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Phoenix4ever
Legendary Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
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posted December 04, 2023 05:01 PM |
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I am a bit conflicted with you posting such pessimestic statements, yet posting happy smileys.
Is there even any source for your claims?
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FirePaladin
Promising
Legendary Hero
DoR Modder
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posted December 04, 2023 06:07 PM |
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We all know that HotA is evil and doesn't want the players to have fun or ever get Factory, that's even why it was canceled just now: https://forum.df2.ru/index.php?showtopic=37363&st=4060&start=4060
Lazy said: Well, I talked with the team. We canceled the Factory on your advice!
Absolutely sound decision by people working on a HoMM3 mod not made for fun, not in free time, and not at the end of development.
(And because some people are too dense, yes, this is sarcasm).
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Enshackling time itself, heralds of the Ancients among their heat-depleted land.... Who could they be, who could rally the beings of the East and the North and control the mortals' fate?
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weilan
Known Hero
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posted December 04, 2023 06:50 PM |
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aztorin5 said:
Phoenix4ever said: Oh well, guess I'll just wait 5 more years or be dead by then.
Well, considering fact that "developing" process of 1.7.0 is going for example from this:
https://ibb.co/6H8cYnV
to that:
https://ibb.co/f8q1tmn
I think that 5 years of waiting sounds little bit too optimistic
I like the second image for the castle building looks better. I don't know if this is real or not, but either way looks OK to me. The good thing is this game is not live service so one update can't "make or break" it. People who don't like it can just NOT UPDATE. And people who don't like HoTA can use whatever other version they enjoy.
That's the good thing about offline games with single player and bots - you aren't forced to play a certain version you don't like, the existence of a server for it (look at the multiplayer lobby as such) is not a defining factor for the game's existence.
So I don't know if you are being unhappy with this change or not, but it's not that big of a deal either way.
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aztorin5
Tavern Dweller
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posted December 04, 2023 10:01 PM |
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Edited by aztorin5 at 22:02, 04 Dec 2023.
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Phoenix4ever said: I am a bit conflicted with you posting such pessimestic statements, yet posting happy smileys.
Is there even any source for your claims?
Happy smileys is just some sort of sarcasm
But sarcasm aside and seriously - source is just analysis. If I remeber correctly, Factory was announced at February 2019. Since then we've received:
-> video where we were able to see town screen, some Factory heroes, units (also in battle - Bounty Hunter) and dwellings
-> video with time screen animation
-> video with Wasteland theme where was "introducted" two new units
-> article on VK which was deeply decribing another unit - Armadillo
-> another article - this time about Dreadnought
-> indroduction mapmodels of Factory heroes
-> article about Coatl
-> video "Factory: The Rally" with lot of in-game features
-> article about Sandworm
-> other minor updates e.g. videos with campaign cutscenes
In the meantime Hota 1.6 (and 1.6.1) were released.
Then Docent Picolan past away (yeah, I know that article about Sandworm was published after that, but probably all of us know who was writing it). It was November 2020.
02.2019 -> 11.2020 = 21 months
12.2020 -> 12.2023 = 36 months
And during this 36 months:
-> article about new features in map editor
-> few screens where we were able to see red trees, new looking prision, some explosion during the battle, decription of Victoria and receding town screen
So maybe I'm not pessimistic but realistic?
But to the conclusion. If 1.7.0 will ever be released? I don't know. More important question is what Hota Crew are planning to do with code, tools and their modding know-how, because experience of last three years rather leaves no doubt - without proper coordinator (and if that frontman doesn't appear since 11.2020, he will never appear), this team will not be able to provide some major updates in the future. And I'm writing this as a person who really apprecieates contribution of Hota Crew to Heroes 3. They made modification which became almost canonical, far ahead than other HIII mods. But I'm also a man who is thinking that this fantastic game still has a lot of potential to be better but it requiers modding skills, appropriate organisation and ethusiasm - in my opinion these last two factors today's Hota Crew very much lacks of.
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Phoenix4ever
Legendary Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
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posted December 04, 2023 11:38 PM |
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It would really be a damn shame, if the last 5 years just goes to waste.
I don't hope we have to wait that much longer either, sounds like they don't have that much left to do.
Personally I just want the new town, creatures and heroes, I really don't give a damn about new maps, campaigns or cutscenes, which probably took an eternity to make and is the reason we are still waiting...
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MurlocAggroB
Adventuring Hero
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posted December 05, 2023 05:25 AM |
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aztorin5 said:
Well, considering fact that "developing" process of 1.7.0 is going for example from this:
https://ibb.co/6H8cYnV
to that:
https://ibb.co/f8q1tmn
I think that 5 years of waiting sounds little bit too optimistic
That first screenshot isn't real; it's a GIF that was made to have something to demo in 2019. You can see it in the demo trailer where the screen is never interacted with directly. That second one on the other hand is by all accounts a real, functioning town screen. The details are blacked out to preserve hype and prevent spoilers. That's video game marketing 101; it's more exciting to get a grand reveal on launch day than it is to go in knowing everything.
What's my source for that? Same as yours, I made it up. It's equally easy to create a positive narrative as it is to create a negative one, and yet unprovoked you choose to be negative. I don't know what you're trying to achieve here. What's the end game? If you're wrong and it comes out in January, you just look like a tool.
HotA's free, and it's a fantastically high-quality mod for a relatively-niche, nearly 25-year old game. They're under no obligation to keep updating it, and yet they are updating it. If HotA was competing with a bunch of other mods that have the same quality and feeling of consistency with the base game, I'd be more annoyed. But no one else is producing anything this good, which tells me it's not that easy. So by my book, they can take all the time they need whether that means I get more of the free product they're making or I get to enjoy what they've already made.
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aztorin5
Tavern Dweller
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posted December 05, 2023 10:44 AM |
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Edited by aztorin5 at 10:54, 05 Dec 2023.
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Phoenix4ever said: Personally I just want the new town, creatures and heroes, I really don't give a damn about new maps, campaigns or cutscenes, which probably took an eternity to make and is the reason we are still waiting...
It was discussed - as Hota Crew started claiming long time ago that Factory and map editor update is practically completed, players said: "ok, so focus on finishing that part, publish and then, without any rush, just work on caimpaign/maps and release whenever it ready" (cause, similar to you, many people don't give a sh*t about campaign). However the team didn't decide to that step and then we've got unfinished town screen which can suggest that Factory isn't really completed. And I don't suspect Hota Crew about deliberate misleading - this situation may be caused exactly by doesn't have person who would coordinate work inside the team, as I mentioned in previous post.
MurlocAggroB said: That first screenshot isn't real; it's a GIF that was made to have something to demo in 2019. You can see it in the demo trailer where the screen is never interacted with directly. That second one on the other hand is by all accounts a real, functioning town screen.
Lol, first screenshot isn't real? What nonsense are you talking about? So the scene from 26s of that movie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTSsek0wIEY is fake or just a gif? Why then (in 28s) screen "responds" when mouse coursor pointing on one of the buildings?
MurlocAggroB said: That second one on the other hand is by all accounts a real, functioning town screen. The details are blacked out to preserve hype and prevent spoilers. That's video game marketing 101; it's more exciting to get a grand reveal on launch day than it is to go in knowing everything.
Okay, now I see the main difference between us - I just don't have mentality of teenage fanboy who is praising to the heavens everything connected to his idols and defend them every single time. "Blacking out town screen to preserve hype" - are you serious?
And video game marketing it's not about announcing something, then in 1,5 year distance publishing more or less often new materials, and then going almost completely silent for next 3 years.
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Opera
Adventuring Hero
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posted December 05, 2023 11:38 AM |
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Stop talking crap you can see that you are new completely from HOTA and do not follow this project well. And you are talking nonsense Docent was in charge of PR of the team hence there was information. The team prefers to do the work than to write posts so that you don't cry later that hoohhh there is no Factory already 5 years they sure don't do anything. Currently almost everything is ready and you can read it from the Forum DF 2 they are working on the end of the texts for the campaign and optimization of the code. Stop trolling and writing nonsense
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aztorin5
Tavern Dweller
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posted December 05, 2023 12:16 PM |
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Edited by aztorin5 at 12:20, 05 Dec 2023.
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Do you really think that another thoughless fanboy of your kind is able to order other people what they can or cannot write? Wake up - your influence is way below zero.
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Dydzio
Adventuring Hero
VCMI contributor
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posted December 05, 2023 12:17 PM |
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Edited by Dydzio at 12:22, 05 Dec 2023.
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@aztorin5 - HotA team took approach to PR that resembles commercial game making, whether you like it or not. If you highly value transparent progress and high level of interaction with community then VCMI is probably the only H3 modding related project where you can expect that at the moment, though it is not centered around making new high quality graphical content.
EDIT: Succession Wars mod team seems to be also pretty straightforward about project progress.
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aztorin5
Tavern Dweller
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posted December 05, 2023 12:44 PM |
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Edited by aztorin5 at 12:51, 05 Dec 2023.
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Dydzio said: @aztorin5 - HotA team took approach to PR that resembles commercial game making, whether you like it or not.
Could you give some examples for that type of PR (announce -> publish lot of materials -> went almost completely silent) in commercial game making? Cause I can quickly indicate only one - Hollow Knight Silksong which "thanks" to that PR actually became a meme.
Dydzio said: If you highly value transparent progress and high level of interaction with community then VCMI is probably the only H3 modding related project where you can expect that at the moment, though it is not centered around making new high quality graphical content.
VCMI never was my piece of cake but not so long ago I started tracking their progress and have to admit that it looks pretty impressive. Maybe in the future I will dig into it little bit deeper. One question - if it is compatible with maps creating by community? Cause for example with Hota is simple: go to the map portal -> select Hota -> download map. I wonder how it looks with VCMI.
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Dydzio
Adventuring Hero
VCMI contributor
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posted December 05, 2023 02:14 PM |
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Edited by Dydzio at 21:37, 05 Dec 2023.
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@aztorin5 about the commercial game PR style - pretty much most commercial games - you get trailer, no trackable progress/devlog, fans bombard game's twitter with millions of questions but 0,001% of them maybe get answered and rest is "you will see for yourself on release" etc.
VCMI supports both SoD and hota maps, but lets keep this topic hota related - there is already VCMI topic on this forum and there are other places like project discord where its easier to catch team at the header of https://vcmi.eu/ website
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Opera
Adventuring Hero
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posted December 05, 2023 05:00 PM |
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Edited by Opera at 17:10, 05 Dec 2023.
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aztorin5 said: Do you really think that another thoughless fanboy of your kind is able to order other people what they can or cannot write? Wake up - your influence is way below zero.
And it is possible to know who you are and what influence you have ? Because you yourself don't know who is on the other side and what influence you have on HOTA and mod what kind of contacts i have. For me you are just a troll to be banned because you do not bring anything Interesting to the comunity just cry and bullsnow
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aztorin5
Tavern Dweller
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posted December 05, 2023 08:07 PM |
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Dydzio said: @aztorin5 about the commercial game PR style - pretty much most commercial games - you get trailer, no trackable progress/devlog, fans bombard game's twitter with millions of questions but 0,001% of them maybe get answered and rest is "you will see for yourself on release" etc.
It's completely natural that big gaming companies doesn't chatting with fans via social media. But direct converations is one thing (which nobody demands) and publishing materials about progress or giving interviews where some new aspects are presented is another. And that second thing is a habit of most industries.
Opera said: For me you are just a troll to be banned
Nobody cares
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Opera
Adventuring Hero
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posted December 05, 2023 08:58 PM |
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Opera said: For me you are just a troll to be banned
Nobody cares
Soo shut the f*ck up
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aztorin5
Tavern Dweller
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posted December 05, 2023 10:01 PM |
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What a culture of discussion. Parents must be proud
Nobody cares about your opinion - it's funny how limited you are so you don't uderstand pretty simple phrases until they are hammerly hit into your head
It's also funny how you react when someone on DISCUSSION FORUM presents an opinion that doesn't praising your idols. You suddenly start to behave like a faithful doggy who is ready to die for his master. But this can be even considered as a positive thing - you have many intelectual disabilities but at least you know your place in the line. Congratulations
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted December 05, 2023 10:28 PM |
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It's a modding forum. Noobs who never coded a single line for Heroes should remain respectful and feel honored to being let participate to the discussion.
Pick one, either you step back and stop escalating with the usual bamboozling about Hota team not being up to your expectations, or a moderator will help you, the hard way.
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Era II mods and utilities
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted December 05, 2023 10:50 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 22:51, 05 Dec 2023.
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Couple of penalties applied. Now behave like civilized peeps or silence occurs next.
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aztorin5
Tavern Dweller
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posted December 06, 2023 08:16 AM |
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Salamandre said: It's a modding forum.
Nope, it's a discussion forum for the Heroes Community (according to their name). And pssst, this is exactly what I'm doing - making a discussion by sharing my opinions. If you have a problem with that you can always create your own forum - only for modders and eventually their fanatical praisers.
Salamandre said: Noobs who never coded a single line for Heroes should remain respectful and feel honored to being let participate to the discussion.
Hilarious and terryfying at the same time that there are still a lot of people of such slave mentality. "Feel honored and get down on your knees when somebody allows you to talk" - phrases which fits to "peak period" of stalinism are writing at the end of 2023.
But okay, this forum is defenitely not to discuss about backwardness of some people so I'll stop commenting about that upleasant (off)topic. Phoenix and Dydzio for example had a different opinions about Hota than mine but it didn't stop anybody from having a discussion on a civilized level. Hoping that there are more people opened for constructive debate, while mental cavemens will remain at margin.
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Opera
Adventuring Hero
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posted December 06, 2023 08:39 AM |
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aztorin5 said:
Salamandre said: It's a modding forum.
Nope, it's a discussion forum for the Heroes Community (according to their name). And pssst, this is exactly what I'm doing - making a discussion by sharing my opinions. If you have a problem with that you can always create your own forum - only for modders and eventually their fanatical praisers.
Salamandre said: Noobs who never coded a single line for Heroes should remain respectful and feel honored to being let participate to the discussion.
Hilarious and terryfying at the same time that there are still a lot of people of such slave mentality. "Feel honored and get down on your knees when somebody allows you to talk" - phrases which fits to "peak period" of stalinism are writing at the end of 2023.
But okay, this forum is defenitely not to discuss about backwardness of some people so I'll stop commenting about that upleasant (off)topic. Phoenix and Dydzio for example had a different opinions about Hota than mine but it didn't stop anybody from having a discussion on a civilized level. Hoping that there are more people opened for constructive debate, while mental cavemens will remain at margin.
That's the way it is king and now shoo to the dump to talk to people on your level
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