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Sleeping_Sun
Sleeping_Sun


Promising
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Townscreen Architect
posted December 31, 2010 09:24 PM
Edited by Sleeping_Sun at 21:24, 31 Dec 2010.

I just turned my back and look what happens.
When I looked at the leaked present this is what came to me.

core:
shield-maiden(range; have shield and spears), serpent fly(flyer/melee), blade-guard(melee/caster; 4/6 arms with blades)

elite:
tide priestess(caster/range), medusa(range), basilisk(melee)

champion:
quetzalcoatl(melee/flyer)* maybe a different name but similar in appearance
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maeerol
maeerol


Hired Hero
posted December 31, 2010 11:16 PM
Edited by maeerol at 23:38, 31 Dec 2010.

Here is my pediction for the new faction :

Core :

siren - water virgin/sea maid( melee, wears trident, can make the target confused)
kappa - kappa snapper( melee, bite, stunning the target[15%])
serpentfly - kingcobrafly (melee/flyer/poison)

Elite :

medusa - gorgon lady (ranged/ petrifies the target[15%])
naga - naga geisha(ranged, but when in close combat wears her battle fan )
ninja - shadow walker (melee, wearing two dark katanas/ can hide, like H5 Stalker and assassinate a target, killing at least one)

Champion :

Leviathan - kraken (melee, atacks in all directions, like hydra/ can summon water elementals)

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evinin
evinin


Supreme Hero
Servant of Asha
posted December 31, 2010 11:39 PM

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Here is my pediction for the new faction :

Core :

siren - water virgin/sea maid( melee, wears trident, can make the target confused)
kappa - kappa snapper( melee, bite, stunning the target[15%])
serpentfly - kingcobrafly (melee/flyer/poison)

Elite :

medusa - gorgon lady (ranged/ petrifies the target[15%])
naga - naga geisha(ranged, but when in close combat wears her battle fan )
ninja - shadow walker (melee, wearing two dark katanas/ can hide, like H5 Stalker and assassinate a target, killing at least one)

Champion :

Leviathan - kraken (melee, atacks in all directions, like hydra/ can summon water elementals)


I like the core and elite part but champion can't be Leviathan - too much of a sea creature to fit. And the Kraken is one very different creature.
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vitorsly
vitorsly


Known Hero
Joker!
posted December 31, 2010 11:41 PM

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Lets just hope they do not go for a Fortress 2.0 concept.



Fixed that for you Xerox.
All I want is for them to have the Gorgon and Basilisk and I can die a happy man. But hopefully after I get to play as them.


I think he meant the Dwarves not the REAL swamp fortress about the amount of the same creature all over again.

I would like a faction more like this:
Core:
Lizardman-lizard hunter (like H3) Serpent fly-Dragon fly (also like H3) Fighter-Blademaster (Male naga with swords)
Elite:
Basilisk Rider-Basilisk leaper (a lizardman with a spear riding a basilisk) Gorgon- Medusa (like H3) Pristess-Queen (naga caster)
Champion: Cuotl-Quetzacuotl (giant flying snake)

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Jabanoss
Jabanoss


Promising
Legendary Hero
Property of Nightterror™
posted December 31, 2010 11:48 PM

My improvised "wish" for the 5th faction:

Core
Lizardman (with bow)
Dragon Fly
Giant Toad

Elite
Naga Warrior
Basilisk
Gorgon

Champion
Hydra
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Lichking012
Lichking012


Known Hero
posted January 01, 2011 02:54 AM

Here's my dream line-up

Core
Serpent Fly - Dragon Fly
Lizard Men - Lizard Warrior
Medusa - Medusa Princess
Elite
Naga - Naga Priestess
Gorgon - Mighty Gorgon
Wyvern - Foul Wyvern
Champion
Hydra - Chaos Hydra

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SkrentyzMienty
SkrentyzMienty


Famous Hero
posted January 01, 2011 03:08 AM

My dream faction lineups:

If the faction is an Aquatic one:

CORE:
Murloc
Sea Serpent/Coatl
Water Turtle
ELITE:
Mermaid
Naga
Myrmidon
CHAMPION:
Sea Monster/Leviathan


If the faction is like H3 Fortress (yay):

CORE:
Gnoll
Lizardman
Serpent Fly
ELITE:
Basilisk
Gorgon
Chimera or Waspwort (if Wyvern isn't in the game)
CHAMPION:
Behemoth/Gargantuan (because Hydra is with Dungeon now)

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Jabanoss
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Promising
Legendary Hero
Property of Nightterror™
posted January 01, 2011 03:29 AM
Edited by Jabanoss at 03:40, 01 Jan 2011.

As I was watching some Starcraft 2 replays something just hit me.
Wouldn't it be awesome if you could see the players build orders in the Heroes 6 score-screens?

Since it also seems to be a lot more focus on the hero builds, those could be viewable as well, to see what kind of hero the enemy focused on.
These things would be really great to make Heroes more competitive since it would be easier to learn from the opponents that you face online.

Or what do you think? there could be like one build order for each town or just the primary. And for the heroes only for the primary or whatever fits the best.
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Omnipotence
Omnipotence


Hired Hero
posted January 01, 2011 03:41 AM

I personally am a huge fan of this from starcraft II. As you said, it provides the opportunity to learn and adapt to the game from the other players. Even if all it is is opening your eyes to a new way of doing things, it can really help. Also, as a new online player in SC2, I found it very helpful in getting myself caught up to the way online is played by seeing what the opponent did when and etc.
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mamgaeater
mamgaeater


Legendary Hero
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posted January 01, 2011 04:09 AM
Edited by mamgaeater at 04:16, 01 Jan 2011.

Well a leak is a leak, since it's already out I'd be expecting some sort of official response coming soon. (for good or for bad). I doubt that they will just slide this under the rug. Because most likely, it messed up their plans. From the fact they've been withholding information, I was expecting something big (I was also expecting it to be released on the fourth of January. but that's just my speculation.)

But it's already out there, the game's been started. The ball is on the field and somebody has to do something.


And build orders are a wonderful idea Jabanoss.

edit: And it does hurt Ubisoft, All that money that was going towards marketing has been somewhat wasted. what point is there in planning out and developing anticipation if some bozo goes along telling everybody everything? It's like holding a surprise birthday party for your sister but then somebody goes off an tells her... everything they've been doing has been done for a reason.

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Kenishi
Kenishi


Famous Hero
passed out drunk in Tavern's
posted January 01, 2011 09:41 AM
Edited by Kenishi at 09:42, 01 Jan 2011.

Regarding the whole leak matter:

Suppose that BH works is something similar to the work that Bill Roper described which goes like this until the game is balanced and ironed out the entire game is just points dot and line and then comes the skin (here the models and units), now insiders get some art work or additional info to see the reaction (I see them as like the pre-airing done in some cinemas for audience response) and some units and features are kept or dismissed ...  and then a leak happens … and we have the following situations

Above all, the agreement of NDA is a truest of the Publisher and Developer with a group of people, from which both have something to gain the first one delivers a more fan approved game sells the product makes money and continues the franchise, the second one get to be involved in the development of the game and see it not going down the drain in a horrible way.

Suppose average Joe who might or might not had seen or played a Heroes games looks up the info because he liked the trailer or the buzz in the media he likes, so he sees that one of the units is a pink hanging plat, and love it he always wanted to see a unit like that and decides to per-order the game , so Average Joe opens the game he per-ordered and starts playing and to his shock and disappointment there’s no pink hanging plant … he’s angry he wants his money back and wastes money energy and get`s  frustration he swears never to buy a game from the same publisher ever again and goes further he sues the publisher because he wanted and saw the pink hanging plant but it’s not in the final product and sues for mental  distress, and all because of a leaked info.

I know this is an unlikely supposition but when they give you that NDA they have to keep this in mind and be protected.

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Ahh how romantic! THat poor guy sacrificed his life to give us fans a happy christmas with new info!

That guy is my hero!


ROMANTIC are you kidding, he was just a smuck who had access to the info and said to himself “Wouldn`t it be fun to post it but not really obvious and see the heat it creates”, he was just not thinking it through and the consequents.

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Eugene_Xaar
Eugene_Xaar


Hired Hero
posted January 01, 2011 10:06 AM

To tell the truth the fifth fraction still since Heroes 5 secret Polichinelle. Fraction Sanctuary and Naga have been drawn not casually. Them and so all wait.
[url=http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/eugene_xaar/rubric/1284866/]Sanctuary[/url]

And what before information leakage — that it is possible to learn on an incomplete portrait of the character? Without details it is all only warms up interest. Who is who? Who is Hero, and who is soldier? Who is elemental, and who is neutral?

You have learned it for certain? No!

I still wrote two years ago that Neñropolis will be in style of Êings of Tombs and what?
[url=http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/eugene_xaar/post91434515/]Necropolis[/url]

There was no Yet an image and descriptions of beings my assumptions meant nothing.

And now — Look — communities have again revived. The set of assumptions expresses. There is a dialogue. People look forward.

Knowingly condemn a man for nothing. He did not say anything.
It is no more than occurrence of Orks not on an official site.

Sorry for bad English

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kodial79
kodial79


Promising
Supreme Hero
How'd Phi's Lov't
posted January 01, 2011 10:17 AM

Well, you're wrong in this supposition.

Firstly, there's no buzz in the media about Heroes VI and the Average Joe is not even aware the game is going to be released in 3 months from now.

Secondly, the Average Joe would be pissed off more to see the game not containing what he thought he would (when compared to previous games of the series) due to the LACK of information prior to releasing the game, and what little information is there, not circulating around very well.

See, how many potential customers know Heroes VI is coming out? A certain number of them. How many have seen the trailer? Fewer. How many have seen the revealed artwork? Even fewer. How many have read the Q&A's giving info on the game? Even fewer. And your Average Joe does not belong in that group.

He would see the trailer on Youtube by chance, if even that. He would buy the game after he accidentally bumps on it in a video game store, assuming that he wasn't going for something more specific. And then he would be pissed off and want his money back because for example, the game only  has 5 factions. It was explained in the Q&A, but ofcourse the Average Joe, did not find it and did not read it.

Certainly, he would not be pissed off because he saw some low resolution artwork close-up on faces on a Christmas Tree and then he couldn't locate them anywhere in the game's models.


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Nelgirith
Nelgirith


Promising
Supreme Hero
posted January 01, 2011 10:43 AM
Edited by Nelgirith at 10:44, 01 Jan 2011.

Tbh, these leaks aren't major, I mean it's only some stupid pictures and if Ubisoft still hasn't understood that we want some concrete infos by now, then they are even stupider than I thought they were - and knowing that I rank Ubisoft as the #2 of the worst game publishers/developpers (right after Electronic Arts), you can imagine what I think about them.

They've been feeding us for 4 and a half monthes with useless artworks and the answers to our real questions are "we'll tell you later" or "we're not ready to announce this yet". My interest in H6 has been fading over time to the point where I don't really care anymore - there are other games with less "stingy" communication policy. Let's just hope H6 won't be as bad as Ubisoft's retarded communication policy.

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Eugene_Xaar
Eugene_Xaar


Hired Hero
posted January 01, 2011 10:56 AM

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That's what I'm talking about, they seriously can't expect the fans who dissected the Xmas tree to be surprised about getting a Naga faction.

Very impressive page by the way, but why is the Heroes Kingdom picture of the Naga crossed out next to the Faceless? I hope male Naga units will look like that instead of the Warcraft route with the men being more amphibian looking.


There there is a question sign.

And as to that to Heroes 6 there is no interest at players. In Russian community it at all so!

I can specify about 20 various Russian communities on which there is brisk discussion Heroes 6.

Russian game magazines aren't silent! I can lay out screenshots from 3-4 leading magazines on which pages already some numbers are paid attention Heroes 6.

On it time is required and I don't know, whether it will be lawful, but I repeat — I can.

Also that is remarkable — «Ãåðîéñêèé óãîëîê» — http://heroes.ag.ru/ — and its founder LaBoule is the main source of the information.

Kill its and Russian admirers remain without eyes and ears: (

Not a secret that Russian players have bought 1 250 000 license copies Heroes 5. And it 3 years ago!
http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/eugene_xaar/post91434148/

And it in our country of pirates and torrents

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Xevronixussor
Xevronixussor

Tavern Dweller
posted January 01, 2011 11:25 AM

As for all the 5th faction lineup ideas: I seriously doubt that it'd be like these Fortress rewamps, with all the gorgons, serpent flies, lizardmen etc., since in this case the developers would clearly not deliver their promise of a brand new faction.

I guess that such a Fortress remake would be extremely heavily criticised (even on these forums) for not being innovative. I'd be very surprised if there was more than maybe 1 of the old fortress creatures included.

Also, if they go for a Southeast-Asian theme (which is, of course, only a theory now), it would be strange if they used creatures from completely different mythologies. For example, a Quetzalcoatl is highly unlikely especially in light of the Orc faction already having some Mesoamerican design.

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torin856
torin856


Hired Hero
posted January 01, 2011 04:18 PM

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I hope so. I hope this was a calm before a storm of new info 'Cause I dunno how much more I can take

I have a feeling that storm might just be a drizzle upon the scarched desert that is the news feed... That is, unless their new year's resolution was to actually inform the public


I am sure we still wont get all available infos directly from Ubi. It seems that they don't like to bother with the whole community. They'll give info to their blue-eyed boys and they'll give us if they think so. Luckily they mostly think so.
For me it's still nonsense that the best information source about a mainstream game from a mainstream publisher is a Chinese webpage with scans from for example Polish magazines.
You need best quality screenshots? Go to the Chinese page! Because the official source (facebook, lol) gives them in bad quality and of course it hasn't got all of the "official" screenshots.
You need all of the infos? Just translate the Chinese site! Or go through thousands of comments on a fanforum.

3-4 months and the game is here, and the official website is still a joke (an embedded facebook page, seriously?).

The only thing we got in the best quality from Ubi are the unit artworks. Thanks for them!

I really hope your thoughts about the resolution will become the truth.

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Ylthina
Ylthina


Adventuring Hero
Woman of a thousand faces
posted January 01, 2011 04:26 PM

Seriously I don't understand why the comunity has to little info. With that little time left you'd think people would know more and be hiped up. It's the same with advertising. I for one found out that HOMM6 is being deloped by sheer luck, I was searching for something for HOMM5 and just randomly came across some artwork. If not for that, I still would have no idea that any of this is happening. How many of you came across HOMM6 by accident?
Shouldn't they do something at least about that?

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kodial79
kodial79


Promising
Supreme Hero
How'd Phi's Lov't
posted January 01, 2011 04:33 PM

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Seriously I don't understand why the comunity has to little info. With that little time left you'd think people would know more and be hiped up. It's the same with advertising. I for one found out that HOMM6 is being deloped by sheer luck, I was searching for something for HOMM5 and just randomly came across some artwork. If not for that, I still would have no idea that any of this is happening. How many of you came across HOMM6 by accident?
Shouldn't they do something at least about that?


Me too, as I explained in a previous post in this thread. I was looking for information on King's Bounty: Armored Princess and thought to visit Celestial Heavens for it, and then I saw a few headlines about Heroes VI.

That was late November, and if not for that, I would still not have known. I could see me walking to a video game store, to buy Diablo III when it's released and stand dumbfounded staring at the already long released Heroes VI game.

That's how FAIL their marketing is.
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War-overlord
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Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
posted January 01, 2011 05:33 PM

Concerning the marketing:

What some of you not seem to realise, or are in denial of, is that marketing is a simple matter of cost vs. benefit.
Heroes of Might and Magic always has and always will be a niche-product. And in catering to a nice-market, they have on the one side a very dedicated following. On the other side they have the general market. Heroes of Might and Magic, and the Might and Magic franchise, will never be as big as say Rayman, or Assasins Creed to name a few of Ubisofts highselling products.

In many cases, the dedicated followers are aware of the products and do not need a large marketing campaign to be made aware of the new to-be-released product. Whatever fan is not aware of it immediately, will be made aware through mouth-to-mouth advertising eventually.

Then there is the general market. In a large ammount of the cases, the general market will not be at all interested in the niche-product. A few people may be won over, after hearing or seeing it, but they will not be many.

Then there is marketing. Marketing is a good way of adressing the general market, as it will in general not be nesecary to market for the niche-market who already know of the product.
But here is the catch, the customers won by marketing a nich-product will never be much. The greater the marketing, the greater the new customers, surely. But those new customers, again, will only be a tiny portion of the entire customer base. Most customers were already a part of the niche-market to begin with.

Now here comes the Cost vs. Benefit part. The amount of sales generated by extensive marketing, will not differ very much from the amount of sales generated with minimum marketing. So there is very little benefit, for a costly marketing campaign. If ubisoft simply gives a shout out to the fansites, the reach 90% or more of their total market already.

Lastly, Ubisoft is making Heroes of Might and Magic VI. Their main objective in this is to generate profit. Not doing us the fans, a favor. The catering to the fans is part of the development, but it is a means to reach the goal of profit. Keep this in mind.
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