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TD
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted September 26, 2015 01:41 PM |
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Pawek_13 said:
Stevie said:
There isn't. This is a permanent feature. Gameplay tab doesn't show any option of the like.
Exactly! I was surprised when TD said that it could be switched off.
Sorry, I thought it was optional given that in the betas there was no such thing. I can't see why they would put such "feature" if you couldn't turn it on or off. I mean otherwise there is no point in making seperate base-model and then later put some stripes for example on it...
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properkheldar
Famous Hero
Keeper of books
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posted September 26, 2015 01:57 PM |
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Are the units always colour coded according to player colour, or only when facing units if the same faction?
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"Man spends his life in reasoning on the past, in complaining of the present, in fearing future."
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted September 26, 2015 02:03 PM |
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properkheldar said:
Are the units always colour coded according to player colour, or only when facing units if the same faction?
It's always the player's color, from what it seems.
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Neraus
Promising
Legendary Hero
Pain relief cream seller
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posted September 26, 2015 02:32 PM |
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Edited by Neraus at 14:33, 26 Sep 2015.
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I've seen the skeleton portraits...
So terribly awful... And mother Namtaru as a warfare machine? That's why they were hiding those.
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Noli offendere Patriam Agathae quia ultrix iniuriarum est.
ANTUDO
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted September 26, 2015 02:36 PM |
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Yup, it looks as bad as I feared. An unnecessary feature since you can recognize each unit stack through:
- Colored stack numbers (at first glance!)
- Hovering your mouse over any creature on the initative bar (at least it did in h5).
- Right-clicking on any stack in the battlefield.
But hey, popular unrelated games use them, like StarCraft, Age of Empires or Warcraft. Let's ignore the fact that those games are Real Time Strategy games where you need to recognize your units and the enemies at any moment, unlike here in a Turn Based RPG (because it's no longer a Strategy game according to them ) where you not only have all the time in the world to think your next movements, but also you can make use of smart design without being intrusive to the player, such is the case of colored stack numbers. Sigh...
Heroes has traditionally been a game where creature visuals enhanced the game visuals. Now player colors threat to ruin that immersion
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted September 26, 2015 02:40 PM |
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Hex said:
I don't get why they've added it. Nobody asked for it. I'm seriously pissed right now.
are you suggesting Limbic and Team Erwin are out of touch with the community? impossible, perish the thought lol
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natalka
Supreme Hero
Bad-mannered
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posted September 26, 2015 02:44 PM |
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Okay I get it this idea about color coding is absurd. But now is the time we can influence hopefully where specialization will go. I encourage you all to think about a single specialization and how it can be improved and write something constructive in my thread.
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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted September 26, 2015 02:52 PM |
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I don't really care about color coding creatures in a way that HVII does. It can stay or it can be removed, I don't mind.
But what is funny to me is that one of the arguments that 2D fans keep repeating is that it allows immediate recognition of the units. When devs make units distinct on the first glance in 3D, it is suddenly awful idea. lol
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted September 26, 2015 03:02 PM |
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dark-whisperer said:
But what is funny to me is that one of the arguments that 2D fans keep repeating is that it allows immediate recognition of the units. When devs make units distinct on the first glance in 3D, it is suddenly awful idea. lol
When was this said, actually?
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted September 26, 2015 03:39 PM |
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dark-whisperer said:
But what is funny to me is that one of the arguments that 2D fans keep repeating is that it allows immediate recognition of the units. When devs make units distinct on the first glance in 3D, it is suddenly awful idea. lol
You do realize recognizing what humanoid/beast/mythological creature each stack represents and being able to appreciate its details without being forced to apply an outrageous zoom is something completely unrelated to being able to tell which stacks belong to each player in combat, right?
But of course you do, you are just twisting some words in order to throw a cheap shot at a significant discussion and make everybody involved in that debate stupid.
Having fun right there, mate?
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted September 26, 2015 03:43 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 15:44, 26 Sep 2015.
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted September 26, 2015 07:43 PM |
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Storm-Giant said:
Yup, it looks as bad as I feared. An unnecessary feature since you can recognize each unit stack through:
- Colored stack numbers (at first glance!)
- Hovering your mouse over any creature on the initative bar (at least it did in h5).
- Right-clicking on any stack in the battlefield.
But hey, popular unrelated games use them, like StarCraft, Age of Empires or Warcraft. Let's ignore the fact that those games are Real Time Strategy games where you need to recognize your units and the enemies at any moment, unlike here in a Turn Based RPG (because it's no longer a Strategy game according to them) where you not only have all the time in the world to think your next movements, but also you can make use of smart design without being intrusive to the player, such is the case of colored stack numbers. Sigh...
Heroes has traditionally been a game where creature visuals enhanced the game visuals. Now player colors threat to ruin that immersion
"Feared" huh?Sounds like someone is being a drama queen,over such details. Ugh.
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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted September 26, 2015 08:06 PM |
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Storm-Giant said:
You do realize recognizing what humanoid/beast/mythological creature each stack represents and being able to appreciate its details without being forced to apply an outrageous zoom is something completely unrelated to being able to tell which stacks belong to each player in combat, right?
But of course you do, you are just twisting some words in order to throw a cheap shot at a significant discussion and make everybody involved in that debate stupid.
Having fun right there, mate?
I can recognize each creature without any problem in a fraction of a second and so can anyone else. Claiming anything different is twisting the truth.
I guess having less detailed model is making you appreciate it more. I don't understand that way of thinking, but who am I to judge your taste.
That 2D/3D discussion is actually insignificant because there is absolutely no chance that Heroes will revert to 2D graphic. There might be some mode to pixelize it (as we saw from UPlay awards) but 2D graphic will never return. If you want to waste your time on fruitless discussion be my guest, ill have my fun right here in the meantime. 
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted September 26, 2015 09:45 PM |
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Never say never... uh, right?
You may never know when things may go retro and start doing 2D. I ain't a marketing expert, but having something quite different for the customer could make a bit of an interest, like a spark.
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TD
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted September 26, 2015 10:03 PM |
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Well to be fair I did have trouble at times distinguishing some units in h7. It's not really matter of 2d or 3d though. It was simply the color palette(both battle-map and creatures) which is so plain combined with high camera. I have no problem distinguishing the units themselves from one another. In h5 and h6 I never had any kind of problem finding the units or knowing what they are. I really hope they will eventually tweak the colors to make the game feel magical/fantasy -like.
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Kayna
Supreme Hero
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posted September 26, 2015 10:59 PM |
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Admins, I am terribly offended by some of the disrespectful comments found in this 1152 page thread. Please close it temporarily and clean it.
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted September 26, 2015 11:19 PM |
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Kayna said:
Admins, I am terribly offended by some of the disrespectful comments found in this 1152 page thread. Please close it temporarily and clean it.
There are no admins, only mods. Even so, they'd have to review the whole thing first.
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Sleeping_Sun
Promising
Famous Hero
Townscreen Architect
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posted September 27, 2015 12:43 AM |
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And the offending thing is... what?
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Danny
Famous Hero
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posted September 27, 2015 07:15 AM |
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It's been going on like this since Necro-gate...
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted September 27, 2015 11:06 AM |
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Danny said:
It's been going on like this since Necro-gate...
What can you expect when H7 is reusing so much (bad) stuff?
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This MEGA THREAD is pages long: 
