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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted May 19, 2016 06:11 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 18:15, 19 May 2016.
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Well, I'm also a lurker on this forum, it's pretty sad that the most active thread in my case atm is the Hearthstone thread, a game completely unrelated to HoMM series. You can mainly find me there 
For all the people saying 'haters gonna hate' Heroes 7:
1. The game (and it's developers to that matter, even if the reasons for it's flop come from underbudgeting, we all remember the 'dedicated fans of HoMM series' from Limbic, 'active' to some point on these forums, who didn't know squat about past games obvious features) deserves to be bashed from every way possible. Maybe it will be a good game at the end of it's 'development' phase, maybe it's not it's fault for being an 'unwanted child', but the reason it should be bashed is to make sure Ubi will GET the message that what they're doing with the franchise is wrong. Unfortunately I can still see a lot of people who say "cool another Heroes game, gonna pick this up!". People like these are perfect 'targets' for Ubi...
2. Actually you hater-haters are the same: whereas we are critics of the game, you are enchanted by a game that's obviously mediocre at best and either don't see it's shortcomings or are completly deaf (or uninformed) about the policy Ubisoft has for this franchise (which is probably a perfect 'by-book' example on how a developer should not create another game in a franchise with such a pedigree). As such you also cling to your same arguments over and over again, and prefer to bash the bashers. So, to each our own
3. Because the game is bad (in our opinion of course), and most of us forum-goers don't even play it atm, we probably find joy only in bashing it, cause we don't have anything to talk about (don't mind me that's an obvious exeggeration ;P There are some really nice 'How to make things better' posts and fan projects). Get a life? I enjoy having conversations with people here, they have some of the best humorous distance 'on the market' ('Erwin-Spider Cult' or 'Ubi-fan interactions' to name the few examples). Even if I'm a lingering Ghost here I still enjoy the lingering.
In conclusion: people here know what they're doing, even if an 'outsider' sees them as a group of rumbling negatives. People like the lot here are the reason why this franchise still exist in the first place, and is not another Steam 90% off sales entry. They spark interest (be it bashing or 'Ashan-to-trashcan' modding), create mods and try to do something that will make this game something beyond pick-it-up-finish-and-forget even if only for a few people out there...
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Articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted May 19, 2016 06:35 PM |
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So, postponed for another 2 months... Not bad. I hope it is because they have learnt something from previous mistakes.
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Antalyan
Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
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posted May 19, 2016 06:37 PM |
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Articun said:
So, postponed for another 2 months... Not bad. I hope it is because they have learnt something from previous mistakes.
I really hope so.
Paradoxically, I will have much higher hope for this addon thanks to that 
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Important H7 tips & tricks
H7 Community Patch (UCP)
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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted May 19, 2016 06:38 PM |
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Good news indeed. Lack of information so close to release was really worrying.
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted May 19, 2016 06:44 PM |
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Antalyan said:
Paradoxically, I will have much higher hope for this addon thanks to that
Just so you know, H6 was delayed and it still was a mess (and in sucked) on the release.
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"Occam's shuriken: when the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas." -- Dr. Gordon Freeman (Freeman's Mind)
"lol" -- VERRIKER VON ERWINSSEN
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Antalyan
Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
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posted May 19, 2016 06:50 PM |
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frostymuaddib said:
Antalyan said:
Paradoxically, I will have much higher hope for this addon thanks to that
Just so you know, H6 was delayed and it still was a mess (and in sucked) on the release.
But datadisc needs usually much less work than whole game... 
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Important H7 tips & tricks
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted May 19, 2016 06:51 PM |
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Well, Rise of Hamsters is standalone, and given that vanilla game has a lot of issues, I doubt it will be much easier task.
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"Occam's shuriken: when the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas." -- Dr. Gordon Freeman (Freeman's Mind)
"lol" -- VERRIKER VON ERWINSSEN
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Antalyan
Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
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posted May 19, 2016 06:52 PM |
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted May 19, 2016 06:54 PM |
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Yet, development of H7 started on April 2013, and game still failed.
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"Occam's shuriken: when the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas." -- Dr. Gordon Freeman (Freeman's Mind)
"lol" -- VERRIKER VON ERWINSSEN
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Dies_Irae
Supreme Hero
with the perfect plan
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posted May 19, 2016 07:02 PM |
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No surprise that they delayed it, which has become somewhat of their policy by now . I hope they make good use of their extra time and roll out a product that has everything the vanilla game should have had from the start.
And I'll be there to buy it, with or without a strong pc to run it on.
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Articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted May 19, 2016 07:04 PM |
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To be fair though, all of us that read the article, understand that the team was understaffed, had constant cuts to their budget, their team leaders were incompetent to maintain coherency and in the end, there was almost no communication between the various teams.
The AI was written by one person and in the end, each person ended up doing whatever he/she could to release the game because the release date was not allowed to change.
Having the game postponed might indeed be good news. And contrary to Heroes VI (though i might be wrong) now there is much more input by fans that pinpoint bugs and other issues and also, the studio has not changed.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted May 19, 2016 07:10 PM |
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The first release date was way too early, it makes sense to push it for a later one.
Now, the interesting thing is wether they're actually using that time to improvem some areas of the game (Creatures abilities variety? Hero specializacions revision?). No additional content would be rather telling.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted May 19, 2016 07:18 PM |
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IMHO they postpone to avoid bugfest to the maximum in the goal of aiming to more positive reviews.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted May 19, 2016 07:18 PM |
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Next thing you're telling me Ubi is evil!
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted May 19, 2016 07:19 PM |
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nope, ubi does not speak "marketing". the probably delayed it because they tossed a coin or smth
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted May 19, 2016 07:21 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 19:22, 19 May 2016.
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Storm-Giant said:
Next thing you're telling me Ubi is evil!
Just clueless, greedy and with no genuine interest towards the community. 
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted May 19, 2016 07:22 PM |
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Dies_Irae said:
I hope they make good use of their extra time and roll out a product that has everything the vanilla game should have had from the start.
I don't think that 2 months is enough to accomplish that.
Dies_Irae said:
And I'll be there to buy it, with or without a strong pc to run it on.
This, I don't understand. Why would you do that?
Articun said:
To be fair though, all of us that read the article, understand that the team was understaffed, had constant cuts to their budget, their team leaders were incompetent to maintain coherency and in the end, there was almost no communication between the various teams.
The AI was written by one person and in the end, each person ended up doing whatever he/she could to release the game because the release date was not allowed to change.
Yes, that is a known thing. But how does that excuse the mess that H7 turned out to be? Why was such a team hired to develop a game that should be AAA game (it clearly isn't)? Why did Ubi decide to not invest money into H7, and charge it for 50 euros? (Let us remember them not delivering dvd with collectors edition, lol.) The answer is simple: they care only for profit, and they don't give a snow for users.
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"Occam's shuriken: when the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas." -- Dr. Gordon Freeman (Freeman's Mind)
"lol" -- VERRIKER VON ERWINSSEN
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Articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted May 19, 2016 07:28 PM |
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Your points are indeed valid. But as to why this specific team was tasked to make the game... I don't know. It is clear that Ubisoft does not really want to truly utilize Heroes as a franchise. It delivers some half assed games just to justify the existence of the branch.
But, this being beyond the point, the reasons why vanilla was so bugged could attribute to the above reasons i said. That this very team now managed to postpone the release of the game, could show maturity on their part and their own capabilities, as few as they may be. On the other hand, if your team has only a handful of people, no matter how much you work on something, things are bound to go wrong. Believe me, i have lived through similar situations. Some projects require specific amount of people and good management. Heroes VII seems to have had neither.
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Dies_Irae
Supreme Hero
with the perfect plan
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posted May 19, 2016 07:30 PM |
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It's not much time, but at least it's more time than until the original release .
And the reason I'll buy it is simple: Heroes. New game in the franchise, and I will have it in my collection. Maybe not a special hotshot edition like the vanilla CE (but that would depend on the price), but an edition nontheless. And if I can't run it on my pc, at least I have something to look forward to... 
I mean, I'm glad I haven't got to playing H7 yet. They had to fix a million things first. I will have to go through hell to download the batch-patch, but it'll be worth it.
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted May 19, 2016 07:33 PM |
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Dies_Irae said:
And the reason I'll buy it is simple: Heroes. New game in the franchise, and I will have it in my collection. Maybe not a special hotshot edition like the vanilla CE (but that would depend on the price), but an edition nontheless. And if I can't run it on my pc, at least I have something to look forward to...
Hm... I would never buy H7 nor H7 Rise of Hamsters because I think that it will do damage to my beloved franchise. Giving them money for this snow will just mean that they can continue producing snow and earn money by selling it.
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"Occam's shuriken: when the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas." -- Dr. Gordon Freeman (Freeman's Mind)
"lol" -- VERRIKER VON ERWINSSEN
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This MEGA THREAD is pages long: 
