this only because I might repeat arguments already used or disclaimed.
I think Adrius wrote on the 1st page:
Why not to eat animals?
Do you feel guilty, do you find it a "sin", does it cross your moral compass or what, why? I personally find nothing bad in eating a good healthy meal.
You may say it is taking of life?
Why it is good then to eat plants?
They live you know. and there are attempts to proove they "know" much then we ever imagined. They certainly can "react" to their environment (well, restricted but still). don't you feel pity for those poor little tomatoes? [/sarcasm]
Plants are not enough for a healthy diet.
You know what? Swine fat is far more healthy than margarines (even more, the latter is harmful). As it is rather evident plant and animal body structure and physiology differs a lot. It means that animals consist of different kinds of substances than plants. Let see cholesterol for example. [cholesterol is Very important for health] Your body can make cholesterol from other molecules, but it costs a big deal of energy. Also plants mean much less calorie, that's why herbivores pasture all day.
And there are many other things that make being an animal-eater sensible for humans. It is the simple, natural and "good" way of it. It is not a historical "habit" it is in your very cells. You have your intestinal system in order to digest animals and plants.
Also I see you have no problems about insect-killing. So what is your reason against eating animal food? I think killing insects for instance brought more danger to the planet than meat-eating. (think of DDT eg)
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Tools we are given like bolt driving guns? Or teeth with sharpness to them? Name some of these tools.
And I say again, that There is no logical justification to eat meat with a clear conscience. There is however no answer to if its OK to not eat meat as well. Accept that we would still be healthy and no one would be hurt.
We are given power to enslave animals does that count as a tool?
Mytical, we have to eat something, I never said plants are any better, I just said IDK about plants. But if we stopped eating plants and just ate meat, we would get sick and die, where if we harvested plants and not animals we would live.
Okay. Then why not simply starve?
If you eat but plants, it Does involve risks. A pity that I'm not a dieteics professional, but I'm going to ask one.
Joonas, I don't believe that global starvation is caused by meat-eat. Greed is the word you are looking for, might "money" would help as well.
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Just because its been done in the past doesnt make it right for the now
Why don't you photosynthetize the bloody glucose you need????
Do you still breath time-worn oxygen?
Are you a cloth-wearer as your sinful ancestors?
You drink water?
You use electricity?
You study mathemetics?
You write with ink?
You love your mother?
You are planning to have children and take care of them?!
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posted October 21, 2008 01:36 PM |
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O Katrina, why you gotta be mean?
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