Aron said:

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An idea for multiplayer would be to let everyone start with 3 heroes and disable taverns everywhere.

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Aron said:

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People playing the game the way it really wasn't intended.

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angelito said:

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That's what the "native style" was founded for in mulitplayer.

You are only allowed to use/buy heroes who belong to your town fraction.

Means, first week 2 heroes (95% of the time there are NOT 2 heroes of the same faction in the tavern),. and then 1 additonal hero every week.

Heroes out of prisons had to be dismissed at the end of that turn.

Makes the turns faster, but the game longer

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You never ever go for money buildings (especially capitol!) in random maps...Even townhall is questionable in most maps.

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idontcare said:

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hi szillisi (um, WHAT? xd )

do you play like that with impossible?

i prefer hard since the AI does not improve. Impossible only has the resource handicap, which is important but not to my liking. i prefer having 7 cpu players allied against me to make it more difficult, even on a very small map.

also which monsterstack u avoid, even when there is a "musthave" artifact, like gloves or boots of speed

for me any 'must have' artifact has a specific date i need to acquire. my 1st priority is to open all possible passages to exploration reasonably far so i can have a list of what i have available to attack to prioritize my gains. a 'must have' artifact can easily become secondary from another 'must have' artifact several tiles away. after all most artifacts are 'must have' unless duplicate. for thant at day one for example, a +4 knowledge crown is more important than vampire's cowl. and even more important than the crown is a stack of crystals and gems, to reach 10 each, to build upg. estate for vampire lords.

i had a random map, where "lots of manticores" guarded a vampires coal, which weak i could tackle such guys?

lots means 20-49. if it was just the estate guarding which is considered just a 4 level dwelling, there should be very close to 20. if there was also something else like a Pandora box or a guarded passage as well, there could be more. you need vampire lords definitely. AI does not realize vampire lords specialties so it splits to all 7 positions. That is, 3 manticores per stack. top stacks may have four. Even if all are four, that is, 4*7=28 manticores, you can still do it at week 2 day 1. You have 12 vampires, 8 from week 2 generation and 4 when you build the estate. 4 manticores kill 2-3 vampires, the rest 9-10 can resurrect them. you simply place your vampire lords to the top left or right corner so only 2 stack can attack you every turn, manticores are 2-tile creatures. just fly there at your move. manticores won;t reach. round 2 wait. 2 stacks will attack. at the first you retaliate and you will be full. at the second you won;t. but since you waited, you can now attack at the end of the round, no retal. so you are full again. round 3 (and every round thereafter) you play first, you are full so wait. the same will happen again. repeat until all 7 stacks are gone. a smart thing to do is to spot which of the two stacks plays second. because the second stack attacks you without retaliation. for same creature stacks, the one starting lower on the grid plays later. if you spot it, do not attack if you kill it, leave it with 1 or 2 manticores. attack the other stack, the faster. that way, you do not only have just 2 out of 7 stacks hitting you, but one of them is also weakened at 1-2 manticores and only the other get fresh full stacks replacement. this last one is optional but comes essential when the stack of enemies is more challenging for your stack of vampire lords and can give you victory even when you are handicapped. you can nver be fully sure about been 22 manticores or 42 (6 per stack). personally i would attack at week 2. even if been 6 per stack you and you loose 3-4 (the rest 8-9 cannot ressurect but about 2 and half vampires) you definatetly need to criple the slower stack to 1-2 manticores , so you fight 1 stack of 6 and one of 1 most of the time. you can also use any reasonable 1st level spell like shield to absorb the first 2 stack of 6 manticores shock or the raise dead spell - if you have 30 mana you have 2 raise dead if 20, you have 1 raise dead and one 5 point spell - a shield is ideal.

also, does it make sense to switch to another guy, like isra or the already bought galtran on the end, or is thant your endhero?
Thant is my endhero although i have won pvp games with galthran or vokial as well. isra or vidomina do not have specialty that will help AT the critical battle, but prepare until then. Thant, Galthran and Vokial have specialties that will help AND AT the critical battle decisively, so i prefer one of them, Thant by default since i start with. In all cases, the human enemy player needs to get rid of your vampire lords, if he does not do that at the first stages of the battle, things will most likely turn to his doom.

Thant has the advantage of extra raise which is almost unbalanced but he loose spell flexibility. a usual scenario (since berserk or even blind won;t work on undead) is damage-raise, damage-raise and so on. So you practically counter an impolsion. If you have anti-magic and/or counterstrike then things become very difficult for your opponent to gang VL. And of course while your opponent spents one or more rounds to lower your vamprire stack to an 'manageable' level, the rest of your army, even skeleton warriors, are safe from attack and can also gang. Here is one of thant greatest advantages. Even if your opponent spent for example one or two or even three rounds to weaken your vampires lords before turn to the rest of your army, Thant will ressurect more VL than other heroes if you choose to, and the next turn again, forcing your opponent to recalculate if the remaining VL stack is still safe for him.

Vokial increases VL attack and defense passively. This means that, if high enough, VL will actually be 5th level creatures from attack and defense view. IT is also passive, allowing Vokial to cast whatever is needed. He is also death-night, meaning, statistically, some attack and defense more from standard hero attack and defense. Additionally, some combat skills like armorer will be present. So at the and, Vokial's VL recieve less damage and deal more damage than Thant's VLs. And Vokial may also cast animate dead. Again, spells like counter magic or counterstrike at his possession will make things difficult for the enemy player. The enemy player needs to plan thoroughly to dispatch Vokial's VL.

Galthran is a lovely choice. Surprisingly good. To make a long story short, your experience with Galthran at a critical battle will be to maybe loose some or most of VLs, but win the battle. AI is better unedifying the threat of a stack, but a human player may ignore skeleton warriors. Which they gonna also be much more than a casual 1st level creature in an army. Simply put, while the enemy works on your vampire lords, your skeleton warriors will seriously damage the enemy army.

Tamika is sexy too with her deathknights, do you think shes playable with a bunch of dknights+maybe liches?

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Salamandre said:

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I miss this thread high standards. Formerly started by a great multiplayer champion, down to noobs joining HC then and now while writing thousand words about how they defeat the computer. szilellis, Thant at level 1 is 100% animate dead in your book? Do you know how animate and resurrect work?

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szilellis said:

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From all towns and all creature-specialty heroes those with specialty on level 6 are the ones who can make a difference at end game and higher levels. Even if the enemy player knows your hero specialty, he still needs to decide if he deals with death nights or vampire lords first.

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Salamandre said:

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Aron said:

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An idea for multiplayer would be to let everyone start with 3 heroes and disable taverns everywhere.

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Aron said:

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People playing the game the way it really wasn't intended.

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You see the irony here: you would play with a weird rule (no tavern, joking?), while bashing on others for not playing as it was "intended". What you know about what was intended?

Rules are initiated by those who are helpless in front of better player. Like the guy who can't run as fast as another, therefore he asks they both run with one leg attached. That's all about...

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angelito said:

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Please do not follow the majority of szilellis advices if you want to bring out the best of the necromancer folks.

Just for an example:
If you play necro, you try to get expert necro with ALL your necro heroes as soon as possible. You chain your troops and fight with all of them every day. Collectors are NON necro heroes!

You fight vs stronger monsters but those which come in little amounts at the beginning to LEVEL UP fast, THEN (with expert necro and amplifier) you fight the low level troops who come in bigger amounts to get out the most possible skeletons! (imp cache!!)

You never ever go for money buildings (especially capitol!) in random maps...Even townhall is questionable in most maps.

And chosing DIPLO with necro is like Klitschko having a third fist

...boring

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Xarfax111 said:

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szilellis said:

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From all towns and all creature-specialty heroes those with specialty on level 6 are the ones who can make a difference at end game and higher levels. Even if the enemy player knows your hero specialty, he still needs to decide if he deals with death nights or vampire lords first.

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Hi szilellis,

can you please stop posting in this thread? It almost makes my eyes bleed.

Actually a level-6-creature specialists do almost NOTHING for this creatures, because the additional percentage attack/defence he should give to this creatures is divided by 6.

And "vampire lords or death nights" are NOT the enemys thread in an necro endfight.

Please get some knowledge first before you give the expert here in this forum. Your "playing instructions" in the thread before just makes the peeps laugh hard.

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