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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted September 17, 2014 04:15 PM |
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DarkLord said:
i think re-voting is a bad choice!
there should be option to vote only once, so people will choose more wisely and will take time to make their decision
rather then jumping from one option to another
That's not how our species operates  And besides, the flux of information is ongoing. You cannot make a meaningful decision without being properly informed.
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted September 17, 2014 04:30 PM |
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Well to be fair, if they had informed us properly in the first place, we might be better qualified to make the decision directly. I think the option to change votes is nice, however, even if it does make the voting less transparent.
Personally, I don't understand why they didn't make us choose the combination of units ourselves: Pick three cores units from a list of five, pick three elite units from a list of five, pick two champion units from a list of three. The units with most votes from each group get included, end of story. This would save us a lot of drama like people disliking a general line-up but wanting single units like the Unicorn in.
I understand the wish to tone the units against each other for balance, but most of the units could be turned in both an offense or defense direction as required to give suitable balance.
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Hotarubi
Known Hero
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posted September 17, 2014 04:34 PM |
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alcibiades said:
Personally, I don't understand why they didn't make us choose the combination of units ourselves: Pick three cores units from a list of five, pick three elite units from a list of five, pick two champion units from a list of three. The units with most votes from each group get included, end of story. This would save us a lot of drama like people disliking a general line-up but wanting single units like the Unicorn in.
Well said. That's kind of what I had assumed prior to the polls coming up.
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foxxxer
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted September 17, 2014 04:53 PM |
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I think it's good that you can change your vote whenever you want but Ubi shouldn't have shown the results till the end of the vote (like real elections). Many people here admited that they've changed their vote when Strength started losing points. If they hadn't known what was happening they would've stuck with their votes till the end.
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted September 17, 2014 04:59 PM |
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foxxxer said:
I think it's good that you can change your vote whenever you want but Ubi shouldn't have shown the results till the end of the vote (like real elections).
Ain't entirely true. People change what they are planning to vote all the time on account of election polls. To put this in properly, like a real life election, the voting should only be open on the last day or reset on the last day and people would have to recast their vote.
Which is gonna screw peoples who don't have the time or opportunity to vote on that specific date.
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foxxxer
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted September 17, 2014 05:07 PM |
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Edited by foxxxer at 17:10, 17 Sep 2014.
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I meant like real elections about the results not the first part of my sentence. If the people hadn't known the results there wasn't gonna be such vote reflux from Strength
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AcidDragon
Promising
Famous Hero
who lost his body somehow...
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posted September 17, 2014 05:33 PM |
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I agree.
Changing your vote is a good option and I still think that "voting campaigns" should be run, with people presenting arguments and trying to convince others.
But then if it comes to this that people abandon their preference, because at a certain point in time their option is last, then such voting results do not reflect reality. Instead of picking "the next best thing" or rather "the least worst thing" they should concentrate on getting more votes. Or sometimes - even just wait.
Also, if we didn't know the results until the very end, the vote would be less threatened by cheating, as potential cheaters wouldn't know if their option is winning or not and even if they decide to cheat, then they still won't know how many votes they need.
So yes, I'm all for hiding the voting results until the very end.
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Moriak71
Hired Hero
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posted September 17, 2014 05:36 PM |
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AcidDragon said:
I agree.
Changing your vote is a good option and I still think that "voting campaigns" should be run, with people presenting arguments and trying to convince others.
But then if it comes to this that people abandon their preference, because at a certain point in time their option is last, then such voting results do not reflect reality. Instead of picking "the next best thing" or rather "the least worst thing" they should concentrate on getting more votes. Or sometimes - even just wait.
Also, if we didn't know the results until the very end, the vote would be less threatened by cheating, as potential cheaters wouldn't know if their option is winning or not and even if they decide to cheat, then they still won't know how many votes they need.
So yes, I'm all for hiding the voting results until the very end.
Totally with you on this one. Hide the status till the end.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted September 17, 2014 05:46 PM |
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AcidDragon said:
So yes, I'm all for hiding the voting results until the very end.
Make us four.
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Wellplay
Famous Hero
Poland Stronk
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posted September 17, 2014 05:47 PM |
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Storm-Giant said:
AcidDragon said:
So yes, I'm all for hiding the voting results until the very end.
Make us four.
Make us five.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted September 17, 2014 05:58 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 18:01, 17 Sep 2014.
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I on the other hand think that voting for the second best to win is entirely legitimate. If you could not get your option, at least having a chance at your second best is something good. When people will see that the worst option got voted at 1% advantage from their second best you should expect rage. Because in case there was a majority who would have prefer that than the end result they should be free to know and act on that premise.
The talk about cheating is another thing. Not knowing a result won't stop cheating any less. In fact, not knowing would actually be the uncertainty one needs to keep cheating until the final result is revealed. And just so you know, I'm absolutely convinced that the amount of cheating one person can do is so minor that the vote won't be affected in the slightest.
Plus, the claims of cheating have to be verified first and foremost before any preventive measures are to be taken. Right now, that's only electoral slur against one side or another.
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CanWakhan
Hired Hero
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posted September 17, 2014 06:02 PM |
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Six 
I don't understand why officials won't say a word about possible cheating. It would cut off bad aura about voting and makes perfectly clear that everything is fine, clear atmosphere. The reasons why they are not doing so could be many - they don't care or can't verify it or simply truth would make bigger mess or etc.
Let's just hope they made game as bug free as possible, without never ending patches, and that mechanic will be improved and more interactive. And with unicorns, somwhere(even "over the rainbow") 
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blizz
Known Hero
of temper grace
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posted September 17, 2014 06:18 PM |
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I agree, it's a mistake they show the results as the voting is still going on. I'm 100% sure the results would be much different than what we currently have. I also hope they look into possible cheating in that lineup. It's just off.
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted September 17, 2014 06:39 PM |
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CanWakhan said:
And with unicorns, somwhere(even "over the rainbow")
I am 99% sure that Sylvan heroes will ride on unicorns. They are just horses with some kind of horn in the middle of their forehead, so making model of them shouldn't be difficult.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted September 17, 2014 06:43 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 18:44, 17 Sep 2014.
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Elvin said:
@Stevie
Unless balance also increased at the same time? For all you know, the current difference between strength and balance could be that the latter got more new voters rather than people switching. I am not making any accusations but according to math this is a possibility.
According to math, the probability of that happening is even remoter than the first case.
According to math, there is a possibility that all 3 line-ups have been compromised by cheating, but then again, that chance of that happening to match the results we saw is yet again even more remote.
According to math, the probability of multiple persons cheating at an even speed to ensure a perfect 36% stay for Balance, and a 10% influx of votes from Strength to Fury, is so low that you probably have better chances to win the lottery;
According to me this is all perfectly explained by the "They changed their minds" hypothesis which is by far the highest in probability. The "Cheating" hypothesis is based on nothing but pure speculation for the sake of votes.
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted September 17, 2014 06:52 PM |
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Definitely the votes should be hidden. It's both easier and more tempting to cheat when you can see how the votes are distributed.
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted September 17, 2014 06:54 PM |
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Stevie said:
According to math,...
According to math,...
According to math,...
Don't say this without showing your calculations. It gives off the impression that you're making things up. (Edit: Or worse.....)
Just sayin'.
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Alex_Yakub
Famous Hero
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posted September 17, 2014 07:00 PM |
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Dear Stevie, do you really think Strength voters would change their votes from defensive lineup to the loosing offensive lineup while defensive one still had a chance of winning?
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cleglaw
Famous Hero
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posted September 17, 2014 07:25 PM |
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CanWakhan said:
Six
count me in too.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted September 17, 2014 07:35 PM |
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Alex_Yakub said:
Dear Stevie, do you really think Strength voters would change their votes from defensive lineup to the loosing offensive lineup while defensive one still had a chance of winning?
The alternative would be to think that both Balance and Fury cheated via multi voting at an exact speed to replicate a 10% transfer of votes from Strength to Fury in an interval of less than 24 hours. The amount of time for one vote, precise percent calculation and sync co-op between Balance and Fury would make it so unlikely that if it weren't a special FBI operation, for the common user it would be practically impossible.
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