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Zenofex
Zenofex


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Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
posted January 03, 2011 08:46 AM
Edited by Zenofex at 08:51, 03 Jan 2011.

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And about the marketing strategy: Read the bold part. I think is perfect how they are doing it. They are doing exactly the same that the new Mortal Kombat and Guild Wars 2 and other games are doing with the slow pace of reveals and ocasionally leaks. Some people can think that they could do a better marketing strategy, but in fact this ones are the most affected by the strategy. The seek of flaws makes the expectation grow without noticing it
This is nothing more than a conspiracy theory and makes little sense. We are not advertising their product for them, we have nothing to advertise. I made a topic in another forum about Heroes VI shortly after the game was announced and updated it... twice. Once when we were given most of the concept arts of the first 3 factions and one more time when Stronghold was (half-) revealed. That's all. You can say that I am advertising it just as successfully as they are advertising it. Now how exactly some "ranting" will further increase their sales is beyond me and I have studied some marketing among other things.
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When you dedicate a lot of time to discuss a game, you will end up as a client or you are loosing a lot of time.
Or as a downloader of a pirated copy. Or as someone who is interested in the game but will wait for some of his friends to buy it and then take it from him. Or as someone who just likes discussions on topics which are interesting to him and Heroes happens to be one of them. Or as someone who wants to know what the new owner of the brand is doing with his favourite game and wants to be aware what is the future of the series. Or... I think you are getting my drift.

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Lokheit
Lokheit


Known Hero
posted January 03, 2011 11:10 AM

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Actually you can see how many guests (which means non registered users) this forum has at any given time. You can also see how many people like their facebook page. And they are not many.





My point was that you won't see them even as guests. They dont's use to navigate forums. A lot of people isn't used to that despite how natural you and me can find that.

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I save my words and will let you see for yourself. We'll be here both of us, when the wikipedia article will be updated in March to talk about the poor reception and sales of the game. Unless big changes will be made in their marketing strategies.


For what I'm seeing overal, this game is going to be more popular than HOMM 4 and 5, maybe not as much as 3 (probably close), but HOMM 3 is sustained by an untouchable mytical aura of good and classic memories, so isn't fair to compare the game with it.

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Now how exactly some "ranting" will further increase their sales is beyond me and I have studied some marketing among other things.



As the bold part says, it's really dificult (nearly impossible)to realize it when you're the victim of that, but the fact is that you're still here even if you think the game is going to be bad.

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Or as a downloader of a pirated copy. Or as someone who is interested in the game but will wait for some of his friends to buy it and then take it from him.


Good luck with online play . And when a game is so cheap (at least in Spain the last HOMM costed less than 1/3 of what a regular game costs on its realease) there is no point in downloading when you can have an original version without any problem to play online at a low price.

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Zenofex
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Kreegan-atheist
posted January 03, 2011 11:47 AM

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As the bold part says, it's really dificult (nearly impossible)to realize it when you're the victim of that, but the fact is that you're still here even if you think the game is going to be bad.

And I thought that I'm still here because I'm interested in what the other people think about this and that, Heroes-related, but not necessarily regarding Heroes VI. But I guess you and the Ubisoft masterminds know better.
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Good luck with online play . And when a game is so cheap (at least in Spain the last HOMM costed less than 1/3 of what a regular game costs on its realease) there is no point in downloading when you can have an original version without any problem to play online at a low price.
Heroes has always been more of a single-player game and some people just prefer not to pay for various reasons. These were nothing more than examples anyway. If you want, I can give you more, but I don't think that it is really necessary as you can imagine a few situations yourself if you stop with this "they are using a super-complex mind trick on you and you will ultimately buy the game".

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Lokheit
Lokheit


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posted January 03, 2011 12:32 PM
Edited by Lokheit at 12:35, 03 Jan 2011.

Oh, I don't think this is a super complex mind trick. As I said, I think it's a great strategy because is the strategy that a lot of succesfull games are using this year. If it works enough to be used this much by many different companies that makes their own marketing studies, it has to be a good strategy.

Anyway I don't want to extend the discussion, but this forum is to discuss news, I just made a comment some pages ago and I was responded, but that's all. Now I want to focus again on the search for news

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Yaeliccc
Yaeliccc


Known Hero
Undead, but warm and fuzzy
posted January 03, 2011 12:40 PM

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Oh, I don't think this is a super complex mind trick. As I said, I think it's a great strategy because is the strategy that a lot of succesfull games are using this year. If it works enough to be used this much by many different companies that makes their own marketing studies, it has to be a good strategy.

Anyway I don't want to extend the discussion, but this forum is to discuss news, I just made a comment some pages ago and I was responded, but that's all. Now I want to focus again on the search for news


ur clueless marketing wise, pick any successful game, research the marketing buzz it created prior to release, compare it to homm6 and u'll see a huge FAIL written all over... and thats why we are ranting coz we will buy the game but we want millions of others to do so as well, coz that will promise the continuation of the franchise

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Zenofex
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Kreegan-atheist
posted January 04, 2011 11:42 AM
Edited by Zenofex at 11:48, 04 Jan 2011.

It's not just another (and definitely not random) thread. There seems to be some movement indeed. But youtube? What the hell?!

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War-overlord
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Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
posted January 04, 2011 12:05 PM

And considering the horrible horrible quality of the vids and the fact that he looks like someone I used to know and burningly hate. I realy can't be bothered to watch what he has to say.
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deadace
deadace


Adventuring Hero
posted January 04, 2011 12:22 PM

I sure as hell hope they don't listen to this guy! If they do, we can be sure that they'll remove the spikes on the goblins boomerang, since obviously that doesn't make sense in a real world.. jesus fracking christ, it's FANTASY!!!

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Danny
Danny


Famous Hero
posted January 04, 2011 12:43 PM

I guess they are doing this so they can honor a few more hardcore fans like the Gamescom VIP thing and all, but surely they don't expect dozens of videos to be filmed. Hopefully the video Q&A will still appear soon and they will answer questions asked on FB and forums as well.

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Elvin
Elvin


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Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
posted January 04, 2011 11:03 PM

I tried to listen to that guy on youtube but I simply couldn't. Not only is the quality bad but at times he is killing me.

How would the boomerang return if it gets lodged onto an opponent due to the spikes?
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KingImp
KingImp


Famous Hero
posted January 05, 2011 12:46 AM

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I tried to listen to that guy on youtube but I simply couldn't. Not only is the quality bad but at times he is killing me.


Same here. That was just painful to listen to.

It's pretty sad that the devs used that as an example of giving good feedback. It's as if they don't understand the concept of message boards anymore. If it's not on Facebook, Twitter, or YouTube, then it's not worth paying attention to in their eyes.

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Elvin
Elvin


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Endless Revival
posted January 05, 2011 10:21 AM

Some of the things he wrote on the description that got to me.

.The look of the units is quite odd: There are units like that just seem to be big and bulky and then others that and thin and fast. They just seem to be adding contrived balances in the units for no reason.

.Inferno doesn't have Devils anymore. If Haven have angels than Inferno should have Devils.

.Vampires seem to be on a higher tier than Lich's. That's stupid.

.The hero customization sounds like it's all talk and no walk.

.Units like Juggernaut and Death Weaver look silly and seem just like random inserts to suit a certain situation. Where's the magic and diversity. They have a small fast demon so they automatically put in a strong slow demon. It's disheartening.

.The upgrades of the lower tier creatures just seem to be darker, brighter and spikier versions and not something different. Good examples; Beholders to Evil Eyes - Basilisk to Greater Basilisk.

.The looks of the creatures seem too, World Of Warcrafty and not dark and bleak like in Heroes III.

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Sleeping_Sun
Sleeping_Sun


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Famous Hero
Townscreen Architect
posted January 05, 2011 01:06 PM

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And Xhane said this was insightful to Ubi? You've got to be kidding me! This is just a matter of taste. Personally, I disagree with every single statement of those mentioned above. People like him just want a Heroes III remake and nothing more. He could save us time by just saying that.
I agree with you. Also, I am becoming tired of all negative criticism of H6 like:
"I don't want Stronghold for 4th faction I don't like it (that doesn't mean that everyone has the same opinion as you). I want Sylvan and now I won't buy the game. What were they thinking..."

"this unit looks fat and I want to be thin..."

"Units like Juggernaut and Death Weaver look silly and seem just like random inserts to suit a certain situation. Where's the magic and diversity. They have a small fast demon so they automatically put in a strong slow demon. It's disheartening."
- On the contrary, Death Weaver fits perfectly in Necropolis as champion unit. What he said for H6 I can say for H3 Dungeon. There are just inserted random creatures and where is the thing which binds them all together!? Well there isn't a single thing, they just look cool all together...
And about diversity H6 is changing roughly 40% - 50% of the creatures and he asks where is diversity!!!!???? Someone is really intellectually limited and he SHOULD get some help asap.

"The upgrades of the lower tier creatures just seem to be darker, brighter and spikier versions and not something different. Good examples; Beholders to Evil Eyes - Basilisk to Greater Basilisk."
"The looks of the creatures seem too, World Of Warcrafty and not dark and bleak like in Heroes III."
These statements are contradictory by them selves so I won't waste my time to discuss about them...
I only agree that vampire is warcrafty but nothing else!!!

There are many of them on the forums and I covered only few newer ones. And these are the reasons that I don't wan't fans to have great impact on developers because they can only ruin the game (well, not all fans, but most of them...). They will ask what they want and if their comments are like these than they can only ruin the game for other people. Especially if they want H3 with better graphics then entire franchise is better to vanish than repeating previous games(regardless of being better or worse).


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Elvin
Elvin


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Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
posted January 05, 2011 01:14 PM

That was one of the faults of the ubi H5 wishlist, just about everyone posted his suggestions regardless of whether they were realistic or not. Anyways ubi has been checking the forums for a few years now so they have a good idea of things, not like they'd be suddenly swayed by a few dozens of youtube videos(assuming we even get as many).

However feedback is feedback and they appreciate it, if enough people want something they will consider it. If not for the original game then for the near future.
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deadace
deadace


Adventuring Hero
posted January 05, 2011 01:35 PM
Edited by deadace at 13:37, 05 Jan 2011.

My opinion to UbiHole:

How come the castle of haven is so small, there is no way the hero can live in that, Also, where are all the other people in the city, I don't see any walking around, clearly the whole city would decay when the hero is out adventuring and no one is there to keep the place nice and tidy!

another thing, in this picture:
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs639.snc4/59900_153843627973713_151871054837637_367204_3223843_n.jpg
Unless the hero is a giant, I won't buy the game if he gets extra movement by collecting those boots! there is no way he would be able to fit them on his feet!

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deadace
deadace


Adventuring Hero
posted January 05, 2011 03:09 PM
Edited by deadace at 15:09, 05 Jan 2011.

Wow, never thought we would see the day! Lets hope this goes for Heroes VI aswell:

http://www.bluesnews.com/s/117365/ubisoft-confirms-drm-changes

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KingImp
KingImp


Famous Hero
posted January 05, 2011 05:05 PM

Here's one thing I definitely would love to see return from Heroes 3. Added damage if a creature is considered a mortal enemy. If you don't remember how it worked basically it was like this. If say an Angel attacked a Devil, since they were considered mortal enemies of each other, then they would do 150% damage.

This was the list of mortal enemies in Heroes 3
Angel/Archangel - Devil/Arch Devil
Genie/Master Genie - Efreet/Efreet Sultan
Giant/Titan - Black Dragon

Now granted I'd like to see more matchups than just those three, but it's something I loved in H3 and want to see make a comeback.

I'm sure it's too far into development to add such a feature if it isn't already in, but I just wanted to put it out there in case anyone of authority was watching and might like the idea.

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MarceS
MarceS


Hired Hero
posted January 06, 2011 12:57 PM
Edited by MarceS at 13:03, 06 Jan 2011.

Hy guys!

I've been playing Heroes since H2, but I admit, that the coming of H6 is pretty new to me While i was readint all the infos on the net I found many Tube videos, and topics about the beta. I did take part in H5 beta and it would be epic if i could take part in this as well.

The problem is that the links were torrent links, and such, so i think its not yet official.

Do u know anything about this?

1 more thing. Is there a post, or anything that contains the creatures abilities as well?

THX a lot
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admira
admira


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Famous Hero
posted January 06, 2011 01:08 PM

I failed to remember where I read those or whether I hallucinate about those but is this how the town building's dwelling do?
There are still 7 kinds of buildings and upgrades respectively in which you need to build. Each building add number to their corresponding pool and "unlock" the creature (or "unlock" the upgrade in case of upgrading the building).

Let say you build Skeleton dwelling, it add 10 Core for weekly growth and unlock the Skeleton to be built. next day, you build Ghoul Dwelling that add 10 core to weekly growth and unlocking Ghoul so at that day, you have 20 Core pool as well as Skeleton (without upgrade) and Ghoul (without upgrade) to be recruited but you are not yet able to recruit ghost since you haven't build the building.

Don't ask me about the source ok Either I forgot or just daydreaming about this method

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Elvin
Elvin


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Endless Revival
posted January 06, 2011 01:09 PM

@MarceS
Afraid nothing official yet

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The bad thing is, that there will be probably be one building for recruiting all core units, one building for elite ones and one building for champion (yet worst case scenario is one building for the lot of them). With the magic guilds gone too, with creature dwellings shrinking, we're gonna have the worst Town Screens in the series yet. I don't even dare to imagine how many other classic town buildings have been taken out too.

I really hope I'm wrong on that.


You can rest easy, dwellings are separate.

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