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posted March 28, 2022 12:14 AM |
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He's getting old, mught have had/having a brush with mortality, living in an echo chamber, blind to the dilapidation of the army, not have a good grasp of the ultimate ability/will of his subordinates to carry out task at 'the edge', which is to say they'll work for him but don't want to die for him.
Don't you think that Putin isn't alone? In some sense he represents a large group of people with certain interests. And they, I'm sure, see everything. Also it's impossible to promote own ideas without any support. This is true for any head of a state.
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posted March 28, 2022 12:19 AM |
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That article pushes one opinion, not a fact. There is no evidence, at least from Putin public speeches, then he wants to "conquer" Ukraine. Quite the opposite. Beside, Mearsheimer says same thing, conquering Ukraine would be untenable for Putin. Drum roll failed.
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posted March 28, 2022 12:20 AM |
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That article pushes one opinion, not a fact. There is no evidence, at least from Putin public speeches, then he wants to "conquer" Ukraine. Quite the opposite. Beside, Mearsheimer says same thing, conquering Ukraine would be untenable for Putin. Drum roll failed.
Have you read the interview with Zelensky banned by Roscomnadzor? There are evidences that this was the initial plan.
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posted March 28, 2022 12:24 AM |
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AlexSpl said:
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Don't you think that Putin isn't alone? In some sense he represents a large group of people with certain interests. And they, I'm sure, see everything. Also it's impossible to promote own ideas without any support. This is true for any head of a state.
Yes, It is not an easy task to rise to his position, for someone of his cognitive composition, but ultimately there are 'blindspots'.. or perhaps stubborness, or he didn't care if the chance of success is low.. (deathwish)
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posted March 28, 2022 12:24 AM |
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Where Putin said that he wants to restore the Soviet Union?
Where Putin said that Ukraine does not exist as a nation?
All those articles use the common "it seems", to create alternative reality.
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posted March 28, 2022 12:30 AM |
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Well, it would be very unprofessional to say so. Still, there is circumstantial evidence - the infamous leaked article by ria.ru and full dress uniform, which Zelensky spoke about in the interview.
Btw, there is nothing new in the interview. Cannot understand why Russian media fear to publish it.
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posted March 28, 2022 02:18 AM |
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Ukraine promises "immediate investigation" after video surfaces of soldiers shooting Russian prisoners - https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-03-27-22/index.html
Don't know what to say if this is true...
This is exactly why wars should be banned. But by whom? God? People are just despicable.
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It's hard not to kill those who wouldn't hesitate to kill you. This is the main reason why diplomacy should be the only option allowed (in the ideal world, of course). And why does diplomacy fail? Because people are too stupid, they need nuclear weapons behind arguments to see the power of words.
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posted March 28, 2022 03:12 AM |
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posted March 28, 2022 03:47 AM |
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Zelensky breaks all patterns. He is as close to the people as possible. People used to see presidents who keep distance beetween them and their nation. Zelensky is not the case. Maybe this is the reason why he is so popular in Europe.
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posted March 28, 2022 03:58 AM |
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posted March 28, 2022 08:51 AM |
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Salamandre said:
That article pushes one opinion, not a fact. There is no evidence, at least from Putin public speeches, then he wants to "conquer" Ukraine. Quite the opposite. Beside, Mearsheimer says same thing, conquering Ukraine would be untenable for Putin. Drum roll failed.
Maersheimer is also opinion, not fact. It's even factually false. He says that no one would have said Putin was an aggressor before 2014 - which is wrong. 2008 and Georgia has started procedures.
You'd also say that the idea that Russia is getting to determine the government for some of their neighbor states is preposterous. If you want to live on good terms with your neighbors you have to give them reason to, not force them into compliance.
I think, that you can turn the argumentation around. Maersheimer says that the No. 1 opponent of the US are China, therefore the US should have tried to make Russia an ally and be out of Europe. But what is the situation for Russia? The situation is that they are delivering resources to Europe and therefore are economically tied every much to the EU. The new gas pipeline in the Baltic Sea was an object of friction between the EU and the US who have tried to prevent it while the EU was positive about it.
So Russia had a lot of shared economic interest with the rest of Europe, somewhat competing with the US in that regard. So going from there, the logical Russian policy is to try and strengthen ties with the EU and China.
You don't do that by attacking a neighbor country. You do that by diplomacy.
Meaning, even IF Maersheimer was right, Russia has been acting wrong.
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posted March 28, 2022 09:57 AM |
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Salamandre said:
Where Putin said that Ukraine does not exist as a nation?
In his speech for example. We heard a familiar argument that the Kremlin has pushed for years: that Ukraine’s claim to statehood is entirely baseless. Putin explicitly denied that Ukraine had ever had “real statehood”
He made similar comments in his essay.
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posted March 28, 2022 10:55 AM |
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"Thanks to the efforts of Ukrainian nationalists and generous injections from international organizations, already on an international scale in the 1990s, a special, different from the all-Russian version of history was taking shape, designed to convince and populate the inhabitants of Ukraine from Russians, to break the country out of the Russian civilizational space. And since all really significant historical characters who were born or acted on the territory of Ukraine were
closely connected with the Russian state, a new pantheon of heroes had to be created from what was left. That is, to elevate to the rank of national heroes anyone who opposed Russia: from historical losers to outright maniacs. A hero is not just a picture in a textbook, it is a stereotype of behavior. And what will it be like if a schoolchild is called to follow the example of the embezzler Mazepa, who betrayed all benefactors, the pogromist Petlyura, the terrorist and Nazi Bandera, the organizers of the massacre from the OUN ...
And the denial of the Soviet period inevitably led to admiration for the Third Reich, which numerous little leaders began to cosplay with varying degrees of success. In combination with a general drop in the level of education, this led to the fact that more and more aggressive chauvinists
became in society, not burdened by such chimeras as morality and conscience, but confident that they are the superior race, which can do anything.
And the eight-year war with Donbass only strengthened the basest traits of Ukrainians, giving tens of thousands of people the opportunity to shoot live targets with impunity, rob for their own pleasure, and even enjoy the status of “heroes” at the same time. It is not surprising that the level of violence in society began to rise sharply, especially since the patriot militants and their bureaucrats who had gone astray into gangs were practically untouchable for law enforcement officers. This sense of impunity has led so many Ukrainians to sincerely consider themselves invulnerable to both justice and those whom they offend in word or deed.
So Ukraine objectively needs a sobering cold soul that will bring the drugged to life and wash away the incurable from the face of the earth."
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posted March 28, 2022 11:04 AM |
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That made me throw up in mouth a little bit. Disgusting propaganda.
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posted March 28, 2022 12:11 PM |
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I believe that very talented people live in Ukraine. However, she did not have an independent political figure who would bring positive meanings to Ukrainians. With the exception of Nestor Makhno - but he was not a Nazi, he worked on the implementation of ideas that were really useful for Ukrainians, and not on the mythical "Ukrainian identity".
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posted March 28, 2022 04:58 PM |
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Lol Sal, complaining about binary thinking and then claiming 2 billion people think it’s okay to rape women wearing mini-skirts is quite ironic.
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posted March 28, 2022 06:28 PM |
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It is not what I said.
But binary thinking people will indeed conclude this is what I said.
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posted March 28, 2022 06:28 PM |
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posted March 29, 2022 01:27 AM |
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Salamandre said:
It is not what I said.
But binary thinking people will indeed conclude this is what I said.
Ok, complaining about binary thinking and then claiming about 2 billion people think that women wearing mini-skirts are more or less responsible for their own rape is quite ironic.
Half of those people are women and among them tens of thousands wear mini-skirts to begin with.
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posted March 29, 2022 01:48 AM |
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I believe that very talented people live in Ukraine. However, she did not have an independent political figure who would bring positive meanings to Ukrainians. With the exception of Nestor Makhno - but he was not a Nazi, he worked on the implementation of ideas that were really useful for Ukrainians, and not on the mythical "Ukrainian identity".
I believe there are no any "identities" at all. So-called "national identity" is just an instrument preventing people from freely choosing a country where they want to live, work and rise their children. The same I would say about language. Language is also an instrument working against freedom of choice. You cannot compete with native speakers of the country of your dream. You will always be an outsider if you are not smart enough to rise above artificially created language barriers. "All animals are equal but some are more equal than others", citing George Orwell. The ultimate goal of humanity is to have equal rights for every individuum. This does not eliminate competition. On the contrary, it makes it fair. Native language is not something a person should be proud of. Actually, you make no effort to learn your native language. You should be proud of learning languages of other people if your really want to communicate with them. This is a real achievement. And even if you don't agree with me, think about what made English the international language. Wars? No, English is the international language because of hi-tech (I speak not about digital hi-tech alone), at least, in my book.
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