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Ghost
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Therefore I am
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posted February 28, 2022 03:30 PM |
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Stop state capitalism and changes a new economic politics spoke oligarchs, because today system what West can do sanctions..
So they can take a Indian model..
Slow, when Ukraine and Russky talk a peace.. No answer yet!
So it after what Biden and UN say.. But Ukraine wanted to join EU..
Yes Finland is joining Nato, because over 50% supporters now..
No comment..
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Kayna
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posted February 28, 2022 04:21 PM |
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My heart goes out to the people of Ukraine, stuck between the Russian oligarchs and Angela Merkel's furry Therian nation roleplay group.
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purerogue
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posted February 28, 2022 04:48 PM |
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How dishonorable is it to have everyone think you died a hero, only to still be alive and a POW?
oops
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gnomes2169
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posted February 28, 2022 05:10 PM |
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purerogue said:
How dishonorable is it to have everyone think you died a hero, only to still be alive and a POW?
oops
... You're blaming the prisoners for not immediately correcting everyone and saying they were still alive? You know. The people who have been imprisoned. And can't communicate with anyone. Who the Ukrainian navy has been saying might be alive since Saturday.
I just... want to make this as clear as possible. You're calling those prisoners of war dishonorable? Right?
Salamandre said:
50% of russians believe NATO is responsible for the crisis, only 4% believe Russia is the aggressor.
And Sal, look at the date on your source. It's 14.12.2021. This is more than two months before the invasion began, and even if it's accurate (it's not, the source is heavily skewing the weight of 40+ year olds) that doesn't mean that these people supported attacking Ukraine because they think that the USA and NATO are being aggressive towards them.
This section of your source is more relevant for that:
"At the same time, 3% of respondents are sure that the current tension in the east of Ukraine could escalate into a war between Ukraine and Russia. Another 36% consider this scenario to be “quite likely”. Almost the same number (38%) consider a war between the two countries "unlikely", and another 15% completely rule out such a possibility.
There is practically no difference in the assessments of the situation between respondents of different socio-demographic groups."
That 3% and 36% are going to be the demographics that are either looking for a war or who aren't actively against the thought of one. And of the 36%, at least half are likely to not be in favor of it and instead are just afraid it's coming whether they want it or not.
The 38% and 15% are the ones most likely to protest and refuse a draft for a war, especially against a neighbor that they don't see as the aggressors. They probably don't think the war is likely because they aren't convinced there are reasons to justify it. If they thought there were legitimate grievances, they would be in the "Likely or certain" groups.
Notice how much more sizable that group is than the warhawks. So your own source is hinting that the offensive war with threadbare justification, at best, is not popular among the Russian people. Which... is obvious to anyone who has talked to any human beings in Russia since this started.
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Kipshasz
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posted February 28, 2022 05:46 PM |
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Kayna said:
So you're against Russia taking Ukraine but in favor of China taking Taiwan? What do you base yourself upon to reach these two different opinions?
Because it would be hilarious to see the free world try to do something about it, and also, there's no threat of savages detonatic nuclear reactors out of desperation.
If the imbeciles of any side pop chernobyl or any other of Slavmalian NPPs europe will trully have something to cry about.
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"Ashan to the Trashcan", "I got PTSD from H7. " - LizardWarrior
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purerogue
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posted February 28, 2022 05:57 PM |
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It's dishonorable because he's still alive. Like was he bounded in a padded cell with his mouth taped shut, forced fed oxygen?
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Kayna
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posted February 28, 2022 06:01 PM |
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Well, that's an opinion based on your personal pleasure more than the quality of life of the people there. I mean I say silly things like that sometimes, but I'm trolling when I do so.
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Salamandre
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posted February 28, 2022 06:17 PM |
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gnomes2169 said:
And Sal, look at the date on your source.
My source was the closest to today. Now let me ask, what were the sources for your claims, that:
1) Russians don't back Putin
2) China started sanction against Russia
And that counts for Orzie too, supporting war and designing a culprit for actual conflict are two different things. Of course a majority of Russians are against a war, but also a majority of them understand from where this is coming.
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Ghost
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Therefore I am
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posted February 28, 2022 06:22 PM |
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Aha all stars in Nine Lakes (Allies).. 
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Corribus
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The Abyss Staring Back at You
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posted February 28, 2022 06:37 PM |
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Moved to OSM. Please continue ue to keep it civil. And in one thread.
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husham123
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Yes
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posted February 28, 2022 06:42 PM |
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Salamandre said:
Now let me ask, what were the sources for your claims, that:
1) Russians don't back Putin
Did you not see all the "Nyet voine" protests happening across Russia ? Of course they don't get shown on the Russian news, and many protesters were arrested, but there are hundreds of thousands of people who oppose this war. If the public (or a very, VERY large portion of the public) don't back the war, and Putin backs the war, then the logical conclusion is that the public doesn't back Putin.
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JoonasTo
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What if Elvin was female?
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posted February 28, 2022 07:24 PM |
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Well colour me surprised.
EU is actually going to buy arms for Ukraine.
And as soon as it’s decided
Hungary denies transit for it.
Because of course they do. Not that it matters yet as Polish, Slovak and Romanian borders are still open.
The last time a country denied transit of arms through their territory to a country invaded by Russia was 1939. The country under attack being the Republic of Finland and the one denying the arms a certain reich.
That aside, Sweden alone is sending 5000 anti-tank launchers, Finland 1500, France, Germany, Netherlands and the others on top and we are looking at ~10k. Assume the basic 6:1 ratio required for a kill and that’s enough to take out ~1600 armoured vehicles. That’s enough to annihilate eight russian tank divisions. Considering the russians have roughly 20 divisions in this whole ordeal, if the Ukrainians actually get to shoot all those, there’s no chance for a russian victory without mobilisation. They must know that too. So they are going to need to look at options to deny that, like massive bombardment(mass defections like 2014 look unlikely) or alternative operations and strategy. Bombardment is bad because dead civilians look bad for PR back home, operations would mean the head of the operation would have to resign/disappear and strategy would mean putin himself was wrong to start this whole mess. So expecting to see a ramp up in the devastation with indirect fire and an empty seat or too soon on the russian side.
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AlexSpl
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posted February 28, 2022 07:51 PM |
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Did you not see all the "Nyet voine" protests happening across Russia ?
Did you see transparants "Freedom for North Korea"? The same here. People are dreadfully afraid. And they are afraid of their own citizens from special forces not so clever or poor enough to go and sell their ethic and entire nation prosperity for money. You can't fight those guys with your naked hands. But they can with their "police" devices. If this is not enough, you can catch a bullet and forget for whole eternity ahead that you've ever existed.
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AlexSpl
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posted February 28, 2022 08:09 PM |
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Edited by AlexSpl at 20:10, 28 Feb 2022.
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We need a "hub" country which would be able to police others, not being interested in anything except Truth, Liberty and Freedom. The idea of a god is so old and so viable. Alas, unless we meet an extraterrestrial civilization, we'll bound to suffer from our human design 
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CountBezuhoff
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Nihil sub sole novum
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posted February 28, 2022 08:35 PM |
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Kipshasz
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posted February 28, 2022 08:36 PM |
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AlexSpl said:
We need a "hub" country which would be able to police others, not being interested in anything except Truth, Liberty and Freedom. The idea of a god is so old and so viable. Alas, unless we meet an extraterrestrial civilization, we'll bound to suffer from our human design
Did Phe shared his drug stash with you?
Fully restoring Eastern European monarchies is more plausible than this.
Humanity's path to the stars is burnt now. yeah James Webb Telescope is a cool piece of tech, but we're capable of more, sadly all the energy is devoted to figuring out crap like slavs killing eachother over BS, and how many genders are there.
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gatecrasher
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posted February 28, 2022 08:42 PM |
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Putin is starting to get tangled up.
In the past his actions aimed at breeding discord inside the EU and between the US and the EU. Now he sees them close ranks.
Macron told that amongst other things Putin demanded recognition of Crimea as part of Russia for somewhat stopping the war. He could've demanded that without invading Ukraine.
A Russian delegation negotiated with those "drug-addicted Nazis". So he is willing to get negotiated out of the "denazification" and out of stopping the "anti-Russian genocide"?
Collateral damages seem to be vast. Be it on purpose or due to poor weapon systems.
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Ghost
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Therefore I am
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posted February 28, 2022 09:07 PM |
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I don't understand Nazi thing.. Because you can think a). West publishes sanctions, etc and then go to war against East, b). Sanctions after they go to war against East. Ok.. the same result! Tomorrow UN day, we can see what is happening.. The Bible said King of the North is very different in the history, so you think economic, techinque, etc against King of the North.. No more word about the Bible.. Yeah UFO in the Ezekiel.. but now perception isn't.. Remember West started all things.. and Russian answer attacked to Ukraine.. Third we are waiting for UN.. Only tomorrow 
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AlexSpl
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posted February 28, 2022 09:15 PM |
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Edited by AlexSpl at 21:21, 28 Feb 2022.
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2Kipshasz: The idea to eliminate fear and fully enjoy your inALIENable rights. Every problem can be solved by brute force, and it had been happening from ancient times. But, somehow we did it into the first civilization. People didn't know who they were or why they were here, so they introduced philosophy and religion. But both disciplines require education. Brilliant ideas of the past might never find a room in the head of a commoner, moreover, they might never visit the head of those who inspire the whole country. Amen.
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gatecrasher
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posted February 28, 2022 09:23 PM |
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AlexSpl said:
We need a "hub" country which would be able to police others, not being interested in anything except Truth, Liberty and Freedom. The idea of a god is so old and so viable. Alas, unless we meet an extraterrestrial civilization, we'll bound to suffer from our human design
That was how the League of Nations (now UN) was envisaged after WW1.
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