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Onryo
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posted February 06, 2011 02:51 PM |
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Edited by Onryo at 14:53, 06 Feb 2011.
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P.S. The best vampire in the Heroes franchise was the one from H3 I loved the Nosferatu look and also made more sens whit the whole cohesion of the faction and is the only reason that H3 Unded wins on H2 on or any other sequel for me.
Yes, I loved the nosferatu look of the H3 vampires too! (Though the H2 vampires were the funniest ones to date."Blaah!")
But has it already been pointed by anyone that the new vampires have somehow been merged together with the death knights? I mean, in H2-H4 the vamps wore fine clothes and cloaks. In H5 they got swords, and now they have armour too!
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Charrclaw
Known Hero
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posted February 06, 2011 02:55 PM |
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Vampire knights look so cool in DM
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted February 06, 2011 03:09 PM |
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P.S. The best vampire in the Heroes franchise was the one from H3 I loved the Nosferatu look and also made more sens whit the whole cohesion of the faction and is the only reason that H3 Unded wins on H2 on or any other sequel for me.
Yes, I loved the nosferatu look of the H3 vampires too! (Though the H2 vampires were the funniest ones to date."Blaah!")
But has it already been pointed by anyone that the new vampires have somehow been merged together with the death knights? I mean, in H2-H4 the vamps wore fine clothes and cloaks. In H5 they got swords, and now they have armour too!
We have Vampire Knights in DMoMaM - And they look nice
The Death knight from HoMaM V is also sayed to be a vampire (Look at there discription)
So why not have Vampire knights in MaM-H VI. I do not see any problem with that
What do I see a problem in is there Armor I just don't like the look of it.
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Onryo
Tavern Dweller
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posted February 06, 2011 03:21 PM |
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I too like the new vampires, even their armour!
So the death knights in H5 are vampires too?! I didn't notice that. They are not that common... But that really made sence! I've always had trouble placing the undead knights under any of the common undead categories, though I thought they had to be either vamps, revenants or even liches. I made a post of this earlier in this tread, where I described the usual necropolis units, but I couldn't take the knights into it. Thanks for the info
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Lawmaker
Hired Hero
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posted February 06, 2011 03:46 PM |
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Wow no dragon yet, wth? A mythological game where the world is dominated by dragon gods, yet no stereotypical dragon seen or mentioned yet. I know we asked for little dragons but no dragons at all is not what i thought of. If the last faction is the wizards does it mean that all dragons will be neutral (dragon el doesnt feel dragony to me).
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kodial79
Promising
Supreme Hero
How'd Phi's Lov't
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posted February 06, 2011 03:46 PM |
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Edited by kodial79 at 15:47, 06 Feb 2011.
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Nah, I don't know so much about those creatures as 80% of those creatures are nonsense or totally weird or stupid. There are some very cool ones, but more of them don't make sense to me.
You can give it your try tho, I was only covering the Greek Mythology because I like it most.
The Kelpie, the Merrow, the Bucca, the Glaistig, the Brownie, the Pixie, the Spriggan, the Banshee, the Selkie, the Lepprechaun, the Dullahan, the Changeling, the Pech, the Bodach...
Just to name a few famous Celtic ones...
@LawMaker
Dragons will be bosses.
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Lawmaker
Hired Hero
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posted February 06, 2011 03:49 PM |
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I am fine with them being bosses(heck they should) but as a dragonfan i would like to at least play in a faction with dragons as recruitable creatures.
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Onryo
Tavern Dweller
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posted February 06, 2011 03:51 PM |
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Edited by Onryo at 15:53, 06 Feb 2011.
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If dragons will be bosses, then mayhaps if Dungeon returns, will Hydra be their champ units then??? In that case I will really miss the black dragon. He is a legend in the HoMM history.
But of course, it makes more sence to have them as bosses.
If only you could somehow make them as troops by the use of map editor.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted February 06, 2011 03:52 PM |
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Quote: I am fine with them being bosses(heck they should) but as a dragonfan i would like to at least play in a faction with dragons as recruitable creatures.
Well wee know about the Dragon Eel
And I think The Kirin is the closest you will get to a recruitable Dragon
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DarkLord
Supreme Hero
Fear me..
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posted February 06, 2011 04:08 PM |
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Quote: But in true mythology Lamia is a serpent-vampire... there are enough serpent ladies (naga / Medusa) as it is...
I rather see the liontaur version of the Lamia then... the one you probably hate because its probably from D&D.
Quote: sorcess. Slavic, Celtic, Mongolian and central Asia..
Nah, I don't know so much about those creatures as 80% of those creatures are nonsense or totally weird or stupid. There are some very cool ones, but more of them don't make sense to me.
You can give it your try tho, I was only covering the Greek Mythology because I like it most.
you are VERY wrong on this one.. Slavic and Celtic mythologies have incredible creatures, trust me..!
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evinin
Supreme Hero
Servant of Asha
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posted February 06, 2011 04:33 PM |
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Edited by evinin at 16:34, 06 Feb 2011.
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Quote: I only like greek mythology, the others are all strange in many cases and most of their creatures can't be helped they are totally crap.
Okay, and Greek mythology isn't strange?
Greek mythology is strange and sick but that doesn't make it less attractive. Still, there are many things in Greek mythology that are just not for reading... Anyway, Egyptian mythology and Scandinavian mythology are no crap!
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SkrentyzMienty
Famous Hero
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posted February 06, 2011 04:35 PM |
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I think that, even though obviously there's nothing wrong with the Greek Mythology, and some other popular ones, I think it's a shame that HOMM was always limited to ONLY them.
I'd like Ubisoft to include more diverse, original, and yet unexploited Mythologies/legends from around the world, I mean, the world doesn't end on countries around the Mediterranean Sea...
So, the most obvious candidates for making a tribute in HOMM are: Japanese (really interesing), Chinese, Slavic, Aztec (as mentioned by some people it is kinda covered by H6 Stronghold, but I think that a LOT more can be used from it...Quetzecoatls, various gods...
Egyptian, very surprisingly, has never been included in HOMM, apart from the Mummies, but seriously there's more than just Mummies crawling around the Pyramids
So, for example, I'd love a H5 Fortress, with not only Norse Mythology creatures, but also INUIT mythology, coloquially referred to as Eskimo, and it is just as interesting and fitting for a snow faction.
And maybe an African faction? with various beasts, Gnolls, Serpent Flies, animals, Shamans, and I'm sure many supernatural beings are in the Mythology of that continent too...
MAKE H3 FORTRESS COME BACK!
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Sleeping_Sun
Promising
Famous Hero
Townscreen Architect
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posted February 06, 2011 04:36 PM |
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Quote: Slavic and Celtic mythologies doesn't excist, they were folklore or fantasy, NOT mythology.
Mythology is greek, astec, norse, asian and egyptian.
Sorry, but how can you tell that something is a mythology and something is not? What about Perun, Veles and Zora? Are they part of some folklore and fantasy or are they part of mythology?
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S4NdM4N
Tavern Dweller
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posted February 06, 2011 04:36 PM |
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Saying that Celtic, or Slavic mythology doesn't exist is a mistake, both semantically, and knowledge-wise, and kind of insulting for those cultures, but that's not the point. The point is Greek myths are hugely overused in all kinds of games, movies etc. Switching to a new attitude, where makers acutally would get inspiration from something "oddly" new, would be just fantastic, especially in quite stagnant world of Heroes. Seeing just elves, dwarves (which btw. up to homm 4 were only 2 units), etc. borrowed massively from Tolkiens works, together with medusas, Minotaurs, Nemean lions, taken directly from Greek myths is just out of date, and simply not enough to make an interesting, and fresh lore. So far Blackhole has been doing great work avoiding damn elves, and greek myths for as long as possible, on the other hand they turned to Mesopotamia, Hindu, Far East and even Jewish folkolre (lilith/limim). Do not try to kill that cool freshness by making it just another tolkien-greek soup.
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Jabanoss
Promising
Legendary Hero
Property of Nightterror™
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posted February 06, 2011 04:38 PM |
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yeah Scandinavian mythology is absolutely no crap!
For example I would love to have unit like Loki in the game.
His ability would be to turn into an animal and then mate with the opponents units, thus creating powerful offsprings with the abilities and strengths of both parents.
It would be a super unit, hmm maybe a boss even...
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evinin
Supreme Hero
Servant of Asha
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posted February 06, 2011 04:55 PM |
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Edited by evinin at 16:59, 06 Feb 2011.
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Quote: The point is Greek myths are hugely overused in all kinds of games, movies etc.
People don't even know Greek mythology well... And that's because of some stupid movies like "Clash of the Titans" etc. It's a joke. Greek mythology is something that's really hard to be understood. A couple of sweet examples - Zeus and Apollo both have many affairs with males; Bellerophon is half-brother to his horse Pegasus; Pegasus is born from Medusa's blood and is son of Poseidon who was with Medusa when she was a normal women; in some myths Theseus is said to be also half-brother of the Minotaur who is really sickly made. Myths are really badly remade and don't give a real vision of the Greek culture.
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Kenishi
Famous Hero
passed out drunk in Tavern's
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posted February 06, 2011 05:28 PM |
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Yes, I loved the nosferatu look of the H3 vampires too! (Though the H2 vampires were the funniest ones to date."Blaah!")
But has it already been pointed by anyone that the new vampires have somehow been merged together with the death knights? I mean, in H2-H4 the vamps wore fine clothes and cloaks. In H5 they got swords, and now they have armour too!
In my opinion also the vampire from H2 whit the Blhaa sound FX was the funniest ever
The ones for H6 are just over the top I mean I have no issue with them having an armor and sword an all that but when designing or creating the concept the artist should keep in mind some real life facts I mean the crown the Vampire upgrade is wearing in real life battle would be an hindrance, I mean a crown lite smaller would have sufficed (don't get me wrong by no means should an artist imagination be fenced but shouldn't go way out of control)', but I've noticed that almost all of the Necro lineup have this characteristic of huge crowns (or similar) on the head, for the Faith Wear fits, vampire no, lich kinda, ghost no, skeleton no but that's just me.
Also on the topic of Greek mythologies and other ones, Greeks ware divided within city states and worshiped/fabricated different gods/stories to fit there need, and most of them wear to educate people and keep them in line(satyr and minotaur) or inspire them, while the Slavic and most (all make reference only to European continent) other nation came later and wear a single entity sharing stories throw spoken language and while they fulfilled the same roles as the Greek ones were less diverse, and in a lot of cases took in some of the already exiting myth or finding similarity among them wherever they settled.
O and on the reference of North good transforming between genders and giving births, are no less strange than Zeus's turning himself into a swan to r**e Ledo, a golden rain to impregnate Danae, so I i wouldn't put to much trust/emphasis on myths, non the less are great source of inspiration for games destined to mortals.
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Charrclaw
Known Hero
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posted February 06, 2011 06:03 PM |
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I would just like people to stop calling something "crap", "stupid" and all that, respect them all as maybe some of them are part of someones culture.
And saying that slavs don't have mythology is like saying Earth is flat.
At least their gods were badass comparing to fancy greeks. Dažbog, Perun, Vesna, Morana, ROD? Yes, a grand architect in slavic mythology.
And I want to see Ovinik in Heroes.
Btw, vampires, werewolves, dragons and phoenix( Žar-ptica) are present in slavic mythology, some of them still have slavic-given names.
Respect each and every single one.
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Yaeliccc
Known Hero
Undead, but warm and fuzzy
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posted February 06, 2011 07:35 PM |
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ehh... this mythology that mythology, mine is better than yours blah blah blah... there are two things certain in this awesome thingy we call life - 1. we will all die. 2. Medusa from homm3 is the best creation ever made in this franchise, hence regardless of your background, country of origin, your fav mythology, MEDUSA >>>>>>> any creature u can think of or anyone else will ever think of... deal with it
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Charrclaw
Known Hero
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posted February 06, 2011 08:09 PM |
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Quote: ehh... this mythology that mythology, mine is better than yours blah blah blah... there are two things certain in this awesome thingy we call life - 1. we will all die. 2. Medusa from homm3 is the best creation ever made in this franchise, hence regardless of your background, country of origin, your fav mythology, MEDUSA >>>>>>> any creature u can think of or anyone else will ever think of... deal with it
Mhm...isn't a MEDUSA a Name and Gorgon a "species" that Medusa belongs to?
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