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Thread: Boy... they sure did MISTREAT this franchise This thread is 11 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 · «PREV / NEXT»
artu
artu


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My BS sensor is tingling again
posted December 31, 2014 05:02 PM

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I keep away from your kind in our country in real life, don't need to break that rule on the net on a game forum.

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Spare me. No more. Some people are unable to evolve. I have to understand that and stop getting my hands dirty after some point.

Yes, obviously, you have evolved to such a higher degree of sensitivity that you masturbate about your self-assured political correctness by reinventing linguistics, yet, see no problem in desperately trying to belittle people when it comes to the actual context itself because you can not handle the fact that your argument got refuted. If only I could manage to be as repelling as you... but I don't need that, I can actually use words to display "your kind" for what they really are: Someone who thinks they can appear smarter or high-class by memorizing an idiotically structured misconception because pseudo-intellectuals tell them its progressive. Guess what, those pseudo-intellectuals that you parrot are doing that because they have nothing of substance they can come up with themselves in the first place. What a loser...

Torture is a crime and inhumane, it is also more target-specific than rape, now unless you can come up with some theory that explains why it's okay to use the word torture figuratively but not rape, which you can't, you are done. And I am perfectly fine in terms of political correctness, when I say it has been torturous trying to explain things to you that can even be comprehended by an imbecile who was anesthetized by a moron.
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kiryu133
kiryu133


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Highly illogical
posted December 31, 2014 05:14 PM

yeah maybe on their sixth, seventh, eighth attempt hue hue hue

I wonder whether everyone will stop buying the games if they continue failing to figure out their arse from their elbow
then they'll probably cancel the series and blame it on the changing market instead of their own cheap laziness, lol


god i wished this wasn't so very, very true

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dark-whisperer
dark-whisperer


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Darkness feels no mercy
posted December 31, 2014 05:22 PM

kiryu133 said:
yeah maybe on their sixth, seventh, eighth attempt hue hue hue

I wonder whether everyone will stop buying the games if they continue failing to figure out their arse from their elbow
then they'll probably cancel the series and blame it on the changing market instead of their own cheap laziness, lol


god i wished this wasn't so very, very true


Whata bunch of cr@p.

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verriker
verriker


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We don't need another 'eroes
posted December 31, 2014 05:42 PM

dark-whisperer said:
Whata bunch of cr@p.


and what a cerebral, scintillating and witty rebuke, please do go on

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Zombi_Wizzard
Zombi_Wizzard


Famous Hero
posted December 31, 2014 07:42 PM

Idk about you, but this time i have quite high hopes for this series. I think H7 is turning out quite good.... I mean, i don't care about Ashan, but we have some decent things here. I disliked H6 mostly coz of this:

- Only 2 "main" hero per faction to choose from (will hopefuly be fixed in H7)
- Town portals way of the charts (will be fixed in H7)
- Non-random skills + no skill-wheel (will be fixed in H7)
- Town conversations (will be fixed / will not exist in H7)
- Artifacts that require campaign to be finished, to have (hopefuly in H7 there won't be any, i mean they said there's no dynasty weapons so...)
- No magic guilds + spells are same as skills (magic guilds will return, spellbook will return, spells will be seperate and random in H7)
- no classic factions - sylvan + dungeon (this will be in H7 from start)

Then there were some things in H6, that I liked, which will ALL be kept:

- Zones of control + "rading enemy mines"
- 3-tiers of creatures (+ it will be improved)
- Creatures can attack walls in siege battles. (hopefuly this will remain)
- Outposts (i think)
- cover mechanics in battles (this was one of the best features in H6 to me)

I mean ... all of these makes me feel like H7 will be very good. And to me these are most important. unit design, graphics, lieups, resources, townscreens and what not are all important, but minor things. They don't influence my view of series at all, IF all other things are good. And yes lore and story comes to me in this category, unless, as i said before campaign will be vastly diferent (as i posted in this thread), than in any of the games before. Then i might care about it. But this is unlikely to happen.


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bloodsucker
bloodsucker


Legendary Hero
posted December 31, 2014 08:56 PM

artu said:
Zero originality isnt something the mods edit and "X game killed my family" is quite a dysfunctional metaphor.


Depends on context, one of the major complaints of one of my exs was that I spended more time plaing Heroes then being with her. When she left she took her three dogs (that I cared about) with her so I could say Heroes distroyed my family or saved my life (depending on context). Boy that was a disfunctional relation!


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artu
artu


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My BS sensor is tingling again
posted December 31, 2014 08:58 PM

That is a real story, bloodsucker, not a metaphor.
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dark-whisperer
dark-whisperer


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Darkness feels no mercy
posted December 31, 2014 09:40 PM
Edited by dark-whisperer at 21:43, 31 Dec 2014.

verriker said:
and what a cerebral, scintillating and witty rebuke, please do go on

Well, your cerebral, scintillating and witty statement got answer it deserves.

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bloodsucker
bloodsucker


Legendary Hero
posted December 31, 2014 09:47 PM

artu said:
That is a real story, bloodsucker, not a metaphor.


But if I say "heroes killed my family" is a metaphor, gotcha?

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artu
artu


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My BS sensor is tingling again
posted December 31, 2014 09:49 PM

Extremely circumstantial, but true.
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verriker
verriker


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Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
posted December 31, 2014 09:53 PM

dark-whisperer said:
Well, your cerebral, scintillating and witty statement got answer it deserves.


lol, 1.5/10

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bloodsucker
bloodsucker


Legendary Hero
posted December 31, 2014 10:02 PM
Edited by alcibiades at 23:33, 31 Dec 2014.

artu said:
Galaad said:
Well I agree some people can be over-sensitive, but should mods ignore them?

Yes.


Yes.

(...)


salamandre said:
Same here. I spent thousands of hours on this game, yet I still have no clue what ashan or erathia are, only seeing people using those words around.


No, this is bad. When Artu said "did you ever read a game script you consider good literature?" I thought of your introduction to "Time of Profecy". You should be one of the guys reclaiming the value of plots, I think.

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alcibiades
alcibiades


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Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
posted December 31, 2014 11:36 PM

Moderator note: There seems to be a lot of negative energy going on in this thread. Should I take it that the topic has run its course and should be closed? If not, please refrain from attacking each other at every chance you get.

PS: I edited above post. I don't think the content was wrong as such, although I didn't really understand the point, but there was a potential bomb in it, so ... sorry if I nuked a brilliant point, but I'm too tired to get around it in another way.
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artu
artu


Promising
Undefeatable Hero
My BS sensor is tingling again
posted January 01, 2015 02:09 PM
Edited by artu at 14:47, 01 Jan 2015.

You presume caregorical differences when there is none, your reasoning is not actually reasoning, it is an arbitrary pick. You havent explained anything regarding the word torture, you tried that with the word kill, saying it was not gender specific. Aside from the fact that a word's figurative use has nothing to do with the sociological aspect of rape mainly being a gender specific action, that also applies to words like slave and torture. Not everybody was victimized by slavery or torture, they are associated with specific groups of people, just like rape is.

And you are the one who does the derailing, I have offered you every opportunity to present your so called argument in the proper thread, stop twisting the facts.
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Zombi_Wizzard
Zombi_Wizzard


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posted January 01, 2015 03:10 PM

w8 rape is gender specific? ever herad of prisons? I bet you'll be safe there with only men locked together right? lol

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Galaad
Galaad

Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
posted January 01, 2015 05:11 PM

kiryu133 said:
there are several interesting ideas that just weren't implemented well like weapons that would level with your hero. i mean that sounds very fun and interesting, they should've just made it into a normal artifact that would level with your hero and would not level with your account.

I never played with Dynasty weapons, I completely boycotted them due to 1) Online exclusive 2) Destroyed purpose of proper artifacts.
And my personal preference regarding "upgrading artifacts" really goes to as system closer to this one.

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blood/tear system could be incredibly interesting and add a lot of depth and town conversion is something that, once again, could be very well made. WoG had it and while it was too time-consuming and expensive there, it was still a welcome addition.

I support having Town Conversion as an enable option, as they are doing with random/non-random skillsystem. I find the feature to be, yet not meaning necessarily in a bad way, changing too much the gameplay.

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i really want to see a good implementation of the blood/tear system), failed miserably at being enjoyable or even playable.

I would rather have multiple heroes, each having its own specialty.
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Storm-Giant
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On the Other Side!
posted January 01, 2015 08:13 PM

Galaad said:
kiryu133 said:
there are several interesting ideas that just weren't implemented well like weapons that would level with your hero. i mean that sounds very fun and interesting, they should've just made it into a normal artifact that would level with your hero and would not level with your account.

I never played with Dynasty weapons, I completely boycotted them due to 1) Online exclusive 2) Destroyed purpose of proper artifacts.
And my personal preference regarding "upgrading artifacts" really goes to as system closer to this one.

Damn right. Artifacts gaining experience is just too difficult to balance. It's a bit like creature experience, with the hero already claiming experience and developing his skill set it feels superfluous to have anything else getting experience. On the other hand, Set Artifacts (which H5 pushed them a bit further by giving some bonuses with just a fraction of the full set of artifacts) are an excellent way to get a 'sense of upgrade' with artifacts, specially when not all bonuses are limited to owning wearing the full set.
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bloodsucker
bloodsucker


Legendary Hero
posted January 01, 2015 08:33 PM
Edited by bloodsucker at 20:33, 01 Jan 2015.

Storm-Giant said:
It's a bit like creature experience, with the hero already claiming experience and developing his skill set it feels superfluous to have anything else getting experience.


No, creatures gainning experience is a must. Just look at disciples, if you can pass some high experience low level creatures to low level heroes you can develop lesser heroes much faster and avoiding many losses. I'm not sure if we are going to have an ilimited number of heroes like in Heroes 3 and 4 or just 8 or less like in Heroes 5 but experienced creatures with special habilities is funny and has a strategic use that can positivly affect game play.

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Galaad
Galaad

Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
posted January 01, 2015 08:34 PM

Bloodsucker,
No creature stack experience changes gameplay A LOT. What I love most in WoG is being able to enable or disable options according to my mood.
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bloodsucker
bloodsucker


Legendary Hero
posted January 01, 2015 08:47 PM
Edited by bloodsucker at 20:52, 01 Jan 2015.

@Galaad - Ok, the selectable options is what makes Wog so special. And If they implemented that, with some facilities to mod the game, Heroes 7 would have the potencial to be a great game.
But big companies don't bet on customization; it turns difficult to sell poor expansions.

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