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Thread: Boy... they sure did MISTREAT this franchise This thread is 11 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 · «PREV / NEXT»
Kronos1000
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posted December 27, 2014 07:37 PM

Some very interesting points about Heroes 4 here, it looks like there was a lot I didn't know about it. I think it's funny that, despite everything, the game turned out quite good. It seems plausible that the backlash to the Forge town did play a significant part in all of this. Thanks for the info people.
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okrane
okrane


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posted December 27, 2014 07:50 PM

Zenofex said:
Galaad said:
Apart Ashan...
Don't understimate that please. Ashan with its unforgiving triviality and brainless characters is what had effectively destroyed a big part of the game's allure. Scrap Ashan, ignore the fact that Heroes V was a major disaster before Tribes of the East, pretend that the whole Heroes VI fiasco didn't happen and you will get the vast majority of the fans approving of the post-NWC Heroes. Unfortunately that would be a like cherry-picking with an excavator, don't you think?


that and the fact that even at the latest TotE patch to date the game's performance is abysmall (memory leaks, low framerate even on today's computers) and the AI is simply crap.

You cannot make a single player oriented game with crap AI else it will just not last.

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okrane
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posted December 27, 2014 07:53 PM

Zenofex said:
Galaad said:
Apart Ashan...
Don't understimate that please. Ashan with its unforgiving triviality and brainless characters is what had effectively destroyed a big part of the game's allure. Scrap Ashan, ignore the fact that Heroes V was a major disaster before Tribes of the East, pretend that the whole Heroes VI fiasco didn't happen and you will get the vast majority of the fans approving of the post-NWC Heroes. Unfortunately that would be a like cherry-picking with an excavator, don't you think?


that and the fact that even at the latest TotE patch to date the game's performance is abysmall (memory leaks, low framerate even on today's computers) and the AI is simply crap.

You cannot make a single player oriented game with crap AI else it will just not last.

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bloodsucker
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posted December 27, 2014 11:57 PM
Edited by bloodsucker at 00:45, 28 Dec 2014.

Darkem said:
I don't think that use of terms like "murder"/"rape"/"butchery" in conversation about inanimate object/franchises is justified. It's a little bit too much. I DO love the M&M games, but we shouldn't trivialize previously mentioned words.


Like LOVE?

verriker said:
and even after all that, I think Heroes IV is still a way more interesting game than Heroes V and Heroes VI lol


Agreed. I didn't knew this interview but it just confirms what I tought about the game. The was not a proper development of the AI. For me this resumes the problems with H4, I even dare to desagree with Mullich and say the extensive role playing was a plus.

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adriancat
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posted December 28, 2014 11:07 AM

For me, it doesn't seem that they destroyed the franchise. Just think about it, in an age where MMOs, Shooters and Simulator games are the only games profitable, they still work for a Strategy TBS game. I think that Heroes VII is on a good way now (or at least much better than Heroes VI was ).

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adriancat
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posted December 28, 2014 11:09 AM

For me, it doesn't seem that they destroyed the franchise. Just think about it, in an age where MMOs, Shooters and Simulator games are the only games profitable, they still work for a Strategy TBS game. I think that Heroes VII is on a good way now (or at least much better than Heroes VI was ).

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Rakshasa92
Rakshasa92


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posted December 28, 2014 12:39 PM

Something with

1) Dragon Gods
2) Annoying, childish colors
3) Bad storylines
4) Horrid units
5) Race-based units that take half of the town (dwarves, snow elves and  humans)
6) Bugs, bugs, bugs
7) The fact that they talk to us everytime with HELLO HEROES! (so annoying)
8) Boring neutrals.

Enough reasons why HOMM3-stuff should come back.

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okrane
okrane


Famous Hero
posted December 28, 2014 03:15 PM

adriancat said:
For me, it doesn't seem that they destroyed the franchise. Just think about it, in an age where MMOs, Shooters and Simulator games are the only games profitable, they still work for a Strategy TBS game. I think that Heroes VII is on a good way now (or at least much better than Heroes VI was ).


I don't think this is the case.
Depends on how much you invest into it and how much you hope to get back from it.
As I was saying in the 2D thread, if you don't invest millions into making a 3D graphics game and you focus on gameplay and strategy you will hit your target audience.

There are lots of TBS games being made these days and I doubt they are having troubles. Eador, AoW, Xcom, etc

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verriker
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We don't need another 'eroes
posted December 28, 2014 04:17 PM

Rakshasa92 said:
Something with

1) Dragon Gods
2) Annoying, childish colors
3) Bad storylines
4) Horrid units
5) Race-based units that take half of the town (dwarves, snow elves and  humans)
6) Bugs, bugs, bugs
7) The fact that they talk to us everytime with HELLO HEROES! (so annoying)
8) Boring neutrals.

Enough reasons why HOMM3-stuff should come back.


Hello Heroes!

My name is Erwan Le Breton, Might & Magic Content Director at Ubisoft.

Discover Ashan, the world of Might & Magic since 1986!

In the world of Ashan, all of the different factions have very good reasons to justify their existence and their ongoing struggles with the rival nations. All of the characters have legitimate motivations and credible mindsets. The drama is tight, focused on a long chain of major events that covers millennia of spoken myths and written history.

We are pleased to announce you nobody is all good, and nobody is pure evil. Any character (and the heroes above all) could choose to be a villain or a hero at the moment. Its a lot like life as we know it!

Here is where the avalanche starts, and its going to be a hell of a ride down.

The M&Ms team

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okrane
okrane


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posted December 28, 2014 08:40 PM

Nocturnal said:
Again, another "oh why don't they just copy our childhood game" thread and another H3 fanboy unable to praise his game without saying some bad things about H5 first which (TotE) is five times better than H3 for me.

Don't play the other games and stop complaining then. There is no "this game sucks" thread by me on H6 forums and that game sucks for me. Guess what? I don't play it and that's it.

H7 is not even out and you are sure it will be bad. With this mentality you will not like any other new Heroes game even if it turns out to be immensely better than H3.

And, on a side note, I recommend you to read your thread's title putting yourself in a raped woman's place. It's horrendous that people use this word, which stands for a nightmarish experience that ruin people's psychology, this easily.


TotE might be better design wize, but it's kind of unplayable...
Ever tried playing an XL map on that game: after 1 hour or so the game starts slowing down because all the memory leaks and the AI usually shuts himself down in his town and just waits for you to finish.

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Galaad
Galaad

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Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
posted December 28, 2014 11:41 PM
Edited by Galaad at 20:10, 29 Dec 2014.

okrane said:
TotE might be better design wize, but it's kind of unplayable...
Ever tried playing an XL map on that game: after 1 hour or so the game starts slowing down because all the memory leaks and the AI usually shuts himself down in his town and just waits for you to finish.


You need Unnofficial patch 3.1, Eternal Essence (Quantomas improved AI), and eventually HV Graphics overral if you care about better textures.
If your CPU is not something like 10 years old it should run good enough. AI still slow but faster, so you can at least play M maps without much trouble, if not 8 players, L are OK.
If I'm not mistaken Quantomas is working on a new version of the AI, which would be even faster.
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Nocturnal
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posted December 29, 2014 02:52 AM

okrane said:


TotE might be better design wize, but it's kind of unplayable...
Ever tried playing an XL map on that game: after 1 hour or so the game starts slowing down because all the memory leaks and the AI usually shuts himself down in his town and just waits for you to finish.



It's not like me to give up on a game because it slows down on xl map with 8 players while every other thing is great.

Ever tried Disciples III? If not, you'll see what "design-wise good, but unplayable" is
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GenyaArikado
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posted December 29, 2014 04:09 AM

Nocturnal said:
Again, another "oh why don't they just copy our childhood game" thread and another H3 fanboy unable to praise his game without saying some bad things about H5 first which (TotE) is five times better than H3 for me.

Don't play the other games and stop complaining then. There is no "this game sucks" thread by me on H6 forums and that game sucks for me. Guess what? I don't play it and that's it.

H7 is not even out and you are sure it will be bad. With this mentality you will not like any other new Heroes game even if it turns out to be immensely better than H3.

And, on a side note, I recommend you to read your thread's title putting yourself in a raped woman's place. It's horrendous that people use this word, which stands for a nightmarish experience that ruin people's psychology, this easily.


you tell'em V

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Avirosb
Avirosb


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No longer on vacation
posted December 29, 2014 10:15 AM

Zombi_Wizzard said:
It's expresion that is prety well known and is part of "internet and gaming culture" since it's beginnings. And is not to be taken in offensive way, because it's not directed towards you or me or any of people here.
Doesn't make using it any less moronic but hey, it's not like "internet and gaming culture" long to be taken seriously anytime soon.

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artu
artu


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My BS sensor is tingling again
posted December 29, 2014 10:55 AM

Nocturnal said:
Again, another "oh why don't they just copy our childhood game" thread and another H3 fanboy unable to praise his game without saying some bad things about H5 first which (TotE) is five times better than H3 for me.

Don't play the other games and stop complaining then. There is no "this game sucks" thread by me on H6 forums and that game sucks for me. Guess what? I don't play it and that's it.

H7 is not even out and you are sure it will be bad. With this mentality you will not like any other new Heroes game even if it turns out to be immensely better than H3.

And, on a side note, I recommend you to read your thread's title putting yourself in a raped woman's place. It's horrendous that people use this word, which stands for a nightmarish experience that ruin people's psychology, this easily.


Well, the same logic can be applied to your post, cant it? If you dont like people criticizing something then simply dont read it and dont post on such threads. How is that any different? No, the thing is, positive or negative, feedback is an important thing and trying to convince people to agree with you is one of the basic foundations of any modern civilization. You are doing exactly the same thing and there's nothing wrong with it.

And about reacting to the use of the word rape as a figure of speech, I dont know if to call that oversensitive to the point of naive or politically correct to the point of absurd but in both cases it is abysmal. Words like kill, rape, destroy etc.. will always have metaphorical usage in any language. Needless to say, to get killed is even worse than getting raped but if you take out phrases and metaphors containing the word kill from any language, you might as well cross off half of its richness. It's mindless stuff like this that makes people repelled from the mentality and turns them away from reconsidering their stance in situations where they can indeed be more sensitive.
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RMZ1989
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posted December 29, 2014 10:55 AM

okrane said:
Nocturnal said:
Again, another "oh why don't they just copy our childhood game" thread and another H3 fanboy unable to praise his game without saying some bad things about H5 first which (TotE) is five times better than H3 for me.

Don't play the other games and stop complaining then. There is no "this game sucks" thread by me on H6 forums and that game sucks for me. Guess what? I don't play it and that's it.

H7 is not even out and you are sure it will be bad. With this mentality you will not like any other new Heroes game even if it turns out to be immensely better than H3.

And, on a side note, I recommend you to read your thread's title putting yourself in a raped woman's place. It's horrendous that people use this word, which stands for a nightmarish experience that ruin people's psychology, this easily.


TotE might be better design wize, but it's kind of unplayable...
Ever tried playing an XL map on that game: after 1 hour or so the game starts slowing down because all the memory leaks and the AI usually shuts himself down in his town and just waits for you to finish.


Yeah, that was like... 7 years ago.

On PCs made today, there is no problem with running H5. I don't have any problem running TotE, and played with my friends for a 5+ hours on a bigger maps. On top of that, my PC is 4 years old, of course it isn't really old but it isn't exactly new either.
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Avirosb
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posted December 29, 2014 11:25 AM
Edited by Avirosb at 11:26, 29 Dec 2014.

Problems like too few maps, no random map generator, scenery obscuring resources - and me getting a black screen whenever the AI moves - still persist however.

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Pawek_13
Pawek_13


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Maths, maths everywhere!
posted December 29, 2014 11:37 AM

Avirosb said:
Problems like too few maps, no random map generator, scenery obscuring resources - and me getting a black screen whenever the AI moves - still persist however.

There is a random map generator in ToE. If you open single player or multiplayer and choose option "create a map", there opens random map generator. Need for constant map rotation is one of Heroes V downsides. It was fixed in Heroes VI and as seen from Heroes VII gameplays it won't come back. Speaking about sluggish AI - well, at least each faction has its own waiting tune and that's cool but I agree, it could be quicker.

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Rakshasa92
Rakshasa92


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posted December 29, 2014 12:04 PM

Let's all agree that HOMM5+6+7 are probably good for little children.

Because they hate old times, old style, old graphics, graphics over gameplay and they just like WOW, I hate the WOW-age.

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Avirosb
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No longer on vacation
posted December 29, 2014 12:52 PM
Edited by Avirosb at 12:52, 29 Dec 2014.

Pawek_13 said:
There is a random map generator in ToE. If you open single player or multiplayer and choose option "create a map", there opens random map generator.
Thanks. I probably knew about this at one point but forgot about it.
I only ever owned one copy of H5 (w/o the expansions) and has since lost it.

The few times I do play (or attempt to play) H5 it's in hotseat mode with a cousin.

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