oh right, my bad, that journalist was a russian. it's fine to murder them. like shooting a muslim kid in the face, 'cause maybe he's a terrorist! snow yea, democracy and freedom!
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"Kip is the Gavin McInnes of HC" - Salamandre
"Ashan to the Trashcan", "I got PTSD from H7. " - LizardWarrior
Say Fred, I heard that the Lakota indians declared a sort of independace from you yanks and are starting to use a sort of bitcoin clone as their currency. what's up with that?
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"Kip is the Gavin McInnes of HC" - Salamandre
"Ashan to the Trashcan", "I got PTSD from H7. " - LizardWarrior
where did I said "I hate freedom of speech?". Answer it. You can't? figured as much.
This...
kipshasz said:yea, I hate liberty, freedom of speech, ect. yea sure.
but mainly your crush on dictatorships. I would bet my dog's last eye on that there is not a single dictatorship(excluding micro states) with acceptable level of free speech. Dictatorship as an efficiant and free form of governing only works in dream utopias and in ancient societies.
Say Fred, I heard that the Lakota indians declared a sort of independace from you yanks and are starting to use a sort of bitcoin clone as their currency. what's up with that?
i have no idea. i could care less about the plights and trials of all of humanity, let alone a certain race, or a certain situation. mostly, people either bore me, entertain me, or make me want to scream at the sky and rack my brain to try and understand their stupidity. mostly.
that being said, i like nice people who are worth a damn. everyone else can be fed to the ****ing wolves. no matter the country, race, blah blah, whatever.
kipshasz said:yea, I hate liberty, freedom of speech, ect. yea sure.
You and sarcasm aren't introduced to each other as I see.
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"Kip is the Gavin McInnes of HC" - Salamandre
"Ashan to the Trashcan", "I got PTSD from H7. " - LizardWarrior
kipshasz said:yea, I hate liberty, freedom of speech, ect. yea sure.
You and sarcasm aren't introduced to each other as I see.
Sarcasm is not always easy to read, especially not when written by a brutally honest guy such as yourself. I forgot to mention your undying support for a nation that treats media and "independant thinkers" no better that your own nation apparantly does.
fred79 said:
right, kip? america is EEEEVILLLLL....
Not sure if you agree with it or not but it attacks Obama on the wrong points. Bush was the one promising security. Obama promised change of the politic and social system which he of course betrayed his voters on. Though on "security" he has supported illeagal spying whenever he can and filled the jails with non-violent drug users. He has been trying his best for the military and by military I mean the rich friends who make all the war stuff. Obama tried to stay in either Afghan or Iraq beyond the agreement, he REALLY wanted to attack Syria and he is droning the crap out of innocent muslims but even some americans. I am sure some thought he would make life easier for the poor and felt entiteled. But nothing close to the entitlement that right-wing christians feel when it comes to rights. It is funny how among the many bad things Obama has done, the opponents who hates him beyond reason fully agree with him.
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Quote:If you can't publish whatever the snow you want, without someone saying "it's bad" or "it's wrong" then what kind of snowing freedom is this?
dude being allowed to criticize is also freedom of speech:/
that's not exactly what I meant.
when something is being critized for "not being correct" which depicts a different POV than it' supposed to and it must not see the light of day. This is what I had in mind.
you mean such as antifas and the like? if you criticize Israel, or think american wars aren't for democracy, or you doubt the official version of the 9-11, etc... they just call you "conspirationist" or "antisemitic", "far-right", "ill brain", etc... and refuse any debate because obviously your opinions show that you are way too stupid for that and they are the ones who deserve to be on all the medias spreading the truth, and you just deserve to close your mouth forever?
@ gunfred: it was in jest. they're all rotten apples, everyone in government, in all governments across the world, until proven otherwise. there have only been a couple instances where governments did something good for their people. anyone with a certain amount of power, cannot be trusted, no matter what anyone says.
i was making a joke(i didn't make the graphic i posted). kip keeps railing on the u.s., i thought i'd join him, just for ****s and giggles.
kip'll try to blame anything on the u.s., even if it's a foreign government's fault. he has a real hate-on for the u.s., even though, i think, he has never directly experienced anything the u.s. government has actually manipulated.
maybe it's just a "cool" thing, to blame the u.s. for humanity's problems. whatever it is, it's lame, and it got old a looooong time ago.
Quote:If you can't publish whatever the snow you want, without someone saying "it's bad" or "it's wrong" then what kind of snowing freedom is this?
dude being allowed to criticize is also freedom of speech:/
that's not exactly what I meant.
when something is being critized for "not being correct" which depicts a different POV than it' supposed to and it must not see the light of day. This is what I had in mind.
you mean such as antifas and the like? if you criticize Israel, or think american wars aren't for democracy, or you doubt the official version of the 9-11, etc... they just call you "conspirationist" or "antisemitic", "far-right", "ill brain", etc... and refuse any debate because obviously your opinions show that you are way too stupid for that and they are the ones who deserve to be on all the medias spreading the truth, and you just deserve to close your mouth forever?
You could go with that. But I think that what he's trying to say is that the press should focus on the objective truth rather than on the subjective propaganda.
and that ukrainian singer is hilarious.
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"Kip is the Gavin McInnes of HC" - Salamandre
"Ashan to the Trashcan", "I got PTSD from H7. " - LizardWarrior
Fauch said:and the fact it got old a long time ago means it must be wrong? maybe it would be more accurate to actually blame the corporations?
lol, no. corporations, the rich, politicians, the commonfolk, etc, blah blah blah, it's all the same.
there is only one thing to lay blame on, EVER. human beings in general. their selfish little personalities. their fragile ****ing ego's(i am not exempt from any of this). their ME, ME, ME attitudes about everything. their stupid little bubbles of "reality". you can point blame at whoever you feel like, whatever the crowd is going with at any particular moment, sure. and mostly, you'll just be arguing for/against something immaterial, that matters not a whit in the grand scheme of things.
the blame belongs with humanity itself. what's wrong, is to try and SPECIFY any human group responsible, where these flaws and problems are coming from, that create such things like the russian movement into the ukraine, for people to talk about all over the world. it's the same thing, every single time. it can all be traced back to what makes human beings as a whole such a pile of selfish, overbearing, deluded, self-aggrandizing garbage.
corporations, governments, terrorists, commonfolk, celebrities, blah blah blah. it's all the same thing, with all of the same problems, on all different scales.
the heart of the problem is humanity itself. yeah, i've said this before, no ****.
I don't like that argument, that sounds like an easy way to justify misbehaviour by denying individual responsibility. so someone can do whatever pleases him, and when we judge him, he just says that we would have done the same at his place, and so he isn't the one to blame, but the whole humanity is responsible for his crimes.
though I agree about groups, I think that's more of a shortcut, obviously we aren't blaming the whole population of the USA (I hope so)
Fauch said:I don't like that argument, that sounds like an easy way to justify misbehaviour by denying individual responsibility. so someone can do whatever pleases him, and when we judge him, he just says that we would have done the same at his place, and so he isn't the one to blame, but the whole humanity is responsible for his crimes.
though I agree about groups, I think that's more of a shortcut, obviously we aren't blaming the whole population of the USA (I hope so)
lol, i was blaming ALL "individuals", fauch. i was placing the blame on the one thing that is the root cause. there's no way out of it, there's no justifying human behavior. this "argument", as you see it, isn't an escape for anything or anyone. no one escapes it, not even me, because i am human, and see the same flaws in myself that i see in everyone else.
don't think it'll be that easy to justify humanity's behavior, fauch. there IS no justifying it.
look at what's happening within the ukraine, with the russians. now, take a look at every other thing that the human race has ever done. all of it's "accomplishments", has been about ego. all of it's "advancements" have been a power struggle between egos. it's all the same, it's the problem with our brains that causes this. maybe it's because of self-realization, that people feel the need to continue on as they do. the whole shebang is just a chain reaction, it never ends, and it never differs. it's always about the self, the ego, the selfishness, that society has even come about. the power struggles within all societies are a reflection of what is inside everyone.
sure, someone could use that as an excuse to do whatever they want. but they will always find an excuse to do whatever they want. they will find a way, be it through law, force, establishing or carving up a country, etc, blah blah. it's the way humans work. they are constantly trying to justify their own pointless existence, and if they have to impose on others, they will. if an ego sees something they want, they will do what they can to get it. hence the ukranian situation.
but so what. it's all just humanity repeating itself, because it cannot see beyond itself.
xerox said:
I think this is what might have provoked Russia into attacking:
Okay, nevermind. Russia was justified to invade Ukraine. I concede the thread.
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