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weilan
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posted September 07, 2023 01:21 PM |
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AlexSpl said:
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For example - overhyped garbage like The Witcher 3 or Fallout 4, which should be so much different, feel exactly the same in how boring, generic, linear, uninspired, vapid they feel.
You, probably, didn't play The Witcher 3. If this game is a garbage, I don't know which one is not.
TES 3 Morrowind with all the bugs and problems is not garbage.
Diablo 2 isn't.
Age of Empires 2 isn't.
Mass Effect 1-3 aren't.
Dragon Age 1 isn't.
GTA 5 is overhyped, but it's fun. I had fun completing the story twice even though I can't change anything. Just the writing was decent enough and the characters were likable.
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Opera
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posted September 09, 2023 11:25 AM |
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weilan said:
AlexSpl said:
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For example - overhyped garbage like The Witcher 3 or Fallout 4, which should be so much different, feel exactly the same in how boring, generic, linear, uninspired, vapid they feel.
You, probably, didn't play The Witcher 3. If this game is a garbage, I don't know which one is not.
TES 3 Morrowind with all the bugs and problems is not garbage.
Diablo 2 isn't.
Age of Empires 2 isn't.
Mass Effect 1-3 aren't.
Dragon Age 1 isn't.
GTA 5 is overhyped, but it's fun. I had fun completing the story twice even though I can't change anything. Just the writing was decent enough and the characters were likable.
Too much nostalgia and stop offtopic Morrowind and Diablo 2 is garbage game and time eat them badly really if You compered Diablo 2 to PoE or even D3, Morrowind to Skyrim.And Morrowind combat system big XD. Diablo 2 sleeping machine
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weilan
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posted September 09, 2023 04:23 PM |
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Opera said:
Too much nostalgia and stop offtopic Morrowind and Diablo 2 is garbage game and time eat them badly really if You compered Diablo 2 to PoE or even D3, Morrowind to Skyrim.And Morrowind combat system big XD. Diablo 2 sleeping machine
Literally every game you listed is overrated compared to the previous one in the series and will be forgotten and dead while the old ones will live on even 50+ years from now.
Morrowind and Diablo 2 have larger modding communities than Skysh*t or Diablo 3, which to my knowledge has only one private server, and being online-only live service trash, it will not be playable unless there are servers. Needless to day, Skysh*t is probably the most dumbed-down and overrated single player TES game to date, if we put it head-to-head with ESO, it's difficult to say which is more brain-dead and catering to more imbecilic audience, still inferior to Morrowind where everything anyone has a problem with has either an in-game solution or mods. Same with Diablo 2, which has total conversion mods, like Eastern Sun, Kingdom of Tenai, Medial XL, Zy-El and many more. Morrowind has a multiplayer component that allowed people to create servers for it and turn it basically into an MMORPG, component being called TES3MP. Basically speaking, Morrowind and Diablo 2 are on the same level as HoMM3 and AoE2 The Conquerors, the sequels are like the sequels of HoMM and AoE - a joke people prefer not to talk about.
Now back on topic with HoTA.
It would be really nice if the developers buffed crap like:
- Eagle Eye
- Scholar
- First Aid
- Fire Magic
Made more distinct each school of magic so you don't get the same spells under different schools where it doesn't make sense. For exampe Magic Missile can be in every school and it's stupid. It should only be in Air and each school should have its own variety of basic attack spells. Like Boulder Throw for Earth, Fire Bolt for Fire, Water Spray for Water and so forth.
But then again, I doubt this will ever happen. It will make the magic more like that of Disciples 2 or Age of Wonders Shadow Magic, where magic is more pronounced and each school is more unique, but those systems are much different from that of HoMM3 and I guess it can only be achieved with some ERA mods.
The reality is the HoTA team is now working really slow, they probably don't have the mod as a priority anymore and maybe after they release Factory, they will go on a temporary or permanent hiatus.
If my predictions are correct, then the next big think to look out for will be Day of Reckoning:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePM7Jkjt6wM
If that is anywhere near ready for public testing or anything like that. If it can work side-by-side with HoTA it will be great, because it won't require people to have multiple installations of the game, but it probably will be like that.
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NimoStar
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posted September 09, 2023 10:16 PM |
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was excited for Day of Reckoning before I started to see it was all about that Christmas and Santa c+r+a+p. I mean, "look at his ridiculous Santa costume!" is even in the trailer.
I mean, I don't even believe Christmas is part of HOMM3 world, which isn't even Earth, so it doesn't even make sense in context...
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FdgK
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posted September 09, 2023 10:50 PM |
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I completely agree with you that Christmas themed features aren't a good fit for HoMM but I would give the project the benefit of the doubt since the trailer is nearly two years old and a lot of design decisions can be revisited and changed in such a long time. In fact, it would be atypical if any big project didn't undergo different phases during its lifespan and if the final product were identical or close to the earlier iterations.
And to be honest: Even if they kept one vaguely Santa-looking unit (which, if I understood correctly, comes straight from Scandinavian folk myths), that would not keep me from playing a well made mod which fits nicely into the original game gameplay and graphicwise (which still is to be seen, obviously).
But I think we should be having this discussion in the DoR thread rather than here.
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FirePaladin
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posted September 10, 2023 12:49 AM |
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@NimoStar
From one man to another, we are people, not machines, what's the harm in inserting a few silly, festive jokes in a teaser released around the holidays? (if you look at the release date, it was the 1st of January, a week after Christmas) Not only, but this is about a project which is focused on modding a 20+ years old game, which the average player plays while sipping from a hot cup of tea or another beverage, standing in a comfy chair, so such approachability would be par for the course (and to clarify, I am not dissing on the PvP scene either, if that's not how you play the game  ).
Granted, you could argue that it wasn't the best move for a first appearance (where I might or might not agree with you, but it's so far behind and insignificant that there is no point in having a debate over it), but it was mainly meant to be a little video seen by relatively few people, mainly those present online, in order to make a little appearance. Which it did achieve.
Lastly, that's true, Christmas has little place on the planet of Enroth (and generally, in the world of MM). As Fdgk pointed out, though, they mainly cover the house gnomes present in Nordic mythos and folktales, while also hinting at Svartalfheim (underground world, home to dwarves), from the Norse edda. To further clear things up, they are the only Christmas-associated element in the mod, as well (and thanks to certain features, not even necessary to be used by the player, as a T1). And before I'll begin writing an overly long essay about design directions, ties to the Norse Nine Worlds, their implications and so on (things which, admittedly, have welcomed the contribution of knowledgeable people, including a known man whose illness I truly hope will be a thing of the past soon enough), I will wish you a good day (or evening, or night) and end this reply.
@Fdgk
Thank you! We did in fact overhaul virtually all the graphics present in the teaser: after all, most do feature flaws which are obvious to the trained eye, from the spiked ice mountains, to the Ice Maiden's overall lack of personality and the Jotun's similarity to the Titan. Even ToW's Dryad was not perfect. I have to admit, some of these models were also my very first creature models for H3, but they all got reworked thanks to the contributions of other people, time in which I polished my skills and worked on other things.
Otherwise, I agree that we should not hold this discussion here, as it's somewhat akin to ignoring the host, as a guest in their house, so I will leave it at this (note: take it to the DoR thread or my private messages, be it here or on Discord, if you wish so; in the latter two, I can reply more openly, and my username is the same as it is here), and apologize for this relatively lengthy intrusion, and wish the best to the host (that being HotA Crew), whom, despite their silence and the way that some people berate them as if they are indebted to them, I know are doing their earnest to bring their own* vision and passion to life.
*Not that of someone outside of their team, such as a forum dweller: no offense intended, but some people believe it's not about HotA Crew's vision.
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NimoStar
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posted September 10, 2023 02:46 AM |
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Well, the thing is, the trailer was presented as possibly campaign gameplay and it wasn't "whimsical" except for the sudden santa-looking man. First Gelu has a long-winded digression about serious matters and his own state of mind, and then... that. Add to that that the first revealed unit is a jolly little man that gives presents, and, uh, you can see where I am going.
Not saying that I oppose the project, not at all, just that it all took me by surprise about a mod called "DAY OF RECKONING" and was suppossed to be a prologue to the end of the world, not "the 12 days of christmas"
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Phoenix4ever
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posted September 10, 2023 08:53 AM |
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Maybe not having christmas or getting presents would feel like the end of the world to some (smaller) people. 
Btw we might be slightly off-topic.
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Ghost
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Therefore I am
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posted September 10, 2023 11:45 AM |
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Your xmas gift is a living Kyrre  I forgot that we haven't a another Kyrre, thus a living Kyrre isn't a clone.. Fight it present, NimoStar and Phoenix, also some evil guy wants to get Kyrre.. Notice! I recommend you rarely make love with Kyrre.. She isn't a sex toy, thus smaller people have little and mushroom-headed to destroy her, but xmas gift for protect you, HoMM hot seat, etc
I'm high-mad!
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Girls, I give xmas gift that you can choose who is hero 
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weilan
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posted September 10, 2023 01:41 PM |
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I don't really pay attention to the Christmas things in the mod. Yes they are there, but they never really stood out for me. Actually when I saw them, it invoked a memory from many years ago when it was a cozy winter holiday, I was still in school, it was snowing outside and I was about to play some HoMM3.
For me this is not that big of a deal, but we should come to the realization that The Horn of the Abyss might be coming to an end after Factory. Even if Picolan was still around, HoTA, while good feels like it's drained in terms of creativity.
It's something that has been bothering me since before - HoTA - the name of the expansion is after the Cove campaign and now creating another town, unrelated to Cove or the artifact known as Horn of the Abyss is weird to me. Like how HoMM3's expansions - Restoration of Erathia, Armageddon's Blade, Shadow of Death were thematic names for content specific and related to them.
That's why I think that after Factory is released, we should more or less consider HoTA done/complete/finished and should start focusing on other mods, after all, nothing lasts forever.
That Reckoning mod might be big, might be not, we will see. At the end of the day, I'm still content with whatever HoTA has provided, it still a A LOT, people who are always looking for more should have an introspection and learn to be more humble and appreciate what there is.
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FdgK
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posted September 10, 2023 05:57 PM |
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I don't mind that the mod's name doesn't have a direct connection with the new faction. In the end, Armageddon's Blade was the name of an expansion of which 5 out of 6 campaigns had nothing to do with the titel. And also the newly added town didn't have a direct link to the expansion's name.
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Ghost
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Therefore I am
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posted September 10, 2023 06:24 PM |
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Remember what? M&M out! Thus violent, sci-fi, etc HoMM is a common fantasy for family.. JVC said.. If you ask a source.. Ok we've a lot of disagreement here! I accepted Factory now.. Really time thinking! But I never wanted Forge.. Our Baronus member is from Poland said Elementals have neutral background, but I must to install RoE, when in there two different backgrounds, one problem, I will play against legion, etc I must to delete RoE fastly.. When Baronus sees ptsc pictures, and his Forge theory will loses..
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NimoStar
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posted September 10, 2023 08:31 PM |
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I guess what I mind more about DoR "christmas" stuff is that along with the story made in the trailer it makes the thing look non-serious. I have criticized a lot about HoTA but they always took their presentation as a serious expansion.
The stuff about jokes, is that it makes one doubt if the whole thing is an elaborate joke or something. Yes, I know it isn't, too much content produced in the teaser trailer alone for that. But, it generates a not-the-best-feeling about waiting for the project.
Anyways, not-jokeness isn't the guarantee of any progress, as HotA themselves showed still...
So, I will take my living Kyrre to pass the time, as Ghost would crazily say
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pizdabol
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posted September 11, 2023 12:41 AM |
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Ypu people are absolute snowing idiots .!.
I hope hope hota factory never gets released because you entitled snowing peasents dont deserve it. There your snowing christmas
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MurlocAggroB
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posted September 11, 2023 07:47 PM |
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NimoStar said:
was excited for Day of Reckoning before I started to see it was all about that Christmas and Santa c+r+a+p. I mean, "look at his ridiculous Santa costume!" is even in the trailer.
I mean, I don't even believe Christmas is part of HOMM3 world, which isn't even Earth, so it doesn't even make sense in context...
If you Google "tomte" or "nisse", you will see hundreds of pictures of little gnome men that look like Santa. DoR isn't aping Santa Clause, Santa Clause aped folklore creatures.
That's just what those creatures look like. What do you want the devs to do about that?
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weilan
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posted September 11, 2023 09:00 PM |
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MurlocAggroB said:
NimoStar said:
was excited for Day of Reckoning before I started to see it was all about that Christmas and Santa c+r+a+p. I mean, "look at his ridiculous Santa costume!" is even in the trailer.
I mean, I don't even believe Christmas is part of HOMM3 world, which isn't even Earth, so it doesn't even make sense in context...
If you Google "tomte" or "nisse", you will see hundreds of pictures of little gnome men that look like Santa. DoR isn't aping Santa Clause, Santa Clause aped folklore creatures.
That's just what those creatures look like. What do you want the devs to do about that?
Good find, I would have never thought of that. Guess it's up to literacy - some people will see Santa Claus, other will recognize some mythological creature.
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NimoStar
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posted September 11, 2023 10:58 PM |
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If you Google "tomte" or "nisse", you will see hundreds of pictures of little gnome men that look like Santa. DoR isn't aping Santa Clause, Santa Clause aped folklore creatures.
That's just what those creatures look like. What do you want the devs to do about that?
Excerpt that they literally put Christmas themes right next to the stuffs...
St. Nicholas lived millenia before "Nisse", the stuff was invented for Christmas, long after after Christmas was established
(Clock on images to read)
Your "#literacy" is failing...
So, DoR is just "christmas season mod", just recognize it. I as the grinch that I am will not like that. It's not even winter here on December.
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FirePaladin
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posted September 12, 2023 12:24 AM |
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FdgK
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posted September 12, 2023 01:17 AM |
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Well, you might want to consider reading the rest of the article you posted. Then you will find the paragraph titled ‘After Christianization’ which reads: «The nisse or tomte was in ancient times believed to be the "soul" of the first inhabitant of the farm; he who cleared the tomt (house lot). He had his dwellings in the burial mounds on the farm, hence the now somewhat archaic Swedish names tomtenisse and tomtekarl, the Swedish and Norwegian tomtegubbe and tomtebonde ("tomte farmer"), Danish husnisse ("house nisse"), the Norwegian haugkall ("mound man"), and the Finnish tonttu-ukko (lit. "house lot man").
The nisse was not always a popular figure, particularly during and after the Christianization of Scandinavia. Like most creatures of folklore he would be seen as heathen (pre-Christian) and be demonized and connected to the Devil. [...]»
You see: They already existed in northern folk mythology before Scandinavians even knew of the existence of Christianity and therefore also St. Nicholas.
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MurlocAggroB
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posted September 12, 2023 02:04 AM |
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NimoStar said:
St. Nicholas lived millenia before "Nisse", the stuff was invented for Christmas, long after after Christmas was established
Nope. Nopenopenope. Santa Clause as a Christmas figure comes from Christians integrating local tradition to better sell their own religion. Like, do you think Santa was in the Bible? Where do you think he came from? Look up Sinterklaas and his racist henchmen, or the Yule Lads, or any other Scandinavian winter holiday. It's wild and varied, and modern Saint Nick is an amalgamation of those traditions.
If you're literally just gonna make stuff up to be mad about, I'm not gonna argue with you. There are real things to be mad about in the world. Don't waste your energy getting mad about things that don't exist.
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