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cleglaw
cleglaw


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posted September 16, 2014 12:41 PM

blizz said:
red_flag said:
Very nice forest phoenix (if it can be named like this) picture


That actually looks amazing and perfectly fitting for Sylvan.


great image.

and i agree exactly. h6 redesigned phoenix, h7 can redesign it too.

..to fit slyvan. im expecting this to happen. creature itself is already philosophically fitting perfect(with resemble of rebirth cycles of life, changing seasons etc etc...), it just needs a update to become perfect all around.

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hammerhand
hammerhand


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posted September 16, 2014 12:42 PM

RMZ1989 said:
hammerhand said:
ChrisD1 said:
blizz said:

Coming from a guy who said he doesn't care about line-ups and creatures. Please. I bet you wouldn't mind Phoenix in fury if it happened.
Blowing things out of proportions for polls sake indeed.

The reason some of us want Fury is the lack of the Phoenix in it. Not "just because".
blob2 said:

@ChrisD1
You forget that creatures change their affinities in Heroes universe, even on a whim

And now I'm dying to see a moon imp in Sylvan,because it was on a whim.
Guys nomatter how you are gonna sell it Phoenix is a creature best left for Academy (which is actually included as a "magic bird").
You want a flying unit in Sylvan? Good. Phoenix is here to stay apparently.
But don't try to say it fits Sylvan because last century it went well there. It's Ashan now.


ok we don't talk about early homm games£¬we talk about cultures£¬some people include me have show that pheonixes can live in forest in many cultures and stories£¬why not in ashan£¿

and ubi never said pheonix don't fit sylvan as far as I know£¬so why did you said that£¿

They've never said that Phoenixes don't fit Sylvan, but we have Phoenixes as summoning units in Heroes 5(Ashan universe), we have Phoenixes as Academy units in Clash of Heroes(Ashan universe) and we have Phoenixes as neutral creatures in Duel of Champions(Ashan universe) and now, SUDDENLY Phoenixes belong to Sylvan?

I admit, I hate this unit with passion, but even if I didn't, this is absolutely ridiculous.

wolves use to be neutral unit£¬but they are going to human town. what if they eat children£¿

ubi want it£¬ubi explain. i don't see anything ridiculous

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NACHOOOO
NACHOOOO


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posted September 16, 2014 12:44 PM

VOKIALBG said:
Galaad said:
NACHOOOO said:
I think the strength option is perfect but it's been getting hosed these last few days.

Lacks flyers. Unicorn + Phoenix in the same lineup is the only true one.


Same here. Its the best one.


If Strength is still in struggle city in the last days of the vote will you change your vote to try and put your second option over the top?
I'm going away for a bit soon so I probably won't be able to keep track of it like I'd like to. I'm really torn, I want both the Treant as a champion and the root python

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Storm-Giant
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posted September 16, 2014 01:03 PM

Galaad said:
hammerhand said:

The reason some of us want Fury is the lack of the Phoenix in it. Not "just because".

All this Phoenix hate.. Incults posting nonsense getting 60+ up votes on official website, depressing. And the Academy magic bird's argument doesn't work for me as a) it will probably be different creature and b) huh, will someone actually pick Magic Bird when you have such awesome Titan ?

People are just hating the Phoenix for the sake of hating them.

Gameplay wise they can play veeeery different, since Magic Bird's name may be simple, but it gets to the point (focused on Magic...).

Not to mention Phoenix can and should have a different model.
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hammerhand
hammerhand


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posted September 16, 2014 01:11 PM

ChrisD1 said:
Birds are the new Dragons.
You say you don't want many humanoids in one faction but you want more birds in the entire game!
I really wanna see a vulture-like thing with orcs! or a naga! things change

pheonix and roc/thunder bird have been in one game many times

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Galaad
Galaad

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posted September 16, 2014 01:25 PM

As long as I have Unicorns, Hunters and Phoenixes I can cope with the rest.

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RMZ1989
RMZ1989


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posted September 16, 2014 01:32 PM
Edited by RMZ1989 at 13:36, 16 Sep 2014.

Sleeping_Sun said:
RMZ1989 said:
They've never said that Phoenixes don't fit Sylvan, but we have Phoenixes as summoning units in Heroes 5(Ashan universe), we have Phoenixes as Academy units in Clash of Heroes(Ashan universe) and we have Phoenixes as neutral creatures in Duel of Champions(Ashan universe) and now, SUDDENLY Phoenixes belong to Sylvan?

I admit, I hate this unit with passion, but even if I didn't, this is absolutely ridiculous.

So what if Phoenix changed factions throughout the games? Griffin has changed as well (Warlock H1 and H2, Castle H3, Nature H4, Haven H5 and H6). Why don't you all argue that Griffin doesn't belong to Haven? Some people like the fact that Griffin is no longer in line-up, but some people don't like it.
As much as I have read HC and mmh7 site, no one has come up with a good argument why Phoenix doesn't belong to the faction. The statements of "burning down the forests" and "oh, it is the second unit which is a bird" are just ridicules statements of people with no brains and lack of imagination, since this is an imaginary fantasy world created in virtual environment where logic needs not to be apply since it is not a real life, and since it is developer's adaptation of already existing lore, mythology, etc.

I've stated this already. H1-H4 was a thematic mix or random creatures, they all belong to many themes and you can always change few units between towns, depending on the town theme.
On the other hand, Ashan is different universe and they stopped doing that, because towns are no longer thematic mixes of creatures(most of them aren't) but are a lot closer to races.
Sylvan is Elven faction that also have creatures in it that are associated/tamed by Elves, same as Dungeon and Dark Elves, Fortress is Dwarven town. So that argument no longer stands.

So I am wondering how would you explain Phoenix suddenly switching from Academy/Neutral to Elves?

Heroes are no longer just a bunch of creatures mixed up together, of course they can do whatever they want with their game and f*ck it up however they want, but not many people will like that.

The most hilarious thing is that you are insulting people for having their opinion on how they dislike having more than one "bird" in Heroes game.

hammerhand said:

wolves use to be neutral unit£¬but they are going to human town. what if they eat children£¿

ubi want it£¬ubi explain. i don't see anything ridiculous

Yeah, except you forgot to mention the fact that Haven is now about Wolf Duchy that was always using Wolves.
Wolves are Wolves, they are not mythological creatures that were created by Magic like Phoenix is in this case.
Every faction can have Wolves... Orcs, Sylvan, Haven, you can even add them to Necro as undead kind of Wolves. Phoenix is something completely different.
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ChrisD1
ChrisD1


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posted September 16, 2014 01:40 PM

Storm-Giant said:

People are just hating the Phoenix for the sake of hating them.

Gameplay wise they can play veeeery different, since Magic Bird's name may be simple, but it gets to the point (focused on Magic...).

Not to mention Phoenix can and should have a different model.


No, I hate that suddenly the Phoenix belongs in Sylvan when it was a magic unit for Academy in CoH, a fiery unit in H5 and a Magic bird in H6. Mind you I am talking about Ashan. And we are still in Ashan.
It used to work for other universes. Not in Ashan.
If the magic bird in academy was called "phoenix" I wouldn't mind it at all.
Bring a bird to Sylvan, dress it with leaves, make it have a rebirth ability,make it have a defensive aura that hurts attackers,but please don't name it Phoenix for the sake of H4. It's extremely inconsistent to the lore. very mind-gnawing.
gameplay-wise a flying unit indeed rocks.

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hammerhand
hammerhand


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posted September 16, 2014 02:06 PM
Edited by hammerhand at 14:55, 16 Sep 2014.

RMZ1989 said:


hammerhand said:

wolves use to be neutral unit£¬but they are going to human town. what if they eat children£¿

ubi want it£¬ubi explain. i don't see anything ridiculous

Yeah, except you forgot to mention the fact that Haven is now about Wolf Duchy that was always using Wolves.
Wolves are Wolves, they are not mythological creatures that were created by Magic like Phoenix is in this case.
Every faction can have Wolves... Orcs, Sylvan, Haven, you can even add them to Necro as undead kind of Wolves. Phoenix is something completely different.


you see£¬you accept wolves because ubi explain it. I have not seen any explanation about why pheonix can not fit sylvan£¬ubi did not say.

Griffins use to be warlock town unit£¬but they joined human when nwc said human trained Griffins£¬we accepted. ubi must have some good explanation for pheonix.



as we said£¬pheonix fit forest in many cultures£¬and they are magical too.




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hammerhand
hammerhand


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posted September 16, 2014 03:03 PM

nobody mentions h6 pheonixes are different from h5 pheonixes£¿

h6 pheonixes are moonfire pheonix£¬deeling prime energy dmg instead of fire£¬who says they are fiery£¿

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Doomforge
Doomforge


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posted September 16, 2014 03:10 PM

ChrisD1 said:

Bring a bird to Sylvan, dress it with leaves, make it have a rebirth ability,make it have a defensive aura that hurts attackers,but please don't name it Phoenix for the sake of H4. It's extremely inconsistent to the lore. very mind-gnawing.
gameplay-wise a flying unit indeed rocks.


It's more for the sake of HoMM1 & HoMM2, where phoenix was a sylvan (sorceress) creature.
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verriker
verriker


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posted September 16, 2014 03:16 PM

ChrisD1 said:
It's extremely inconsistent to the lore. very mind-gnawing.


yep, welcome to Ashan, ChrisD4, where logic need never apply

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verriker
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posted September 16, 2014 03:16 PM

ChrisD1 said:
It's extremely inconsistent to the lore. very mind-gnawing.


yep, welcome to Ashan, ChrisD4, where logic need never apply

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JeremiahEmo
JeremiahEmo


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posted September 16, 2014 03:17 PM

I don't like the Sylvan theme because:
1) Horrid start. Really? Another boring opera woman? It's not even nature-y
2) Mid - end. Very good if there's no flute. The flute fits middle-eastern theme, not nature-esque.



Get rid of the flute and the boring woman and this theme will be perfect.

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Stevie
Stevie


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posted September 16, 2014 03:19 PM
Edited by Stevie at 15:22, 16 Sep 2014.

We're no longer in Enroth. We're in Ashan, as much as some might hate it. Furthering the inconsistencies with Phoenixes in Sylvan while they have been feature as Neutral and Shantiri/Academy will not redeem anything but make things worse.

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Avirosb
Avirosb


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posted September 16, 2014 03:40 PM

Inconsistency is pretty consistent when it comes to Ashan.

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ninjata12
ninjata12


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posted September 16, 2014 03:52 PM
Edited by ninjata12 at 15:54, 16 Sep 2014.

The best thing about Balance and Phoenix is that you can CHOOSE not to play with the bird. If you don't like it - just play with the dragon. But for the rest of the line-ups (Strenght and Fury) the main problem is with the core and elite units - there we have to use them and can't substitute them...
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hammerhand
hammerhand


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posted September 16, 2014 03:59 PM
Edited by hammerhand at 16:06, 16 Sep 2014.

Doomforge said:
ChrisD1 said:

Bring a bird to Sylvan, dress it with leaves, make it have a rebirth ability,make it have a defensive aura that hurts attackers,but please don't name it Phoenix for the sake of H4. It's extremely inconsistent to the lore. very mind-gnawing.
gameplay-wise a flying unit indeed rocks.


It's more for the sake of HoMM1 & HoMM2, where phoenix was a sylvan (sorceress) creature.

no£¬it is because there were always flier champion in forest£¬from h1 to h5£¬give me flying dragon I will give up pheonix.  

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Kurush
Kurush


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posted September 16, 2014 04:10 PM

ninjata12 said:
The best thing about Balance and Phoenix is that you can CHOOSE not to play with the bird. If you don't like it - just play with the dragon. But for the rest of the line-ups (Strenght and Fury) the main problem is with the core and elite units - there we have to use them and can't substitute them...


You want to substitute the UNICORN??!!!

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cleglaw
cleglaw


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posted September 16, 2014 04:20 PM

JeremiahEmo said:
I don't like the Sylvan theme because:
1) Horrid start. Really? Another boring opera woman? It's not even nature-y
2) Mid - end. Very good if there's no flute. The flute fits middle-eastern theme, not nature-esque.



Get rid of the flute and the boring woman and this theme will be perfect.



please describe me what is nature-esque.

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