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Jabanoss
Jabanoss


Promising
Legendary Hero
Property of Nightterror™
posted January 09, 2011 02:04 AM
Edited by Jabanoss at 02:07, 09 Jan 2011.

I had hoped for a Swamp faction. This is just what I feared, a boring water line-up. I will need to see it's town and true environment first before I can call it a "water faction" however.
So most of the units are too "ocean-based" for my taste, so I wont need to mention that when I review them...

The Kappa is really cool, far better then most of the others.(even if he look a little bit stupid with a birdbath in his head )
I hope he will use his tongue when attacking.

Shark Warrior is cool for being a humanoid warrior. It is okay but it is too much "fish for me". like the barnacles on the club though

I think Adrius put it rather nicely when it comes to the Coral Maiden. It is just a boring racial caster . I wonder if they made it look like a Medusa to disappoint us or if it is actually supposed to be a Medusa, in any case I don't like it...

Spring Spirit are you kidding me? A water elemental?
this BETTER have some awesome animation or abilities if I'm going to be happy with it

Wave Warrior is AWESOME! YAY! this one together with the Kappa is the best in this boring line-up

Snow Maiden...
read what I wrote about the spring spirit. That is pretty much what I think of this unit. However since it is ice and snow, will the Nagas really live in tropical islands or just that they have these units anyway..?

the Kirin s really cool
like the tail it has. Don't really know what Adrius talks about, how many high leveled lizards have we had?


Overall the symbol is cool, but when only 4/7 units are cool it's definitely a for me
Why couldn't they have more creatures, and have it more land-based
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Lokheit
Lokheit


Known Hero
posted January 09, 2011 02:05 AM

I like the designs, specially the male naga warrior and the kirin (and knowing previously what a Kirin was thanks to other games and previous research, I found that one very interesting).

As I said some of them seem to be unfinished artwork, like the river spirit not having gold color like when we saw her in the tree, by I like all the elites and champions.

I like the cores but less than the elites, and I really expect this one naimed coral maiden ends up actually being a medusa.

The only thing that is really weird is seeing that silly look on the eyes of the Kappas and then looking that not only they don't have brain on their open heads, but they have water instead :S :S

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SwampLord
SwampLord


Supreme Hero
Lord of the Swamp
posted January 09, 2011 02:06 AM
Edited by SwampLord at 02:09, 09 Jan 2011.

Yeah, the emphasis on water over swamp/jungle is a little disappointing but I can't really complain about the artistic choice; it looks quite good overall. The best way I can put it though is that it seems to be less than the sum of its parts.

Lysander, it's jungle, which means it is of necessity tropical. While the faction theme isn't tropical, their terrain is which means having ice and snow units is a little weird.

Oh, and, no tribute to Fortress in any way has me disappointed again. Three games and we still can't get a bone thrown to us? C'mon, Ubi!
I would hope for a swamp faction in an expansion, but with Academy, Sylvan and Dungeon missing that's not very likely.
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Xerox
Xerox


Promising
Undefeatable Hero
posted January 09, 2011 02:13 AM

yeah they may have gone tooooo far with the aquatic theme as jungle is supposed to be their terrain

I also have a little bit of a hard time imagining Sharkmen and basically, female Ice elementals wandering around in the tropical jungle with a billion trees.
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Astromidas
Astromidas


Hired Hero
posted January 09, 2011 02:17 AM

Hmm, interesting. This what I think of the creatures:

Kappa - Kappa Shoya This is my favorite creature in the Naga lineup as it's a good concept but what does Shoya mean? I would actually like if it could have a english word for the upgrade.

Shark Warrior - Shark Captain Looks cool and original.

Coral Maiden - Pearl Maiden Like the creature and is really a medusa or gorgon so why not call it that to have some relation to the former Heroes games?

Spring Spirit - River Spirit It is good to have a water creature to give some variation to the reptile-like ones.

Wave Warrior - Tide Warrior It's cool but has a little bit to much samurai elements to their armor and feels like a Naga with samurai armor instead of a armor from their unique culture that is based on Japanese culture. But the name is good I think.

Snow Maiden - Ice maiden This is bad. It is basically the Coral Maiden that have just left the freezer and the name is too similar.

Kirin - Cloudwalker Kirin It's a dragon and they are always cool and the design is good.


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Jabanoss
Jabanoss


Promising
Legendary Hero
Property of Nightterror™
posted January 09, 2011 02:20 AM

I can sense that my Nightterror-gene is starting to kick in.
This is a complete Warcraft effect, goddammit! Why, why did they have to make them water-based? Why?

Words can describe how disappointed I am in this.

Man I imagine them as this most awesome faction in the middle of the jungle with Indonesian/Cambodian style.
With the coolest jungle creature ever.
How I am disappointed.
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SwampLord
SwampLord


Supreme Hero
Lord of the Swamp
posted January 09, 2011 02:24 AM

I really do wish they had gone for a more jungle-oriented style overall (like the Kappa) but maybe we can get a swamp faction at some point? Possibly? Perhaps? We can pray.
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Jabanoss
Jabanoss


Promising
Legendary Hero
Property of Nightterror™
posted January 09, 2011 02:27 AM
Edited by Jabanoss at 02:28, 09 Jan 2011.

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We can pray.

I'm not religious, but this is worth praying for...


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LichKing012
LichKing012


Known Hero
posted January 09, 2011 02:28 AM

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yeah they may have gone tooooo far with the aquatic theme as jungle is supposed to be their terrain I also have a little bit of a hard time imagining Sharkmen and basically, female Ice elementals wandering around in the tropical jungle with a billion tree


I completely agree, this is in essence 90% of my problem with this faction its to "nautical" and except for the toad, rive spirit (which I have issues with for other reasons), and kirin, it doesn't feel like these creatures belong in a jungle. For some of them it's the name that doesn't fit more than the ACTUAL UNIT, like CORAL/PEARL maiden, or even the Wave/Tide Warrior (Seriously why not just call it a naga?)But for others (lookin at you shark boy and ice girl) they just flat out don't fit at all.

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Lokheit
Lokheit


Known Hero
posted January 09, 2011 02:29 AM

Looking like there are going to be at least 3 "mystic" units probably designed to game control on that faction, I can see the same thing that I saw with Heroes 4: The factions are a litle Magic The Gathering oriented.

-Haven: Knights, Healing and Defense = White
-Necropolis: Undead, Hexing, Reanimation and Life Stealing = Black
-Inferno: Hit Hard and Fast, Offensive Orientation, Destructive Magic = Red
-Stronghold: Big Beasts, Wild Creatures = Green
-Sanctuary: Water Theme, Game Control = Blue

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blighboy
blighboy


Hired Hero
posted January 09, 2011 02:48 AM
Edited by blighboy at 02:51, 09 Jan 2011.

I'm kind of eh. I don't know much about eastern mythology, and I really think the ice maiden is unnecessary. If they were going to make it water based, I would have preferred maybe a larger variety than just snake looking people and people looking people. Something like a kraken or hippocampi or mermaid. Though I guess that's too western.

Also, isn't the kirin technically a dragon? I thought we weren't getting dragons as units.

EDIT: Actually, looking back at the pictures, I really warmed up to the ice maiden, or at least her design, if not the idea of an ice creature in a water faction. Any way, I would have wanted to take out either her or the water elemental. Too similar.
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Tomofob
Tomofob


Hired Hero
posted January 09, 2011 02:49 AM

I don't get why people don't like the new castle, I like some of the graphic designs (including medusas and snowy/icy ladies), for my personal opinion I would wait until the full 3D animations are released, plus the overall theme of the city itself, composing with the units (maybe heroes look cool?)

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Aosaw
Aosaw


Promising
Famous Hero
Author of Nonreal Fiction
posted January 09, 2011 03:21 AM
Edited by Aosaw at 03:23, 09 Jan 2011.

I like the Kappa, and I actually like the spring/river spirit.  I would say that the spring spirit is what the radiant glory ought to look like (i.e. the spring spirit works and the glory doesn't, so they ought to have rethought the glory).

I'm curious to see what happens with the animation.  All of these units look very cartoonish, in a way that the art-style for the four existing factions isn't cartoonish at all, and that concerns me.  I don't mind a change of flavor, but if the new faction has a completely different rendering then that's not good.  I can only assume that the leaked images are early renditions of the units, yet to be polished in the way that the images for Inferno, necropolis, haven, and stronghold are.  That may be why Ubisoft doesn't want these images being leaked - it creates an early stigma about a faction that is still a work in progress.

Also, are we 100% sure that the Sanctuary is going to be in a Jungle terrain?  I seem to recall a brief glimpse of a blue-skinned hero traveling in snowy terrain.  Maybe they've reconsidered the Sanctuary's location, and are placing it in the snow?

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LichKing012
LichKing012


Known Hero
posted January 09, 2011 03:36 AM

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Also, are we 100% sure that the Sanctuary is going to be in a Jungle terrain?  I seem to recall a brief glimpse of a blue-skinned hero traveling in snowy terrain.  Maybe they've reconsidered the Sanctuary's location, and are placing it in the snow?


well the Kappa and Kirin don't make much sense in ice. Plus in the demo, the WATER DRAGON was in the jungle, so I would think that that indicates that the jungle is for nagas, plus if the H6 map on the website, the likely Naga kingdom is an island in the south. Generally ice factions are in the north.

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Deathy
Deathy


Known Hero
Angels Galore
posted January 09, 2011 03:40 AM

well, somewhat positive feelings overall about the last faction.

Kappa was surprise but pretty fitting and good looking unit overall.

Shark Warriors are your basic fish turned into walkers with massive club.

Coral Maidens are Medusas with different name, tho art is nice looking.

Spring Spirits do kinda look like Glorys but i liked Glorys myself in the first place so not too much complaining from here.

Tide Warrior's are generic male Naga's, good art however.

Snow Maiden's i like myself, and not TOO much similar to other two blue ladies. whether Ice belongs to this faction or not is good question but i can live with it since it's more of a water faction than jungle.

Kirin's are good looking and walking dragon(?) from Asian myths is something that should have been in this game series ages ago.

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Omnipotence
Omnipotence


Hired Hero
posted January 09, 2011 03:48 AM

For the record, I have found that Shoya in Japanese can be translated as Mayor/Village Chief of some kind.

As for the units overall, the only issues I have are with the shark warriors (just seem strange and terribly put together), and the two elemental blue ladies who, just like glory, just seem far to innocent and sweet little sleeping beauties to be put on a battlefield to fight a pitlord. I do not mean to be racist in any way but I hate the soft smile looking off and away look that glory and the blue women share, it just doesn't fit the atmosphere of an action adventure strategy game with undead, demons, and orcs...
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LichKing012
LichKing012


Known Hero
posted January 09, 2011 04:45 AM

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People who were still wishing for Fortress tributes must have missed the quotes about it being a brand new faction in every sense of the word.

It would have been very easy to create a unique water/jungle faction that had a unit or two from old fortress while still being a unique and new faction. New faction does not mean all new units. It means new units and old units portrayed in new ways.

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Heroes never had an aquatic faction and from what I recall, many people were wishing for it, it's just that they have to be on the land due to gameplay purposes.


Exactly, they have to be on land. A purely aquatic faction makes absolutely no sense based on the fundamentals of heroes game play, so having a pure aquatic faction is really really really ridiculous. As a result of limiting themselves, they have a ludicrous line-up with a unimaginative boring walking shark, two units that are carbon copies of another unit already in the game, a lack of a sense of unity, and no real terrain. It would have made loads more sense to have a faction that actually portrayed its native terrain instead of ignoring it and blatantly disregarding it.


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Because none of the units in the other factions are called "human", "orc" or "dark elf" either
Minotaurs, goblin, Harpy, Centaur, sprite, Trent, gnolls, Medusa, and countless others say hello. Plus wave/tide warrior is a stupid name. It doesn't HAVE to be changed to naga, I just think that the current names are bad and that even a basic one would be better.

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jackson
jackson


Known Hero
Random Spirit Lover
posted January 09, 2011 04:55 AM

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People who were still wishing for Fortress tributes must have missed the quotes about it being a brand new faction in every sense of the word. Heroes never had an aquatic faction and from what I recall, many people were wishing for it, it's just that they have to be on the land due to gameplay purposes.


Ideas for aquatic factions have been thrown around here and there for a long time, according to my knowledge. You're completely right that an aquatic faction will still have to be based on land for gameplay purposes. And this is what they did, they put the aquatic faction on a jungle terrain. The jungle is on an island. It's not the worst of ideas.

Do you know what this leaves though? It leaves the possibility for adding a swamp terrain. Yes it could be similar to the jungle terrain, but it could be fairly different. There is still a huge possibility for them to add a H3 Fortress town in an expansion.

However, as I see it there are two reasons why they probably will not. 1) They would then have two reptilian races, which in their eyes and the eyes of many others, might be one reptilian race too many. And 2) There's still Sylvan, Dungeon, and Academy--three classics--that many want included as well.

At best, we'll see two factions per expansion. Assuming we get two expansions, they could add all four factions--Sylvan, Dungeon, Academy, and H3 Fortress. Although in all honesty, I really doubt we'll see four factions in expansions...

Regardless, the possibility is there, and each one of these four factions ARE in demand. To increase the likelihood of H3 Fortress being added, I definitely encourage one of the big fans of it to make a a petition type thing to show to Ubi. Yeah, I know there's already been a few polls about wanting H3 Fortess back, but consider trying to make it look more professional and serious. Try to get hundreds (maybe even thousands) of voices together. I hate to say it, but Facebook might even be a good way to go about it. Someone could make a page for H3 Fortress and state that by "liking" it you're voting to see it's reimplentation, then get as many fans as possible and, finally, show it to Ubi. That's just one idea though. And actually, I don't even have a Facebook, so I wouldn't be able to "like" it, but in general, any kind of petition anyone chooses to make about getting H3 Fortress back, I'd be happy to sign.

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Danny
Danny


Famous Hero
posted January 09, 2011 05:04 AM

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It would have been very easy to create a unique water/jungle faction that had a unit or two from old fortress while still being a unique and new faction. New faction does not mean all new units. It means new units and old units portrayed in new ways.


It would have been, but they didn't want to do it. The Fortress nostalgia is hugely exaggerated by the same handful of people over and over again and even if ONE unit appeared from Fortress, I know more people would have called them lazy after they promised a full new faction.

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Exactly, they have to be on land. A purely aquatic faction makes absolutely no sense based on the fundamentals of heroes game play, so having a pure aquatic faction is really really really ridiculous. As a result of limiting themselves, they have a ludicrous line-up with a unimaginative boring walking shark, two units that are carbon copies of another unit already in the game, a lack of a sense of unity, and no real terrain. It would have made loads more sense to have a faction that actually portrayed its native terrain instead of ignoring it and blatantly disregarding it.


Well that's just your opinion and I don't see how the rest of the factions bar Inferno "portray their terrain", neither how it's any worse than when 2 factions share the same terrain, same goes for the sense of unity, that depends on perception. Also, we don't know how their actual town looks like, chances are it's going to be featuring a lot of water and they will find a way to link it with jungle, and don't forget they come from an island and the 2 units with snake tails are the racial units, they don't come from the water, the water thing comes from the fact that they worship the dragon goddess of water, so their magical summoned units have to be water-based, and the shark-men are just their allies. It's not like their lineup has mermaids, crabs, shells and stuff that directly belong to the water and look out of place on the land.

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Because none of the units in the other factions are called "human", "orc" or "dark elf" either
Minotaurs, goblin, Harpy, Centaur, sprite, Trent, gnolls, Medusa, and countless others say hello. Plus wave/tide warrior is a stupid name. It doesn't HAVE to be changed to naga, I just think that the current names are bad and that even a basic one would be better.


All those you listed are in the factions of orcs and elves, just like the kappa is among naga now the point is, an orc unit is called "jaguar warrior" and not "something orc" just like how coral maiden won't be called "something naga", neither we have "human sisters". The races that dominate a faction are never used in unit titles anymore.

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Hotarubi
Hotarubi


Adventuring Hero
posted January 09, 2011 05:46 AM

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It would have been, but they didn't want to do it. The Fortress nostalgia is hugely exaggerated by the same handful of people over and over again and even if ONE unit appeared from Fortress, I know more people would have called them lazy after they promised a full new faction.


THANK YOU! I HATED the fortress with a burning passion and I don't want any remnants of it ever coming back. Not that I'm interpreting that you disliked the faction- just saying, so many people in this forum are crying as if Fortress partie deux would be the coming of the second messiah. I personally would be one of those people that would feel cheated when they had promised a full new faction. I remember feeling insulted when they revealed the Matriarchal Dark Elven Warlock/Dungeon faction. Why? Cuz it was just a rehash. Personally, I'm GLAD we have a totally new faction- and you gotta admit, as awkward as some of the units may be, it's pretty original (and I use this term sparingly- besides, is there anything out there that's 100% original). I may not be an active community member here, but I tracked the Heroes V news circa 2003-2005 (or was it '04-'05?) on this same site... ever since this site had the Heroes III Angel VS Demon background. For those 1 year and a half to two years of waiting and waiting for this "new" faction only to discover that it really was not...ppfttt.


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Well that's just your opinion and I don't see how the rest of the factions bar Inferno "portray their terrain", neither how it's any worse than when 2 factions share the same terrain, same goes for the sense of unity, that depends on perception. Also, we don't know how their actual town looks like, chances are it's going to be featuring a lot of water and they will find a way to link it with jungle, and don't forget they come from an island and the 2 units with snake tails are the racial units, they don't come from the water, the water thing comes from the fact that they worship the dragon goddess of water, so their magical summoned units have to be water-based, and the shark-men are just their allies. It's not like their lineup has mermaids, crabs, shells and stuff that directly belong to the water and look out of place on the land.


Amen sista friend. Side note though- the jungle terrain might look a lot more aquatic than you might all think. When people hear the word "jungle", a certain kind of tropical image infested with insects might come to mind. But did we ever get a clear high res screenshot of what the jungle terrain might look like? It might look more like a spring water kind of a terrain for all we know.

Personally, I'm not digging the shark warrior. I think it's just somewhat awkward. And I like the red bushido naga samurai and the fan-wielding Geisha naga more than this lot (i'm referencing Olivier Ledroit's early concept arts).... but I suppose the direction was to make a much more serene type of naga instead of one that was militant. The Maiden units I reckon will have a name change (Yuki-Ona will probably be the replacement), and it wouldn't hurt to name the River Spirit a name not based on Japanese mythology (Sea Nymph or Nereid for example). But overall, I'm glad this is our new faction- it draws inspiration (however minute it may be) from an underrepresented mythological system within fantasy games. The only drawback for me is that we might not ever see a Medusa unit now. Shame.

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