thGryphn said:

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I think we have substantial knowhow on balancing, so I don't see that as a problem. I'm rather concerned about game engine's capabilities. If a new faction requires changes to the exe, that might be the real problem.

Also, regarding graphics, porting creatures is one thing, townscreen and adventure buildings is yet another... Considering all the 3D and 2D textures, it would be a lot of work.

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Bulya said:

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Wouldn't say so.

Unless you switch it for some other faction, which for me will be boring as it will be all about new graphics, it becomes very tricky.

For example, now we have 4 evil factions and 4 good factions. Each faction having 18 heroes apart for Stronghold and Haven (an evil one and a good one) each having 2 more (20 heroes).
So when you rescue a hero from a prison or have the option to hire a hero out of your own faction in the tavern, you have about the same chance of getting a hero from an evil faction as a hero from a good faction (with a slight advantage to a hero from the other aligned faction, as you already have heroes and they are aligned to your faction, be it evil or good).
So if we add say 18 more heroes, they will all be evil or all be good. Which means rescuing such a hero from a prison makes things unfair, as if its an evil faction evil factions in general will have an edge when they rescue a hero from a prison, same goes for the tavern.

So you can say, ok let them be neutral. But then, what happens to the morale if a neutral hero commands a good / evil creature?
And I don't think a neutral faction will be that interesting, as it will likely be the faction of elementals, or something like that.

This is just an example, there are many other issues that can come.
If we make it too strong then in a PvP it is likely to be picked way more often. If we make it too weak, then nobody will play it, and it will be hard buffing it as the weak points of that faction won't be revealed unless somebody plays it.

I think lately PvP is becoming more popular, so balance is more important then it was before. You can have a different mod with another faction in it, but I don't think it will fit H5.5 that well, unless done in a very good way.

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Bulya said:

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If so I think you play a very different games then the one me and my friends play.

Which perhaps means that doing that for the sake of adding a faction not caring about balance will ruin the game we play.
So it actually means that it will have to be a different mod.

BTW, another issue is the AI. Will the AI handle the new faction well? As it will have new stuff that he is unfamiliar with, unless you switch it for an existing faction and just change the graphics and make the stats and abilities the same as it is now (which is the boring way of doing it, in my opinion).

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magnomagus said:

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currently it is not possible to affect those kind of morale bonuses

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magnomagus said:

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now I read it again, I actually thought you were talking about something else, I don't think I want to change this at all, since the current system is realistic, completely what players expect and not an issue in any way.

Also just as a general note, I'm not going to ask Quantomas about every little random idea that pops up, he has enough on his plate already.

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Bulya said:

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Check the Sandro's cloack artifact to prevent mind immunities.
Didn't check its whole potential, but it can make you us mind control on undead creatures.

I think using it on something like red dragons, bersekers, and others that have simple mind immunity has to do it, just like it has in the description.

But I didn't check it on elemental creatures for example, so I could be wrong here.

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dredknight said:

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@Rimmgrabber a couple of rules that define MMH55 class system:
- Combat, War Machines, Leadership are Might only skills
- Sorcery, Occultism, Destruction are Magic only skills
- Sorcery and Leadership never go together.
- Combat and Occultism never go together.
- All heroes should have Enlightenment, Luck and Logistics

You may also want to check
this read for in-depth description.

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Your proposals are a good start but a couple of points should be taken such us:
- Make the new classes as different as possible from existing ones
- Decide the affinity of the faction - :
---> Is it going to be clean slate: Default Might, Default Balanced, Default Magic classes (Fortress, Sylvan, Necro, Dungeon)
---> Is it is going to be tilted to one side - Might affinity (like Haven and Stronghold), Magic affinity (Academy)
---> Is it going to be default but with huge disparity between classes (Inferno primary skill chances)

Those questions got to be answered based on the lore of the faction.
And I think you can fill a lot of the blind spots here .

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