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blizz
blizz


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of temper grace
posted December 30, 2010 07:08 PM
Edited by blizz at 19:10, 30 Dec 2010.

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If you mean heroes all riding horses, I certainly hope not.
Orcs and Demons should ride something else. Orcs should ride Boars or Rhinos or something. Demons should ride Nightmares at worst or be on foot like in HV, or ride some demonthing.
We already know Knights and Necromacers ride horses. I hope non-humans won't.

Stronghold heroes also seem to be riding horses or at least Sandor does, in gameplay screenshots of stronghold.

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War-overlord
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posted December 30, 2010 07:15 PM

Yes, I noticed that and I have brought it up before. But Sandor is a Human. Likely all other Stronghold heroes are Orcs and I realy hope that they do not ride horses.
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Kenishi
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posted December 30, 2010 07:39 PM

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I'm surprised that after 6 instalments of the series they still stick to the basic unit types of flyer-shooter-walker-caster.

What would you think of introducing some new twists into this system of roles? Do you think that the following examples would add more tactical depth to the battles? Or would they be unnecessary? Maybe overcomplicated?

For example:

"Slow flyers"

Creatures that are not hindered by obstacles, eg. they jump, tunnel, levitate, but cannot be used to zip to the other side of the battlefield and act like anti-shooter units.

For example, a giant TOADthat is bulky and slow, but is jumping a few tiles when moving, ignoring walls and obstacles.

A more limited type of unit could be "climber walkers" that would have their normal movement range as a walker, but could also (passively, not as an activated ability) cross obstacles and walls, just with a reduced movement range.

Would these add more depth to the battle?

Or:
"Flyer interceptor" units

Creatures that serve as anti-aircraft units, intercepting and stopping the path of incoming flyers when they approach the neighbouring tiles or any other "area of control" of the unit.

For example, a giant TOADthat is slow and bulky, but (as a passive ability) pulls flyers out of the air with a sudden shot of its sticky tongue, when they touch the neighbouring tiles. These could be strategically positioned to protect shooters in the back lines

Or:

"Short range shooters"

Shooters with a limited range, being able to shoot only to a certain number of tiles away. These would need to be either used as defensive units, shooting incoming walkers and flyers, or would need to be moved significantly closer to the enemy lines to be useful. (The strike and return ability of some of the actual HOMM units is quite like this)

For example a giant TOAD... for whatever reason

What do you think? Why hasn't some innovation been introduced to the basic movement/attack types so far? Too complicated, or the contrary, unnecessary and uninteresting?

More importantly, why do you think a giant TOAD has not been introduced to the series so far?


   I would love to see some of those creatures, even if not part of a lineup but maybe as neutral, in action ... and indeed creativity and greater diversity for creatures in the game would be welcomed and is something Nightterror and SkrentyzMienty advocate for if i`m not mistaken, and if i recall i read some Q&A in which they promised (the dev. team) that in siege battles we will see some creatures as being able to attack castle walls, and although it doesn't seam much they are taking some steps towards creating more unique and new creatures or giving old ones new and fresh look this also transpires from the available art work of creature line up.
  I guess we will see how much they fiddled with the game and if the direction taken is a better one, when the game will be released (With the current rate they release new news ).

P.S. When thy mentioned that some creatures would be able to attack castle walls i hope they didn't refer only to the Cyclops    
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kodial79
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posted December 30, 2010 08:03 PM

Quite possibly the Juggernauts will also be able to attack castle walls. Oh well, it's not gonna be a new feature of the game or anything important like that, since for both Juggernauts and Cyclopi attacking castle walls will just be their racial abilities. Really, nothing new there, and the way they present it, it looks like they're trying to trick us or something.

Also, it might just be a minor graphical detail to some, but for me it's going to be yet another big step backwards if heroes from all factions are riding on horses. Sandor rides on a sort of zebra kinda like thingie if you closely into it, but if that doesn't count as a horse, I call it a lame and cheap excuse.


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Aatos
Aatos


Adventuring Hero
Heroic Adventurer
posted December 30, 2010 08:26 PM

I think that there should be several dragons which are different from each other in appearance and abilities and which are rare. For example one might based dragon, one magic based dragon, one undead dragon and one walking dragon. I like the mechanical dragon form Heroes 4, the Dragon Golem, it would be good if it would be introduced again.

Or they could make the elementals to be dragons. Fire Dragon, Water Dragon, Air Dragon, Earth Dragon, Light Dragon, Darkness Dragon and Primordial Dragon like the lesser forms of the dragons from the lore, each one looking differently and having different abilities.

It's good that dragons will be bosses in Heroes 6.

It would also be good if heroes would have different mounts, and trails like in Heroes 5. And they could also add different hero models and show the artifacts which they are wearing on the models.

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Tomash
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Hired Hero
posted December 30, 2010 08:36 PM

I just want Black Dragon - mighty, magic-immune dragon. It could be with Nagas (you know, reptiles and stuff) or with Faceless (darkness) or neutral. It's my favourite unit in every Heroes game.
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kodial79
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How'd Phi's Lov't
posted December 31, 2010 08:07 AM
Edited by kodial79 at 08:08, 31 Dec 2010.

Now that I think about it, I wonder if it's gonna look sensical that one creature, the boss, will be able to stand up against an entire army and still provide for a thrilling fight.

Bosses make more sense in 1v1 or at least co-op fights. Unless the Boss has an army of its own, it's gonna look kinda stupid if you have 1000s of core units, 100s of elite units and dozens of champions and as your enemy: 1 dragon.

Hm... Come to think of it, now that we'll be getting advanced classes and more RPG elements and all that rap, you think Heroes will fight bosses by themselves without their army? Even more.... strangely, say for example, they go to explore these narrow ancient catacombs where the boss is lurking in, and they leave their army outside waiting and venture in by themselves? Hacking a few monsters solo before getting to the boss?

Heheh... What a scary thought!


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evinin
evinin


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Servant of Asha
posted December 31, 2010 12:53 PM
Edited by evinin at 12:59, 31 Dec 2010.

Awesome tree. But they are too many females for all of them to be creatures. Some must be heroes. But still - too many blue faces, what's up with that? A naga-genie faction?

Edit: Number 1 and 13 are for sure creatures, they must be the normal creature and it's upgraded version.
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alcibiades
alcibiades


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
posted December 31, 2010 02:37 PM
Edited by alcibiades at 14:49, 31 Dec 2010.

Nice leak. I agree that this pretty much confirms Naga as the new faction, the two units (1 and 13) look awfully much like some sort of waternymph, or at least something waterbased.
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Kenishi
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posted December 31, 2010 02:37 PM
Edited by alcibiades at 10:55, 01 Jan 2011.

The number 1 and 13 icons seem to be base and upgraded version, and give of an aquatic vibe, not so much from 7, and 3 might be the last sister (but no Necro vibe from her), whilst 9 … hem… another very aquatic vibe the skin reminds me of a shark skin with all that gray.
But what I find most interesting is the jewels (especially the nose ring) that 1 and 13 wear is very reminiscent of Indian and country's from Oceania and Southeast Asia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:KarnatakaApsara.jpg

This is not surprising and I belive is a more concrete evidence regarding the 5 Faction, which is Naga

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nāga

and going further with my supposition is the crown that the supposedly upgraded version wears reminds me of the crown worn by traditional Khmer dancers (When looking on Wiki and Google for info I found this Khmer traditional dance - "Sovan Macha" Mermaid & Hanuman coincidence?)

After those Naga pictures developed for H5 I was sure they would go for sino japanese art influence in the design, but this take also presents a unique addition to the HoMM universe … 2011 is so far, or not just 8 hours give or take... so HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

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Elvin
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Endless Revival
posted December 31, 2010 03:53 PM

Something I've had in the back of my mind for a while but never got around to posting. I realize that the lack of updates is driving you crazy and that heated arguments are only natural when faced with conflicting views. But sometimes people cross that line and we don't need that kind of thing. I will have to request that we all keep a more civil tone and cut down a bit on the negativity. We are all part of the community after all, don't ruin the friendly mood. Soon we'll be playing the game and discussing strategies, let's save our passion for that
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xerox
xerox


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Undefeatable Hero
posted December 31, 2010 04:30 PM

Nice. I agree with that you can clearly see that there is a normal and upgraded Naga creature in there (the one with the white hair). In the soundtrack video event thing, we also saw a Naga hero with a blue face.

Cmon now they can just announche the faction for us and give us some basic information.

Everybody already knows its a 99.99% chance that last faction is Naga with some random beasts in it!
Lets just hope they do not go for a Fortress 2.0 concept.

They seem to be more indian/oceanic than japanese/chinese though which I am very disappointed with as the old far eastern concept art of them looked AMAZING and in my opinion, already better than those small little portraits.
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Nelgirith
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posted December 31, 2010 04:42 PM
Edited by Nelgirith at 16:42, 31 Dec 2010.

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but but whats wrong with a little bit of conflict, nobody isnt cursing, people arent 6 yr old girls its not like somebody is gonna cry if others dont agree with her/him.... lighten up a bit, its all cool


Conflicts per se are not an issue but it's getting annoying to read aggressive posts from people who tend to consider that only their opinion matters and others' don't. The worst part being that these people's ideas are most of the time even worse than what they're criticizing

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Xevronixussor
Xevronixussor

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posted December 31, 2010 04:43 PM

Since this artwork is confirmed to be a "leak" and "not fake" its safe to assume that it contains some new info.

The 2 blue-skin ladies indeed look like basic/upgraded versions of a unit - there is a slight chance though that they are different concept arts of someone, or that they represent the same person in different times of the storyline (ie. someone being crowned or something).

Most likely though this is a unit type, which means that they are either from the 5th faction, or neutral.

The ornaments are clearly southeast-asian in design. This means that if it's the 5th faction, it'll have a southeast-asian feel, and if factions are related to terrain types, a jungle/swamp/mangrove etc. theme is only logical.

The blue skin would indicate in my opinion either an aquatic relation, or some relation to highly magical/esoterical. Note that Hindu mythology frequently descripts gods and heroes with blue skin (Rama, Krishna)

The expression on their faces would very likely indicate a good and benevolent alignment - at least it's hard to imagine these faces belonging to evil creatures. Which, after necropolis, demons, orcs would be a logical ballance.

All the other faces are, in my opinion, impossible to interpret so far. (ie. they can be anything from units, heroes, bosses, story characters...)

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Elvin
Elvin


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Endless Revival
posted December 31, 2010 04:52 PM

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You know they wont do this. We just have to hope for more leaks like this one.

I don't think you realize the gravity of the situation. The whole insider forum is in jeopardy because of this and I don't have to tell you why that is a bad thing for everyone..
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War-overlord
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Presidente of Isla del Tropico
posted December 31, 2010 05:02 PM
Edited by War-overlord at 17:03, 31 Dec 2010.

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You know they wont do this. We just have to hope for more leaks like this one.

I don't think you realize the gravity of the situation. The whole insider forum is in jeopardy because of this and I don't have to tell you why that is a bad thing for everyone..


Elvin is right. Due to this leak and the breach of the NDA in doing that. The whole insider/ask-the-fans might be canceled due to this.

And all because somebody could not keep this to him/herself.
Insiders I salute you for your effort and I hope measures taken will not be too draconian.
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kodial79
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How'd Phi's Lov't
posted December 31, 2010 05:34 PM

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Here's some guesses for some unit names of the 5th faction. I woner if any of these will prove to be "hits"

Garuda
Deva
Makara
Asura
Rakshasa




Rakshasas better remain with the academy. But adding to the series for the first time such rare gems of mythological entities as the Garuda, Asura and Deva, would be so absolutely awesome!!!
However, what's the odds?

A minor detail that bugs me:
It might mean nothing but well, you see how every other units revealed so far has a certain background for its pic? Well, the new ones here, they got a white blueish background instead of the greyish one. I don't suppose that means that none of them is units? Nah, probably not. The blueskins are obviously basic and upgrade and no neutral gets upgrades (unless they change that).

I don't understand one thing though. Judging by the pictures there, it seems that more artwork is ready to be presented. So really, why don't they reveal it? What have they got to gain out of this?

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posted December 31, 2010 05:42 PM

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i really dont get whats the big deal with the leak, it at least creates some buzz, how is that bad ? and dismissing ask the fans would be kinda dumb and eventually would hurt only them so why would they consider it at all ?


You obviously do not understand the consquences of signing an NDA.
NDA Read it up. Ubisoft has a highly defendable legal contract with the leak and they are in their full right to sue him/her.
Ubisoft will want to protect their property and in order to do so, they may put heavier restraints on those they let inside, or even shut them out completely.
This is the reality of the business world. We do not live in an anarchic society where everyone can do what they please.


the consequences are obvious to me however regardless of the legal jumbo mumbo, if they wish to take it to trial they need to prove damage in order to get paid for it (in this particular case it would be really ludacris, coz the leak itself shows nearly nothing, hurts them in no manner whatsoever, actually it helps them furthermore since it did create a buzz of some sort, which is hardly what u can say about their marketing skills... better yet about the lack of it) so again, i do understand they have a legal right however it would be a waste of time to actually do smth about it... and limiting or freezing the insiders eventually hurts only them... this is not stealing companies secrets nor leaking songs of the album, these types of leaks are actually helping ubisoft out and with what they've shown so far with their "business skills" they could use all the help in the world.... coz their strategy is kinda pathetic IMO

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Elvin
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Endless Revival
posted December 31, 2010 05:45 PM

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and limiting or freezing the insiders eventually hurts only them...

Or protects them from worse leaks. Would you trust someone who has already leaked your own property?
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kodial79
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How'd Phi's Lov't
posted December 31, 2010 05:59 PM

I agree with Yaeliccc on that. I don't see how the leaked pictures are hurting Ubisoft and Black Hole. What I do see is a lack of official news, which is really frustrating.

I think Ubisoft really suffers from a case of bad marketing. The game was announced in August and I haven't found out till late November. And I wouldn't have known then either, if I wasn't playing King's Bounty: Armored Princess at that time, which made me wanna look through some sites for more info on the game.

There's some serious competitors out there. No scratch that, actually Heroes doesn't stand a chance to be noticed, compared to other that are soon to be released or have recently been released. Diablo III and Cataclysm, to name a couple. So what does Ubisoft do about this? Informs us about a bloody eclipse somewhere...

All of my friends have played Heroes in the past and enjoyed it. All of my friends know Heroes VI is coming out soon, they wouldn't know if I hadn't tell them. None of my friends seem to really care about it. They looked to it, they saw the revealed art and learned random tidbits of information and then went back to playing WoW or talking about how awesome new Diablo is going to be.

What does Ubisoft do to earn them back? Imagine how many others probably don't even know that Heroes VI gets released the coming March. And really, just how many people do you think visit these forums? Let's be kind and say a couple hundred? Even if all of them see those leaked images, just how much damage would that do to Ubisoft?

We need these leaked images. The few of us here who are posting in these forums are the hardcore die-hard fans of the series. Other people don't care so much as us, Ubisoft needs to revive their interest on the game.

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