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SwampLord
Supreme Hero
Lord of the Swamp
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posted January 13, 2011 11:20 PM |
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It's traditionally associated with Death, yes, which is why it was a great weapon for the Devil to have; it possesses a pretty dark vibe.
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They can take my swamp, they can take my town, but they will never take my FREEDOM!
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e-lysander
Known Hero
Lysander
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posted January 14, 2011 12:10 AM |
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Quote: So if I understands correctly, everybody will be fine with a Juggernaut riding a Nightmare, correct? Or Nightmare riding a Juggernaut?
I'd prefer the Efreet, personally, but the Juggernaut is satisfactory.
I dunno, I didn't think Efreeti really fit with Inferno. They didn't seem... "demonic" enough, or something. I think they worked well with the whole "Chaos" theme in Heroes IV.
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wckey
Famous Hero
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posted January 14, 2011 12:17 AM |
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Edited by wckey at 00:22, 14 Jan 2011.
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Like Nighterror said, they're too similar.
But I think the Tormentor is the creature wich should be replaced by a nightmare. I mean, Inferno needs at least one monster that looks like a strong beast that relies only on physical strength.
They could put an efreet in game as a neutral or a boss (we don't know yet the Boss wich is related to Inferno faction).
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted January 14, 2011 12:26 AM |
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Quote:
Like Nighterror said, they're too similar.
Do you also think that all black people look the same?
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Map also hosted on Moddb
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whiterider
Known Hero
death walks with me
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posted January 14, 2011 12:36 AM |
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Most women differentiate cars by colors, not models So it is a common mistake by them, these two demons look brown-redish, hence they are identical.
Edit:I noticed in one of NT's posts that she says that the skull was taken from the Jaguar warriors and they are now wielding shields (and this was the Mauler, the Jaguar Warrior is not changed, it is in the trailer).
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted January 14, 2011 12:43 AM |
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Well, at least wee have the nice breeder that brakes the demonic stereotype
BTW. Elvin when can wee see its in-game model
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wckey
Famous Hero
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posted January 14, 2011 01:02 AM |
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Quote: Well, at least wee have the nice breeder that brakes the demonic stereotype
BTW. Elvin when can wee see its in-game model
Well, all the models in the website are from the first creatures they revealed in artworks (plus the Water Dragon/Dragon Eel/Water elemental which was revealed in the first gameplay video).
Maybe it's just a coincidence, but I would guess that they will reveal models in the same order as they revealed the artworks.
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Come back soon, Elvin!
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meskyn
Adventuring Hero
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posted January 14, 2011 02:01 AM |
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until now:
I like the most all forms of vampire attack
least: the griffin attack, a bird of prey should be more nimble
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mytheroes
Famous Hero
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posted January 14, 2011 02:13 AM |
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I don't know about you guys, but I was able to spot the Tormentor easily enough. On the other hand, I barely notice the Juggernaut...
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shooshima
Adventuring Hero
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posted January 14, 2011 03:57 AM |
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I think i should post this for all the guys on the forum, who have been yelled at by nightterror:
ugh...Women...Can't live with them, and you can't live without them.
Also i think they should scrap the sanctuary and add in "The Cat Faction"
Core:
Cat-Alley Cat
Roadkill-Living Roadkill
Cat with wings-Big Cat with Wings
Elite:
Scaredy Cat-Black Cat
Fat Cat-Fat Albert
Hillbilly Cat-Red Neck Cat
Champion:
Mega Cat-The Uber Cat!
what do you think?
also the faction ability is that when surrounded the cat explodes destroying everything on the map
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It's not hard to be smart, all you need is Common Sense
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invictus7
Adventuring Hero
Lurking About...
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posted January 14, 2011 04:24 AM |
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Hmmm... Scintillating
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Jabanoss
Promising
Legendary Hero
Property of Nightterror™
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posted January 14, 2011 04:47 AM |
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"The Cat Faction"
My new favorite faction!
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"You turn me on Jaba"
- Meroe
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Kenishi
Famous Hero
passed out drunk in Tavern's
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posted January 14, 2011 06:26 AM |
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Quote: What if the war between Angels and the Faceless ware carried on the Spirit Realm, hence the rules wouldn't apply, and the story would take on from this premise
Well in timeline this is what it says:
Elder Wars
The angels launch a crusade on the faceless. The battle is vast and costly, resulting in not only the destruction of most of the ancient civilizations, but also most of the elder races; early elf civilizations and kingdoms are destroyed.
Because of the destruction of the kingdoms and civilizations I don't believe that it was fought in the Spirit Realm.
This text is ambiguous so presume this:
1. The final battle took place in the Spirit Realm hence the death of the Angel General.
2. If taken in consideration that cataclysmic events in ancient world ware interpreted as battles between good (or dislike of the goods towards the worshipers) in this fantasy world called Ashan the battle between Angels and Faceless had repercussion upon Ashan destroying whole civilizations and creating floods, volcanic eruption etc.
3. What Elvin said in his post
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No Gods, no Masters. Knowledge is Power, and Power is Freedom
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted January 14, 2011 07:52 AM |
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I happen to agree that all those walking humanoids demonoids are a bit too similar. Maniac, Succubus, Tormentor, Jugganaut, Pit Fiend. Which of these clearly stand out from the rest? Succubus, obviously. Pit Fiend also, with the wings. The rest - of course they are not identical, but they have a lot in common. I think at least one of them could go.
Nightmare was pretty good because it was pretty different from what else was in Inferno. Making the Cerberus large (if that's indeed the case) makes it look from a small horse, but if they had kept the Cerberus small, I don't think there's nearly as much overlap between him and Nightmare. Call me out if I'm wrong.
Efreet - no, perhaps it's not a demon. But it's iconic.
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What will happen now?
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kodial79
Promising
Supreme Hero
How'd Phi's Lov't
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posted January 14, 2011 09:37 AM |
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I think the matter of similar units has reached the level of hysteria. Pretty much something like the Red Scare in 50's USA? Yes, I believe that what we got here is people who are obsessing over unit designs and are trying too hard to notice similarities between them or with those of other games, and fault them for it. The driving force behind it, is that they did not get to have their favorite units from previous games. And even if in the end of it all, there are some vague similarities in their designs, so what? Although personally I don't see any, I don't consider a few similarities between some units to be a bad thing either.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted January 14, 2011 10:57 AM |
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On thing that I think is good, is that the demons are not only raging brutes but also other thing like Madness, Pain and torture enter the scene.
As much as you want, in the previews games there were only2 aspects: Destruction and coroption. The inferno, dpicted in heroes VI is more complex. It gives better image of the society in Sheog.
And also the fact that the 6 demon lords are mentioned (with I think are the opposites to the 6 elemental dragons) will help to make demons have a more deep feeling than just destructive mindless brutes.
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I'm just a Mirror of your self.
We see, we look, we gather, we store, we teach.
We are many, and you can be one of us.
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properkheldar
Famous Hero
Keeper of books
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posted January 14, 2011 11:05 AM |
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There were a lot of interesting stuff on the map in the new orc movie. The part where an orc hero was walking around showed (at least i think) the haven sister units back and on this picture it seems like a neutral creature. I base that assumption on the fact that in H5 the nautral units had a similar styled "ring" beneath them when on the map.
There were also some interesting structures like what could have been a dwelling of sorts and a "flying" tower thing. Don´t have any pictures of that though but it´s in the movie
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kodial79
Promising
Supreme Hero
How'd Phi's Lov't
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posted January 14, 2011 11:07 AM |
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Quote: Although personally I don't see any
So there, you said it yourself.
People have different tastes and yours is just one of those. Please stop acting like a mom or a shrink, thank you.
Having different tastes is totally acceptable. You can say that you don't like it and be done with it. But condeming it and explicitly stating that it should be removed from the game because you dislike it without taking into consideration that others do like it and the work that was done to create it as well as the work they need to do to change it; well, that's not acceptable.
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kodial79
Promising
Supreme Hero
How'd Phi's Lov't
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posted January 14, 2011 11:26 AM |
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About the particurlar screenshot I have one thing that really makes me wonder. This eagle over the hero's head, whose symbol is it? Stronghold has the hand and Haven has that sun like symbol. So it really makes me wonder what does the eagle stand for. Also notice how Orcs are the treasure guardians in the snow terrain? What's up with that? I wonder if the monsters guarding treasure are chosen randomly... Lastly up there with Dragonblood crystal, the building guarded by the Mauler is the same (I think) as the one we've seen in the Stronghold's screenshots. I thought then that it was a Creature Dwelling for Maulers now I'm not so sure. Either the storyline of the Orcs is connected with snow or the units and buildings appear on the map at random? Well, maybe I'm wrong on both guesses too.
There's another thing that's been brought to my attention, in the strong dev diary video. The event battle log has units using different names: Tormented instead of Tormentor, Vampire Knight instead of Vampire Lord, Bloodeyed Cyclops instead of Enraged Cyclops and Orc Warrior instead of Mauler. Probably this is just WIP but I think it's noteworthy.
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properkheldar
Famous Hero
Keeper of books
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posted January 14, 2011 11:32 AM |
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Well, i made my own screencapture of the things i mentioned earlier. The supposed haven sister, the "floating tower", the potentiall dwelling and a round blue crystal
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