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Sandro400
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posted April 02, 2015 04:46 PM |
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PandaTar said:
The project is not floating in limbo doing itself. Someone is responsible. Or should be.
Responsible for what actually?
Did they ruined the franchise? Na-ah, it extended over several titles and now we're waiting for H7.
Did H6 turn out as a crappy game? By all accounts yes, but if you ask me, it's because of a development hell. And I will again mention the code BH created for it, which was a severe obstacle for improving it. H6 was stillborn if you ask me and they shouldn't even bothered with giving it patches etc.
Is Ubi responsible for this? Yes, Ubi. Ubi as a company, not the M&M team - I separated those 2 entities long ago. Btw, not Ubi alone.
@Zombi, we don't even speak about Ashan now -_- However, I guess some fans (the same faces, yeah) blame everything for Ashan, it's Ashan that screwed H6! ^^
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verriker
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posted April 02, 2015 04:47 PM |
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Sandro400 said:
You want me to defend H6's crappy development? No please.
good man lol
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P.S.: Jeff Spock, the unhappy writer, later wrote an entire comic for Ubi. Quite strange if you ask me ^^
quite strange indeed, maybe they finally gave him the iota of authority he was craving, but at least we can rule him out as a suspect for the crap sibling story idea lol
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Sandro400
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posted April 02, 2015 04:56 PM |
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verriker said:
quite strange indeed, maybe they finally gave him the iota of authority he was craving, but at least we can rule him out as a suspect for the crap sibling story idea lol
How can the idea of sibling story be crappy? ^^
Anyway, AFAIK he indeed left Ubi, it seems due to some conflict. With whom - that we may only guess...
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PandaTar
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posted April 02, 2015 04:59 PM |
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Sandro400 said:
Responsible for what actually?
Oh, for the project, the game, the franchise, the whole thing, I wanted to say.
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Did they ruined the franchise? Na-ah, it extended over several titles and now we're waiting for H7.
They who?
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Is Ubi responsible for this? Yes, Ubi. Ubi as a company, not the M&M team - I separated those 2 entities long ago. Btw, not Ubi alone.
Yet, who is the one really in charge? In the end, it all comes to it, the source, the one who holds the power to say 'yes' or 'no'.
Whichever Ubi's flaws with this franchise, still enjoy some of their games. ^^
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Sandro400
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posted April 02, 2015 05:05 PM |
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PandaTar said:
They who?
Yet, who is the one really in charge? In the end, it all comes to it, the source, the one who holds the power to say 'yes' or 'no'.
I meant Ubi ofc.
That I do not know, however there should be a guy who gives money for franchise or doesn't give it. And money's the main thing in business.
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verriker
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posted April 02, 2015 05:06 PM |
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Sandro400 said:
How can the idea of sibling story be crappy? ^^
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well, it's not the mere idea of a story involving siblings that's crap (Heroes 2 was a simple sibling story and managed to make perfect sense, lol),
but for Heroes 6 I think it was pretty obvious to anyone with a brain that it's very contrived to have five siblings who all conveniently happen to get split up, all conveniently get assigned to a faction, all conveniently end up in positions of power in those alien factions despite the odds and all conveniently meet up again at the end along with their mother who is also conveniently in another faction
of course, you'd have to ask Sligneris for his take on why we should murder Erwin with a fork lol
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posted April 02, 2015 05:13 PM |
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That's the Verriker I know and like! 
However, that's the second jocular death-threat I witness on these forums ^_^ Quite surprised to see a fork this time, thought it would be a spider fang ^^
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verriker
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posted April 02, 2015 05:17 PM |
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don't look at me, Sligneris was the one who wanted to murder whoever invented the sibling plot lol
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LizardWarrior
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posted April 02, 2015 05:18 PM |
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Fork? I'd suggest a spoon
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Stevie
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posted April 02, 2015 05:28 PM |
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PandaTar said:
Yet, who is the one really in charge? In the end, it all comes to it, the source, the one who holds the power to say 'yes' or 'no'.
ERWAN. LE. BRETON.
He has the highest authority for the M&M Franchise inside Ubisoft. He holds the supreme power of allowing or vetoing ANY feature of the game. People failing to understand this simple fact even after all this time is ridiculous beyond reason.
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posted April 02, 2015 05:28 PM |
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verriker said:
but for Heroes 6 I think it was pretty obvious to anyone with a brain that it's very contrived to have five siblings who all conveniently happen to get split up, all conveniently get assigned to a faction, all conveniently end up in positions of power in those alien factions despite the odds and all conveniently meet up again at the end along with their mother who is also conveniently in another faction
Thank you verriker. But our princess is in another faction 
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posted April 02, 2015 05:31 PM |
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posted April 02, 2015 05:35 PM |
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Stevie said:
ERWAN. LE. BRETON.
He has the highest authority for the M&M Franchise inside Ubisoft. He holds the supreme power of allowing or vetoing ANY feature of the game. People failing to understand this simple fact even after all this time is ridiculous beyond reason.
*eyes the French guy suspiciously in a grumpy fashion - fluffy, nonetheless*
Never liked him nor his name.
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posted April 02, 2015 05:37 PM |
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Some fun posts here :-D
People really digging deep for their arguments, so deep they miss the forest for the trees.
I'm going to say this. Why did BH invest it's reserves even though they knew they will never come back? It was their decision.
Why did they have to do this? ubi's funding that is true, but both sides agreed to this, so who is to blame? Ubi gave the contract and BH agreed. They knew what they were going into. Still they made there decision. The fault here is on both sides. If the game, and it's sales, was as bad as the like posted her is trying to say, why did ubi even went through the stress of finding not one, but two companies to fix and expand it? A company, and especially one as greed as people want to make ubisoft look like, would not invest into a game that is a sinking ship. Not as much as they did. Look at M&M X. That game didn't sell well and as such it ended. One DLC few patches and away we go.
Ubi is not a saint. Many records in the past years show this, but blaming Ubi for a bunkrpcy of a company, that willingly made it's decisions is farfetched.
If you let yoursef be cheated, or tricked, you may think that the culprit is the evil one, but you added your part by letting him trick you, especially if you are an experienced company, which BH was. More then Limbic is righr now.
And Verriker, I'm not saying that the H6 story was good or anything, but the story it was based around was the IMHO the best in a heroes game I've seen. Better then H1-2-3 and 5 with all their addons. The individual stories ranged from medicore to really bad, based on your taste, but the entire story put together by from individual tiles you got was (again IMHO) a well thought through and interesting story. Try not to focuse who these brats are, but why are they were they are.
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LizardWarrior
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posted April 02, 2015 06:01 PM |
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And Verriker, I'm not saying that the H6 story was good or anything, but the story it was based around was the IMHO the best in a heroes game I've seen. Better then H1-2-3 and 5 with all their addons. The individual stories ranged from medicore to really bad, based on your taste, but the entire story put together by from individual tiles you got was (again IMHO) a well thought through and interesting story. Try not to focuse who these brats are, but why are they were they are.
The best? Dude, a blind chimpanzee which could write only the first 3 letters of the alphabet could conceive a deeper story with a much more immersive plot than that h6 crap for which they hired a special department. I could have forgive them if it was just put together by a few programmers and art designers in a hurry during a lunch break because they needed a story. But to actually hire people whose only job was to make a story, excuse me, but that must be some kind of joke
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posted April 02, 2015 06:01 PM |
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I still haven't found out who exactly wrote Heroes 6's story, and the only answer I got was "it was horrible, so it must've been Erwan, lol."
I don't particularly like to preach, but this is honestly getting boring by now.
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posted April 02, 2015 06:07 PM |
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Erwan is not the one who has made this awful engine, has written main story and dialogues, is not this bearded buy from videos who hailed the story
Besides, there is no eidence to believe that the letter has been written by someone from BH- I think it was written by an angry fan
And BH is (or was) very experienced company- so they should be blamed for all techncal mistakes (apart Conflux)
I have watched interview with Erwan (nor all, but firrst half- later wll se rest of it). His arguments are resonable, I like that they have abbandonded the old world cause continuing old sgory would ccreate even more mess
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verriker
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posted April 02, 2015 06:12 PM |
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JotunLogi said:
Besides, there is no eidence to believe that the letter has been written by someone from BH- I think it was written by an angry fan
nope, it was confirmed by some insider here that Black Hole wrote it lol
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posted April 02, 2015 06:24 PM |
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Stevie said:
PandaTar said:
Yet, who is the one really in charge? In the end, it all comes to it, the source, the one who holds the power to say 'yes' or 'no'.
ERWAN. LE. BRETON.
He has the highest authority for the M&M Franchise inside Ubisoft. He holds the supreme power of allowing or vetoing ANY feature of the game. People failing to understand this simple fact even after all this time is ridiculous beyond reason.
TOP.LEVEL.MANAGEMENT
It has the highest authority for the M&M Franchise inside Ubisoft. It holds the supreme power of allowing or vetoing ANY feature of the game. People failing to understand this simple fact even after all this time *are ridiculous beyond reason.
I mean i don't want to defend Erwan, he does have his part in what the Might and Magic franchise is like today but he is not almighty (though he probably likes to think that way  ). In the end it's the big guys with the money who make the final decisions. He did actually even mention this a few Times in your interview. By the way this is also what i think goes wrong in today's Gaming industry. A game is not really a game anymore but an economic product. Only what the money givers think would sell will be made with the problem being that they neither now nor care about what gamer really want.
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fuChris
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posted April 02, 2015 06:32 PM |
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Zeki said:
TOP.LEVEL.MANAGEMENT
The only thing management care about are budgeting, release dates and the returns on the investments.
Whatever else the working peasants(developers) do with the game they just don't give a sh*t about.
That is why they didn't give a cr*p about BH going bankrupt because the game made enough revenue.
So Erwan is still rightfully considered to be the Great Satan.
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