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blizz
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posted September 12, 2014 08:24 PM

I would prefer if Ubi only posted lineups without describing each strategy and unit abilities. How can they even know so far in advance how the faction will function. People are acting as if what those descriptions say is set in stone.

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posted September 12, 2014 08:26 PM

Says the guy with the white tiger avatar....


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posted September 12, 2014 08:27 PM

Storm-Giant said:
@ChrisD1: It seems we already have 2 slow factions (Haven, Necropolis), no need to add more. Besides, Sylvan balanced option relies a lot on entangling, which isn't a Erwan 'rush now, think later' approach either


ON this note.

Sure we have 2 more defensive factions. but also 2 more offensive, and the next vote (Inf vs Dung) will bring in an aggresive faction for sure.
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posted September 12, 2014 08:28 PM

adriancat said:
Do you expect Ubi's Phoenixes to be like in Heroes 2 ?? I'd say they'll make it BLUE like in Heroes VI. We can't see fire in the forest, and Ubi will not make this mistake. And the bird lovers will be sad when the game comes out with a "Moon Phoenix" .

P.S. Vote for Strength of the Forest folks !! We can't let the classic Unicorn out of Sylvan

No, but I hope they do!

Anyway weren't H6 phoenix from the moon? I understand this phoenix would be the traditional ones...and who says their fires burn everything they touch? They live in a Magical world, after all
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ChrisD1
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posted September 12, 2014 08:30 PM

Storm-Giant said:
@ChrisD1: It seems we already have 2 slow factions (Haven, Necropolis), no need to add more. Besides, Sylvan balanced option relies a lot on entangling, which isn't a Erwan 'rush now, think later' approach either

yes but the treant is not an obligatory choice. you want quicker units then choose the dragon! and dryads will not be EXCLUSIVELY treant supports. they will have other uses too as a unit.
why would you want to not have diversity and the ability to choose between two very different and distinct champion units?
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posted September 12, 2014 08:31 PM

Wow. Really? I started reading 4 pages and I ended up reading 6!

As for the vote, I had just found something so compelling that I simply had to vote for Fury: my brother made me do it.

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Alex_Yakub
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posted September 12, 2014 08:31 PM
Edited by Alex_Yakub at 20:32, 12 Sep 2014.

Hah, birds (read: pheonixes) eat ticks and flies of horses (read: unicorns), so no competition there
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posted September 12, 2014 08:32 PM

ChrisD1 said:
why would you want to not have diversity and the ability to choose between two very different and distinct champion units?

Green & Phoenix are different creatures to my eyes

Besides, treants are always boooring to play, no one wants them. Phoenix, on the other hand, are cool
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adriancat
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posted September 12, 2014 08:34 PM

Storm-Giant said:
adriancat said:
Do you expect Ubi's Phoenixes to be like in Heroes 2 ?? I'd say they'll make it BLUE like in Heroes VI. We can't see fire in the forest, and Ubi will not make this mistake. And the bird lovers will be sad when the game comes out with a "Moon Phoenix" .

P.S. Vote for Strength of the Forest folks !! We can't let the classic Unicorn out of Sylvan

No, but I hope they do!

Anyway weren't H6 phoenix from the moon? I understand this phoenix would be the traditional ones...and who says their fires burn everything they touch? They live in a Magical world, after all


When you say you HOPE, it means you didn't have enough of Ubi's Blue Moon Birds. Can't you see that there will be too much flying units in H7 ? Or you just don't care ?

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Alex_Yakub
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posted September 12, 2014 08:37 PM

I don't have a problem with flying units in general, but pheonix is just too similar to Academy's magic bird for me.
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TDL
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posted September 12, 2014 08:37 PM
Edited by TDL at 20:38, 12 Sep 2014.

ChrisD1 said:
Storm-Giant said:
@ChrisD1: It seems we already have 2 slow factions (Haven, Necropolis), no need to add more. Besides, Sylvan balanced option relies a lot on entangling, which isn't a Erwan 'rush now, think later' approach either

yes but the treant is not an obligatory choice. you want quicker units then choose the dragon! and dryads will not be EXCLUSIVELY treant supports. they will have other uses too as a unit.
why would you want to not have diversity and the ability to choose between two very different and distinct champion units?


You need to realize that in order to construct a good lineup for both singleplayer and multiplayer replayability, you need to make sacrifices such as diversity. Make tiers have 4 units with 3 eligible and you'd have the diversity. But since we are presented with a 3+3+1/2 it means you cannot have overly different units to balance them out. Else they will just get chosen 100% of the time.

They are trying to build a game to last a lifetime - to do that, balancing is vital. Choices need to complement the whole lineup's strategy, not change it.

P.S. Also, you need to factor in the resource costs. If treants are easier to buy than say phoenixes or dragons, and you can buy them quicker in multi games, people will be forced to go that route in order not to lose out on weekly growth and early creeping. And if they are slow and sturdy it will just prolong gameplay and potentially not make it any easier with champion units. We do not need one more overly defensive faction.
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posted September 12, 2014 08:38 PM

adriancat said:
Can't you see that there will be too much flying units in H7 ? Or you just don't care ?

Weird to hear that when every announced faction has a walker champion, and Haven being so ground based
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adriancat
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posted September 12, 2014 08:40 PM

Storm-Giant said:
adriancat said:
Can't you see that there will be too much flying units in H7 ? Or you just don't care ?

Weird to hear that when every announced faction has a walker champion, and Haven being so ground based


Yes, but if the Earth's Balance wins, Sylvan will break this rule

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ChrisD1
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posted September 12, 2014 08:40 PM

Storm-Giant said:
ChrisD1 said:
why would you want to not have diversity and the ability to choose between two very different and distinct champion units?

Green & Phoenix are different creatures to my eyes

Besides, treants are always boooring to play, no one wants them. Phoenix, on the other hand, are cool


both flyers both with very high attack.
and if they are boring there is an extra reason to not vote for the phoenix line up which makes treants obligatory as an elite!!!
you do realize that you won't be able to play with both champions at the same time right?
so next argument please *hair flip*
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LizardWarrior
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posted September 12, 2014 08:40 PM

Treants vs Dragons, most will choose dragons obviously. Treants are too defensive, that's quite against the concept of Sylvan/Rampart/Nature, people won't choose a slow, defensive unit over the great speed and damage. Sacrificing map movement and chance at starting first ( I don't except the treants to have high initiative) won't be worth for choosing treants, except if they give some crazy abilities to compensate, but I highly doubt it.

Dragons vs Phoenixes, in terms of strategy they seem to be very similar: flyer, offensive, fire breath. Dragons will get higher stats to compensate for the Phoenix Rebirth, but they still are way too similar. They could do Faerie Dragons which would act as offensive shooters/spellcasters and Phoenixes to be heavy damage sources, like in h4, that would make them slightly different.

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Galaad
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posted September 12, 2014 08:41 PM

Alex_Yakub said:
I don't have a problem with flying units in general, but pheonix is just too similar to Academy's magic bird for me.

Have you seen the Phoenix yet to compare ?

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RMZ1989
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posted September 12, 2014 08:41 PM
Edited by RMZ1989 at 20:44, 12 Sep 2014.

Storm-Giant said:
ChrisD1 said:
why would you want to not have diversity and the ability to choose between two very different and distinct champion units?

Green & Phoenix are different creatures to my eyes

Besides, treants are always boooring to play, no one wants them. Phoenix, on the other hand, are cool

No, not really.

I like Treants the most out of any Sylvan units, I could care less about any of them being removed. Since I really want Treants as champions instead of elites I've voted for Strength of the forest.

Treants being elites isn't bad at all, but only if we could get something else instead of Phoenix... I dislike those stupid creatures even more than Griffins, they are like Griffins used in every god damn epic game/universe there is. And on top of that we have freaking Magic Birds for Academy champion, that is recolored Phoenix.

I have a feeling that Strength of the Forest has the best lineup, considering that it has few new units and it still has Sylvan signature, Unicorn.
Galaad said:
Alex_Yakub said:
I don't have a problem with flying units in general, but pheonix is just too similar to Academy's magic bird for me.

Have you seen the Phoenix yet to compare ?

We saw Phoenixes in H6 and they are reusing a lot of old models from H6(like Magic Bird is almost identical to the Moon Phoenix from H6), I don't think that they will suddenly stop doing that.
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Protolisk
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posted September 12, 2014 08:42 PM

Storm-Giant said:


Besides, treants are always boooring to play, no one wants them. Phoenix, on the other hand, are cool


Speak for yourself on that "no-one wants treants".

And I have to disagree with you on those phoenixes. They aren't cool. They are hot. Very hot.

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Alex_Yakub
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posted September 12, 2014 08:43 PM

Galaad said:
Alex_Yakub said:
I don't have a problem with flying units in general, but pheonix is just too similar to Academy's magic bird for me.

Have you seen the Phoenix yet to compare ?

No, but they both are just big birds, that's all
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Storm-Giant
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posted September 12, 2014 08:45 PM
Edited by Storm-Giant at 20:46, 12 Sep 2014.

RMZ1989 said:
No, not really.

Likes SwarmHosts? Check
Likes Treants? Check

You are literally worse than hitler

LizardWarrior said:
Dragons vs Phoenixes, in terms of strategy they seem to be very similar: flyer, offensive, fire breath. Dragons will get higher stats to compensate for the Phoenix Rebirth, but they still are way too similar. They could do Faerie Dragons which would act as offensive shooters/spellcasters and Phoenixes to be heavy damage sources, like in h4, that would make them slightly different.

I'm not sure if Phoenix would have Fire Breath. From their (brief) description they don't.

+1 to Faerie Dragons though
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