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Nelgirith
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted May 23, 2011 07:00 PM |
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Quote: Can heros have initiative? Yes, even in Heroes 5, Initiative of standard 10...maybe Hero initiatives change according to might or magic users, blood or tears...
In H5, heroes had initiative because it was determining when they would act. In H6, they act when any of their creature acts, so they don't need initiative.
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Davy
Known Hero
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posted May 23, 2011 07:18 PM |
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Quote: Programming a game is also complex, but hey, they made it (or atleast, hopefully in september)! So a rmg should really be makeable.
yes and now imagine,if they programm a game and a rmg.That means that even though,the programming of the game is already very complex,they would have to spent their time on another complex feature,which would mean we would have to wait even longer.
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MrDragon
Supreme Hero
Eats people with Ketchup
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posted May 23, 2011 07:30 PM |
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Whilst I belive both sides of this argument have merit, in the end, like Xenofex said, we've already had a lengthy discussion on this, and if memory serves, neither side was able to convince the other.
Though both sides agree there should be an RMG. (to my knowledge anyway, can't imagine somebody not wanting this feature)
The issue is if it is acceptable to ship the game without it for the initial release.
One side is saying yes, the other is saying no, that's the gist of it.
And all this talk about RMGs makes me want to play Battle for Wesnoth.... brb.
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Zeki
Supreme Hero
sup
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posted May 23, 2011 07:31 PM |
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Edited by Zeki at 19:32, 23 May 2011.
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a Davy:
I know, if they haven't did it till now they schouldn't try to make it now for the vanilla.
I just said that they should do onefor expansion or a patch (would be good but unlikely to happen), the only reason not to make this would be lazyness
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Jabanoss
Promising
Legendary Hero
Property of Nightterror™
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posted May 23, 2011 07:36 PM |
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Edited by Jabanoss at 19:38, 23 May 2011.
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All this talk about a RMG makes me want to play Age of Empires. (but then again I always want to play AoE...)
God knows I really want an RMG, but to be frank there has never before been a Heroes game where a RMG has been shipped with the initial release.
And I personally think they did the right thing with doing the Editor first, as that will take longer time to master. Lets just hope they will give as a content patch with the RMG not too long after the release.
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"You turn me on Jaba"
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Zeki
Supreme Hero
sup
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posted May 23, 2011 07:38 PM |
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nah, they won't make it without getting lots of money for it.
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Fauch
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted May 23, 2011 07:53 PM |
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marksman : 30 HPs, 33 defense, 13 magical defense
goblin hunter : 25 HPs, 27 defense, 18 magical defense
sentinel : 26 HPs, 16 defense, 9 magical defense
what?? the sentinel really have less defense than a marksman or a goblin??
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MrDragon
Supreme Hero
Eats people with Ketchup
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posted May 23, 2011 08:02 PM |
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Quote: nah, they won't make it without getting lots of money for it.
You're saying that companies don't make money by giving fans what they want post release?
There's more to earning money of a video game then the initial sales.
PR, support, updates, community interaction are all essential parts of running a good game development company, without it, Blizzard for example wouldn't have fans.
You know the last time they released a patch for Diablo II?
Less then a year ago, that's around 9 years since the last expansion came out for it. 9 YEARS!
It's that kind of support that gets a company fans, and fans = money.
Putting out the RMG as part of a content patch would make fans more likely to buy the Expansions then if the Expansion shipped with the RMG, because the RMG generated faith in the company while the RMG as part of the expansion will to many feel like a cash-grab, thus killing faith in the company.
If they right now announced they would ship the RMG as part of the next expansion, they would even lose sales on the initial game.
Anyway, my point is: creating the RMG, and implementing it in the game will make them money, and the sooner, the better.
The faster they get the RMG out, the better the opinions of the game, the more copies they can sell even post release date.
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Zeki
Supreme Hero
sup
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posted May 23, 2011 08:14 PM |
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sounds reasonable, you've convinced me.
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OmegaDestroyer
Hero of Order
Fox or Chicken?
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posted May 23, 2011 08:27 PM |
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Quote: marksman : 30 HPs, 33 defense, 13 magical defense
goblin hunter : 25 HPs, 27 defense, 18 magical defense
sentinel : 26 HPs, 16 defense, 9 magical defense
what?? the sentinel really have less defense than a marksman or a goblin??
I hope its abilities are awesome.
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The giant has awakened
You drink my blood and drown
Wrath and raving I will not stop
You'll never take me down
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MrDragon
Supreme Hero
Eats people with Ketchup
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posted May 23, 2011 09:03 PM |
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Quote: sounds reasonable, you've convinced me.
Mind you.... sometimes people in PR are stupid, so don't be surprised if my theory ends up being quite different from reality...
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vitorsly
Known Hero
Joker!
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posted May 23, 2011 09:50 PM |
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Edited by vitorsly at 21:52, 23 May 2011.
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my opinion: I WONT BUY THE GAME UNTIL AN RMG COMES!
Believe me! I have heroes 3, 4 and 5 and I NEVER play heroes 4 because the only 2 small maps for 2 players it has are SUPER imbalanced. If anyone PLEASE knows about a H4 RMG available to download free PLEASE tell me!
and I don't know why you guys think the RMG makes maps THAT bad. I mean they might not be preety or MUCH balanced by normal standards but the truth is that the random is the most balanced it can be! Where I live rock-scissors-paper is the most used form to solve conflicts.
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Melindar
Tavern Dweller
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posted May 23, 2011 10:12 PM |
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Quote:
Quote: marksman : 30 HPs, 33 defense, 13 magical defense
goblin hunter : 25 HPs, 27 defense, 18 magical defense
sentinel : 26 HPs, 16 defense, 9 magical defense
what?? the sentinel really have less defense than a marksman or a goblin??
I hope then that the editor will have afunction to change the creatures stats
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Nelgirith
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted May 23, 2011 10:15 PM |
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Quote: marksman : 30 HPs, 33 defense, 13 magical defense
goblin hunter : 25 HPs, 27 defense, 18 magical defense
sentinel : 26 HPs, 16 defense, 9 magical defense
what?? the sentinel really have less defense than a marksman or a goblin??
Don't you think stats would depend on the hero who leads their army ?
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted May 23, 2011 10:32 PM |
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Edited by Elvin at 22:33, 23 May 2011.
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Took a while.
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H5 is still alive and kicking, join us in the Duel Map discord server!
Map also hosted on Moddb
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Fauch
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted May 23, 2011 11:07 PM |
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Edited by Fauch at 23:14, 23 May 2011.
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Quote:
Quote: marksman : 30 HPs, 33 defense, 13 magical defense
goblin hunter : 25 HPs, 27 defense, 18 magical defense
sentinel : 26 HPs, 16 defense, 9 magical defense
what?? the sentinel really have less defense than a marksman or a goblin??
Don't you think stats would depend on the hero who leads their army ?
possible. there is still a big difference between the marksman and the sentinel.
if I deduce the hero's stats for the goblins, it still has 14 defense and 13 magical defense.
I think some of those icons should be changed. I suppose that the icon that has full near it is supposed to show that the unit is a shooter with no range penalty, but I don't get what it is supposed to look like for example???
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted May 23, 2011 11:14 PM |
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Or the screens could be entirely unrelated..
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serptico
Adventuring Hero
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posted May 24, 2011 01:03 AM |
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Im a hardcore RMG user
Yes, i want my RMG to be ingame and in the single scenarios options menu and not in the map editor program. Also, I want options where you can custom ...
1. Creature strenght
2. Artifact accesability
Etc ..
Besides other obvious options like size of map, number of heroes, number of towns, AI personality etc... Just click generate ingame and play.
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Jabanoss
Promising
Legendary Hero
Property of Nightterror™
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posted May 24, 2011 02:01 AM |
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Edited by Jabanoss at 02:03, 24 May 2011.
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You mean options like these?
Yeah I hear ya, but I really doubt we will see a RMG with the release. There are some many other things they "need" to fix and add first. However it pretty much sounded as if they're aiming at releasing it in a patch, so I'm willing to bet that we will see it at least before the first expansion.
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"You turn me on Jaba"
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DoubleDeck
Promising
Legendary Hero
Look into my eyes...
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posted May 24, 2011 09:14 AM |
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Quote: Or the screens could be entirely unrelated..
Yeah, I saw a screenshot where marksmen had 19 might attack and 33 might defense so can't really compare...
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