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Thread: Boy... they sure did MISTREAT this franchise This thread is 11 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 · «PREV / NEXT»
mike80d
mike80d


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posted December 29, 2014 02:35 PM

JeremiahEmo said:
well, H5 was good. H6 was a disaster. As for H7, I don't see it being as good as H5 but they're welcome to prove me wrong.


This is my thought exactly.  I actually liked Tribes of the East.

Lately all I've played are H2-H4, and while there's several nice things I'd take from H4 it too has fatal flaws and I think H7 will be better than it.  
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artu
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posted December 29, 2014 02:40 PM

Avirosb said:
Overuse of certain words for the sake of being edgy only serve to desensitize, and in turn trivialize serious matters.

That is creating a problem out of nothing. Once again:
artu said:
And about reacting to the use of the word rape as a figure of speech, I dont know if to call that oversensitive to the point of naive or politically correct to the point of absurd but in both cases it is abysmal. Words like kill, rape, destroy etc.. will always have metaphorical usage in any language. Needless to say, to get killed is even worse than getting raped but if you take out phrases and metaphors containing the word kill from any language, you might as well cross off half of its richness. It's mindless stuff like this that makes people repelled from the mentality and turns them away from reconsidering their stance in situations where they can indeed be more sensitive.


There is not a single person on this earth who would be more sensitive to the action of rape, had the word not been used as a figure of speech.
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Avirosb
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posted December 29, 2014 02:51 PM
Edited by Avirosb at 14:56, 29 Dec 2014.

artu said:
That is creating a problem out of nothing.
Happens all the time but gradually.

artu said:
There is not a single person on this earth who would be more sensitive to the action of rape, had the word not been used as a figure of speech.
That's what I'm saying, thanks to figure of speech most people are now okay with it.

Also, killing is pretty much universal and pretty much a requirement.
We kill animals for food, we don't like intruding insect or vermin,
we kill to inadvertently prevent overconsumption and overpopulation, etc.

Rape has none of those advantages, only the offender benefits from the deed.  

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artu
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posted December 29, 2014 02:54 PM

Read the sentence again, that's not what I said, and to claim people are less sensitive to the action because the word is used in a figurative way is just as meaningless as banning it.
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Salamandre
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posted December 29, 2014 02:56 PM

Nocturnal, your problem is that you run for authority first, and think second, if ever. I am sure the poster would have quickly agree to change its title if you simply asked, saying it hurts you.

But no, you choose to ignore the multiple definitions of "rape" -check dictionaries if in doubt, you can learn at any age- then focus only on the definition which hurts you. The word isn't even used as metaphor or speech form, it is correctly used.

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Avirosb
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posted December 29, 2014 02:56 PM

artu said:
Read the sentence again, that's not what I said, and to claim people are less sensitive to the action because the word is used in a figurative way is just as meaningless as banning it.
Or contesting it.

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Pawek_13
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posted December 29, 2014 02:58 PM

Dave_Jame said:
Avirosb said:
Dave_Jame raises a good point.
Ubi is more like a pimp than a sex offender.


In other wrords The games were ok-ish. usually.
They had problems but also were made by Ubi

Sadly Ubi has a bad habit of not looking after it's "line-up" THis is not M&M only. Most brands under ubi suffer from this (AC, FC, Prince oP etc.)

Ubisoft does not make bad games. Although Heroes VI is not liked by M&M fans it was still considered to be quite good (look at metacritic score). Anyway, their games are good but in nearly every one of them something is overlooked. If it is not bad marketing (DoC), it is a poor decision with game release (Rayman Legends) or, usually bugs. Lots of them. The only game from revent years where everything "clicked" was Assasin's Creed IV and Just Dance games (nobody speaks about them, so I guess everything is all right). Let's hope that they have learnt from their mistakes and in 2015 Assasin's Creed Victory and Heroes VII will turn out to be good games.

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Avirosb
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posted December 29, 2014 02:58 PM

Salamandre said:
The word isn't even used as metaphor or speech form, it is correctly used.
Meh, the franchise liked it.

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Salamandre
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posted December 29, 2014 03:03 PM

ok avirosb, because you just like to argue for nothing, lets end it. Please check then tell us: the use of rape word here is fitting:

1st or 2nd definition? (you can choose another dictionary if you want)

Then we are done.

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Avirosb
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posted December 29, 2014 03:05 PM
Edited by Avirosb at 15:07, 29 Dec 2014.

Quote:
ok avirosb, because you just like to argue for nothing, lets end it.
Not for nothing, I'm doing this for entertainment. Over would be correct.

Quick question tho: Would the HoMM franchise be a place, a person or a turnip?

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GenyaArikado
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posted December 29, 2014 03:25 PM

Im glad they changed the title. While rape may have grown to have other meanings, using such a strong word to talk about something so...relative feels idiotic.


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Avirosb
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posted December 29, 2014 03:28 PM

Bringing up the word in any other than its intended context during everyday conversation would definitely be considered a faux pas where I'm from.

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artu
artu


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My BS sensor is tingling again
posted December 29, 2014 03:34 PM
Edited by artu at 15:53, 29 Dec 2014.

nocturnal said:
It's absurd that people can try to justify things that are wrong in an obvious way. To get killed and be raped is not in the same category. Everyone dies. Everyone can get killed by someone. But rape? Most (%91) of the people that are raped are women and nearly all (%99) of the rapists are male. And only men use the word rape in sentences in this way like the title of this thread. Men do it to women, ruin their lives and then use it in casual sentences like it is this light word. This is, of course, again because of sexism. No naivety or absurd oversensitivity here, it is a simple act of sexism. The use of this word in this way when nearly all women experience some kind of sexual assault in action or words in their lives, when it is found that, nearly 20% of all women surffer rape or attempted rape sometime in their life and when it is also estimated that only 1 in 7 rapes are being reported, this kind of justification can only be called cold-blooded. Your logic of comparing "kill" and "rape" would only be right if only women died and men were immortal. Then the use of the word "kill" in this casual way would also be sexism. Your, as a male, calling this irritation this word causes on responsible citizens "oversensitive" can only be translated as "yeah, men rape, get over it"


That is quite illogical on many levels. The action itself and the word used as a figure of speech (although it has other meanings as well, for arguments sake, let's say the sexual one is or should be the only meaning) are irrelevant things, in terms of sensitivity. People don't normalize the act of sexual rape, when the word is used metaphorically, there is absolutely nothing suggesting such a causality. And the crime mainly being gender specific has nothing to do with the issue either, what then, if I say "the company sure works his employees like they are slaves,"  should black people be offended? This is not sensitivity, this is mixing apples and oranges on a very primary level. How about torture? Not everybody goes through torture, in fact, I'm quite positive, even less people are tortured, than raped, should I not say "the new Heroes game was so bad, it was a torture trying to play it!" How about animals, I love dogs but I can use the word in a pejorative way when talking about someone who's sucking up to his superiors. Is that insensitive?

There is nothing obvious(-ly wrong) about any of your presumed relationships between use of figurative speech and crime rates. Btw, if you additionally presume I am insensitive to women's issues just because I read the context when it comes to metaphors, you can check the threads and my posts about feminism itself on this very site. Nobody has to walk on egg-shells about figurative speech, just because you are trying to invent new ways to be able to act self-righteous.

Edit: And when it comes to the article, the real problem is not figurative speech but the patriarchal norms in India, I think it would be much wiser to focus on this part rather than some person writing "they played so bad my ears got practically raped" on his blog:

Indeed, the leader of one of India's political parties, Abu Azmi, recently said: "Women should not venture out with men who are not relatives. What is the need for roaming at night with men who are not relatives? This should be stopped. Such incidents [as the Delhi gang-rape] happen due to influence of western culture."

Mumbai Police Commissioner Satyapal Singh angered many earlier this year, after a 22-year-old photographer was raped in Mumbai, by suggesting that a "promiscuous culture" that allows kissing in public made the city less safe for women.

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Salamandre
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posted December 29, 2014 03:38 PM

And where I am from "rape" is translated by "viol". Or "viol" is also a powerful literary word which is over used in all artworks, it meaning is similar to english "violated".

So, before everyone spurts like a damsel, you should understand that this forum is not essentially english, people may use english words which seem to them appropriate, thus don't playing offensive and run for authority first, but talk directly and explain. As I said, I am sure the poster would have agree to change. You didn't even ask, you accused first.

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Avirosb
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posted December 29, 2014 03:39 PM

artu said:
Nobody has to walk on egg-shells about figurative speech, just because you are trying to invent new ways to be able to act self-righteous.
Egg-shells? Why would you even?

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Avirosb
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posted December 29, 2014 03:41 PM

Salamandre said:
So, before everyone spurts like a damsel, you should understand that this forum is not essentially english, people may use english words which seem to them appropriate, thus don't playing offensive and run for authority first, but talk directly and explain. As I said, I am sure the poster would have agree to change. You didn't even ask, you accused first.
People who to them doesn't English well should take double action try not come off as offensive so much.

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Galaad
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posted December 29, 2014 03:52 PM
Edited by Galaad at 02:50, 14 Jan 2015.

Zenofex said:
Galaad said:
Apart Ashan...
Don't understimate that please.

I don't. And you are right to underline it.
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artu
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posted December 29, 2014 03:52 PM

Avirosb, dont troll when you have nothing left to say.
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dark-whisperer
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posted December 29, 2014 03:57 PM

This whole thing is driven to absurdity.
Like it or not that word IS used for other meanings then sexual in everyday language. Its imperative to look for meaning beyond words.
If you get offended just by seeing four letters in particular order without taking into account what person that has written that had in mind (and it very, very clear that it had absolutely no sexual context)is immature and its putting blame where there is not one.
Its case like feminists being offended by Dr Matt Taylorís shirt. At the end it made them look petty, it diverted and diminish attention from real problems that women experience every day and it was detrimental to the true feminist movement.
When you have honorable intentions its very important to react only when its truly needed and then do it with full force otherwise you just dilute core cause.
Pick your fights and react when substance of word is intolerable not form of it.

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Avirosb
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posted December 29, 2014 03:57 PM
Edited by Avirosb at 16:00, 29 Dec 2014.

artu said:
Avirosb, dont troll when you have nothing left to say.
I believe I asked a question.

All the people writing long essays about how offended the other party is.
SMH. Anyway, I'm off to celebrate someone's birthday.
Happy holidays folks, don't get raped by bad weather now.

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